Rev 9 is where Lennon's head was at. It's an interesting, well-constructed collage. Ditch it for Jude? - no way.
If you're going to ditch anything for Jude, try Martha My Dear & Rocky Raccoon - for me, those two songs are a bit of a waste of space. Imagine if they had not surfaced officially, and turned up only on boots! We'd all be saying, "good decision boys, not to release THOSE songs"!
Martha My Dear and Rocky Raccoon were excellent songs. I think a western song about a man trying to get his girl back, and a catchy one at that, wastes no space. Martha My Dear had a much different sound to it, sported great vocals by Paul, and was a cute love song to his dog. Definitely not.
However, Long Long Long and Wild Honey Pie would be perfect to throw away, since one is a bit too quiet and drags a bit, and the other is a bit weird with no point on being on an album. Rev. 9 is a sound collage, and I'd rather listen to music on an album than a sound collage, to ditching it for Hey Jude would be fine by me since Hey Jude is such a fantastic song to begin with, and if I were to have one or the other, I'd easily go with Hey Jude.
I mean, I see your interest in Rev. 9, and I was pretty interested in it the first time around, but the only other good thing it was for after that was playing it backwards to here, "Turn me on dead man."
OK: Rocky's story line is a total cliche. Nice tune though. But the story makes it a bit of a bore, frankly.
And Martha My Dear is almost certainly NOT about Paul's wretched sheep dog. I have always thought it felt more like it was addressed to Jane Asher (a common interpretation when the WA came out). I feel that Paul may have used the name of Martha (a female dog's name) to say that Jane was a "b i tc h". In any case, the song is to me a weakie.
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OK: Rocky's story line is a total cliche. Nice tune though. But the story makes it a bit of a bore, frankly.
And Martha My Dear is almost certainly NOT about Paul's wretched sheep dog. I have always thought it felt more like it was addressed to Jane Asher (a common interpretation when the WA came out). I feel that Paul may have used the name of Martha (a female dog's name) to say that Jane was a "b i tc h". In any case, the song is to me a weakie.
Post edited as b i t c h was censored to b****. I inserted spaces to fool the censor.
Well, we can assume all we want about Martha My Dear, and that's clever of you to point that out (and I don't mean that sarcastically -- that's quite an interpretation ), but until Paul changes his mind, I would say it's about his dog. And I can't really debate this one way or the other any further.
As far as Rocky Raccoon goes, I like the Country-Western twist to it, about how he fights in a showdown, gets shot, and then comes back to try again. I don't find many songs like that in the Beatles catalogue anyway, so it's a very welcome addition.
Put it like this: there are many grand and moving love songs, but only one Revolution 9. I can afford to lose Jude.
I'll take Revolution 9, ta very much.
It isn't "love," per se -- it's to Julian saying that everything will be alright in the long-run. I haven't encountered many songs with such an incredible, anthemic coda such as Hey Jude, especially not in the Beatles' catalogue, especially in regards to how it can unite an entire crowd so well. And remember, you won't find many Wild Honey Pies either -- doesn't mean it's good.
Sorry Frightwolf, I seem to be naysaying you all the time!
But Hey Jude is NOT sung to Julian. It started off as Hey Julian, hey Jules as we all know, as Paul tootled along in his car to visit Cyn & Jules, but the song advanced a LONG way from there.
How can it not be a classic love song? Go out and get her, etc etc. Read the lyrics. Sure it's a love song: one of the great ones too.
A bit more about Martha My Dear. How can it be a song sung to his dog? Listen to the lyrics: "you have always been my inspiration" "don't forget me". Put it this way: it's MUCH MORE likely to be a song to Jane Asher than to his dog!
Rocky Raccoon is underrated in my opinion. That song is unique. Who cares about cliches. I could say that about a lot of their songs. Especially the early ones. But I still love them!! Anyway, has anyone ever heard covers of Rocky? I heard Phish do it and this alternative guy whose name escapes me at the moment. They were both awesome and the audiences were way into it. It's got a lot of potential. I mean, I love it the way it is, but I think a lot of Beatles songs could be played on alternative or modern rock stations if bands did cool covers of them. Then the people who never listen to classic rock stations would discover who these true geniuses are!!! More rambling. So sorry!
Have to say i quite like Martha, the melody and arrangement are very catchy (horrible word I know, but you know what I mean). I never get too hung up on Pauls lyrics (I think he just plays with words that sound nice together), I think with his songs its best to go for the total package Rocky R I like too. Its funny in the same way as Bungalow Bill (which I like, but would drop b4 I'd drop Rocky.) Rev #9-stick it on Zapple John. It don't belong on a Beatles record.
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Sorry Frightwolf, I seem to be naysaying you all the time!
A bit more about Martha My Dear. How can it be a song sung to his dog? Listen to the lyrics: "you have always been my inspiration" "don't forget me". Put it this way: it's MUCH MORE likely to be a song to Jane Asher than to his dog!
I read that it was to his dog too. Martha was the name of his english sheep-dog. I mean you have some points Ydoll but would he say 'Hold your head up you silly girl'? about Jane? Was'nt he just splitting up with Jane around this time? Maybe the dog was the only love he was feelin at the time. Someone who was unaffected by his notoriety. Anyway, Paul is a songwriter...he takes bits from here and there and then....BINGO!
I read that it was to his dog too. Martha was the name of his english sheep-dog. I mean you have some points Ydoll but would he say 'Hold your head up you silly girl'? about Jane? Was'nt he just splitting up with Jane around this time? Maybe the dog was the only love he was feelin at the time. Someone who was unaffected by his notoriety. Anyway, Paul is a songwriter...he takes bits from here and there and then....BINGO!
and maybe he just wanted to write a song about his dog. ps I think Martha running through the Free as a Bird video is a bit of a giveaway.
Sorry Frightwolf, I seem to be naysaying you all the time!
But Hey Jude is NOT sung to Julian. It started off as Hey Julian, hey Jules as we all know, as Paul tootled along in his car to visit Cyn & Jules, but the song advanced a LONG way from there.
How can it not be a classic love song? Go out and get her, etc etc. Read the lyrics. Sure it's a love song: one of the great ones too.
A bit more about Martha My Dear. How can it be a song sung to his dog? Listen to the lyrics: "you have always been my inspiration" "don't forget me". Put it this way: it's MUCH MORE likely to be a song to Jane Asher than to his dog!
I don't mind the naysaying at all -- I haven't actually had a real debate in a while !
The fact is that with the stories from Cynthia about Paul coming to her house and comforting her and Julian, and Paul's own claim that that's what the song is about, the song would most likely be about Julian. Remember, it is more of a mouthful to sing Jules than Jude -- and they only sing it a jillion times in the coda. And I agree that it is a love song -- a love song to Julian! Help! has been thought of as being a love song as well, to people who had no idea what the history of it was. I strongly believe it was one of Paul's altruistic songs to Julian, and let's also remember that he played it to John to see what he thought of it -- it's best to get feedback from the father
Martha My Dear: It works both ways. Martha was the same of his dog. "Hold your hand out you silly girl." "Hold your head up you silly girl." are also phrases you could easily say to your pet dog. And Martha was obviously an inspiration to the song . And remember how short dogs' lives are -- obviously Martha would be dead eventually, sooner rather than later. Don't forget me! .
"Help" was written about/and as a thank you, to Pete Shotton, his childhood friend that would hang out with him at Weybridge when the Beatles had a minute or two to spend at home, and gave John a sense of normalcy in his life.
I haven't read that before. This is one of the things I've read on Help!:
John said that this was one of his favourite songs because "it was real. The song was about me." He later called it his "fat Elvis period" because he'd put on a lot of weight and had been drinking heavily, and he was going through a rough patch with his missus. He was also becoming bored of suburban living (he described his house as "beng like a busy stop, you wait until something comes along.") So when Richard Lester annoounced that [i]Help! would be the title of their next movie, it gave him just the excuse that he needed to vent his spleen."
Just been reading about G Martin saying the Penny Lane/SFFE single being the biggest mistake of his career.
I think George Martin meant that it was not a good idea to put two great songs on a single and release it as a double a-side. Afterwards he realised he'd rather have whether SFF or Penny Lane as the a-side and When I'm 64 on the back. That would also have meant When I'm 64 should not have been on Sgt Pepper. It's true that the single did not reach the #1-position, whereas it contains two of the best things The Beatles ever recorded.
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), but until Paul changes his mind, I would say it's about his dog. And I can't really debate this one way or the other any further.
. And remember how short dogs' lives are -- obviously Martha would be dead eventually, sooner rather than later. Don't forget me! 