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Just been reading about G Martin saying the Penny Lane/SFFE single being the biggest mistake of his career.
So, what if it hadn't been released as a single and they were on Sgt Pepper. Where would you put them, and what would you drop?
I would love to drop Within you Without You, but the album has to have a George song, so no. But I'd drop Good Morning and put Penny Lane as the opener for side two, to give it a more upbeat start.
Drop Fixing a Hole and slot SFFE on side 1 between She's Leaving Home and Mr Kite?
Any thoughts?
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made a tape years ago
side1
splhcb
with a little help..
lucy
getting better
strawberry
she's leaving home
mr. kite
side 2
within you..
penny lane
lovely rita
good morning
splhcb (reprise)
a day in the life
also made a CD
splhcb
with a little help..
lucy
getting better
fixing a hole
strawberry
she's leaving home
mr. kite
within you..
when i'm 64
penny lane
lovely rita
i am the walrus
good morning
splhcb (reprise)
a day in the life |
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made a tape years ago
side1
splhcb
with a little help..
lucy
getting better
strawberry
she's leaving home
mr. kite
side 2
within you..
penny lane
lovely rita
good morning
splhcb (reprise)
a day in the life
Wow! Almost the same, except we've inverted Penny lane/Within You... What about when I'm 64? Your a brave man to drop it. |
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Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
With A Little Help From My Friends
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
Getting Better
Strawberry Fields Forever
Fixing A Hole
She's Leaving Home
Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite
Penny Lane
Within You Without You
When I'm 64
Lovely Rita
Good Morning, Good Morning
Sgt. Pepper (Reprise)
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^ Too many tracks dude. Somethings gotta go. |
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^ Too many tracks dude. Somethings gotta go.
The reason I dropped nothing is because nothing really needs to be dropped, not to mention Abbey Road had more tracks than that. The Reprise also leads into A Day In The Life, ditto for the first two tracks, so you basically have 14 right there with the single. |
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^I can't be bothered adding the times up, but would they physically fit. And would they have wanted so many tracks? |
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Frightwolf, I think the point is that you have too much to fit on a vinyl album. |
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Frightwolf, I think the point is that you have too much to fit on a vinyl album.
I gotcha now. I was thinking in terms of the CD, and in that case, that would be it. *goes back to drawing board to figure out how to fit this on a vinyl* |
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Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band With A Little Help From My Friends Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds Getting Better Fixing A Hole She's Leaving Home Penny Lane Lovely Rita Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite When I'm 64 Strawberry Fields Forever Sgt. Pepper (Reprise) A Day In The Life k, I would probably remove WYWY and Good Morning Good Morning, Penny Lane closes Side A, and make Lovely Rita the opener to Side B. Better  |
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k, I would probably remove WYWY and Good Morning Good Morning, Penny Lane closes Side A, and make Lovely Rita the opener to Side B. Better
Who's gonna tell George "sorry mate, no song of yours on this album"? I would drop it to, but i don't think politics would allow it. Don't want Mr Harrison walking out Totally with you on Good Morning. |
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I'd go with a DOUBLE LP, an idea they toyed with originally. Here are the tracks to go on the album.
All the tracks on the issued album, PLUS ...
Only A Northern Song (was to go on the album, until George surfaced with Within You)
SFF
Penny Lane
All Together Now
It's All Too Much
Baby You're A Rich Man
You Know My Name (imo, this fits right into the Pepper groove)
If you use the full eight-minute version of Too Much, and a full length You Know My Name, this is another album's worth of material. All songs were recorded first during Pepper sessions, or straight after.
Just think what a mind-blower of an album THAT would be. Choose your own running order. |
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Who's gonna tell George "sorry mate, no song of yours on this album"? I would drop it to, but i don't think politics would allow it. Don't want Mr Harrison walking out Totally with you on Good Morning.
Good point, but we're asking where I would put them  . And we let George not have a song on his Rooftop Gig, so he'll forgive us... hopefully  |
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. Choose your own running order.
I wish you'd had a go. I'd like to see what you come up with. anyone got any thoughts on putting Rain/Paperback Writer on Revolver? Normal rules, at least one George and 1 Ringo song, fair mix of John and Paul. Sorry if I'm going on, but I love this kind of sh*t. (and I don't think we've done the single White Album properly either  |
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I wish you'd had a go. I'd like to see what you come up with.
OK, here we go: DISK ONE Side 1 As commercial version Side 2 Baby You're A Rich Man You Know My Name All Together Now Only A Northern Song DISK TWO Side 3 SFF Penny Lane It's All Too Much Side 4 As commercial version I know Sides 2 and 3 only total about 30 minutes, but there's some pretty heavy listening there. This double strikes me as being MUCH MORE psychedelic than the single Pepper album! Time to burn it - it would fit on one CD! |
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^Phew. It's a lot to take in. Side 3 does look a bit thin, but your right, the ears will know better than the eyes. |
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Oh, that's easy. I'd get rid of Good Day Sunshine and Love You To. Taxman Eleanor Rigby I'm Only Sleeping Here There and Everywhere She Said She Said Yellow Submarine Rain And Your Bird Can Sing For No One Doctor Robert Paperback Writer I Want To Tell You Got To Get You Into My Life Tomorrow Never Knows I'd make Rain close off, but really, SSSS wouldn't be a bad way to close off Side 1 itself =P. I'd put PW between Doctor robert and I Want To Tell You, so we cycle John/Paul/John/Paul/George/Paul/John, and it varies. And Your Bird Can Sing is a better opener to side 2 than Good Day Sunshine anyway. How's that? |
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Get rid of nothing. P Writer and Rain would still fit on a vinyl album, with all 14 original Revolver songs. |
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Hey kev - how about a separate thread for a Revolver remake? Could get pretty confusing ... |
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Oh, that's easy. I'd get rid of Good Day Sunshine and Love You To. Taxman Eleanor Rigby I'm Only Sleeping Here There and Everywhere She Said She Said Yellow Submarine Rain And Your Bird Can Sing For No One Doctor Robert Paperback Writer I Want To Tell You Got To Get You Into My Life Tomorrow Never Knows I'd make Rain close off, but really, SSSS wouldn't be a bad way to close off Side 1 itself =P. I'd put PW between Doctor robert and I Want To Tell You, so we cycle John/Paul/John/Paul/George/Paul/John, and it varies. And Your Bird Can Sing is a better opener to side 2 than Good Day Sunshine anyway. How's that?
Near perfect I'd say. And putting Yellow Submarine btwn SSSS and Rain will put Yellow Sub nicely into context and really make Rain stand out. |
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Get rid of nothing. P Writer and Rain would still fit on a vinyl album, with all 14 original Revolver songs.
Still, a 16 track album? This ain't 1963 you know. |
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Hey kev - how about a separate thread for a Revolver remake? Could get pretty confusing ...
i did, and only Apple-Beatle replied.  |
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Oldies But Goldies had sixteen. The point always is, have you got the space on the record? And - for Beatles - can we fill it with quality?
Revolver + PW + Rain would be pretty strong ... |
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i did, and only Apple-Beatle replied.
I missed it! |
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Get rid of nothing. P Writer and Rain would still fit on a vinyl album, with all 14 original Revolver songs.
Good point -- Revolver lasted little over a half an hour. |
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Good point -- Revolver lasted little over a half an hour.
wow, I did not know that. OK then. |
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Revolver + PW + Rain would be pretty strong ...
...and Sgt. Pepper with PL/SFF/I Am The Walrus would have been..  ..BEATLES beyond infinity! |
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Agreed. And The White Album with no Rev#9 and closing with Hey Jude! |
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Sorry, absolutely not. Walrus is NOT a Pepper-era song. |
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Agreed. And The White Album with no Rev#9 and closing with Hey Jude!
Rev 9 is where Lennon's head was at. It's an interesting, well-constructed collage. Ditch it for Jude? - no way. If you're going to ditch anything for Jude, try Martha My Dear & Rocky Raccoon - for me, those two songs are a bit of a waste of space. Imagine if they had not surfaced officially, and turned up only on boots! We'd all be saying, "good decision boys, not to release THOSE songs"! |
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Rev 9 is where Lennon's head was at. It's an interesting, well-constructed collage. Ditch it for Jude? - no way.
If you're going to ditch anything for Jude, try Martha My Dear & Rocky Raccoon - for me, those two songs are a bit of a waste of space. Imagine if they had not surfaced officially, and turned up only on boots! We'd all be saying, "good decision boys, not to release THOSE songs"!
Martha My Dear and Rocky Raccoon were excellent songs. I think a western song about a man trying to get his girl back, and a catchy one at that, wastes no space. Martha My Dear had a much different sound to it, sported great vocals by Paul, and was a cute love song to his dog. Definitely not. However, Long Long Long and Wild Honey Pie would be perfect to throw away, since one is a bit too quiet and drags a bit, and the other is a bit weird with no point on being on an album. Rev. 9 is a sound collage, and I'd rather listen to music on an album than a sound collage, to ditching it for Hey Jude would be fine by me since Hey Jude is such a fantastic song to begin with, and if I were to have one or the other, I'd easily go with Hey Jude. I mean, I see your interest in Rev. 9, and I was pretty interested in it the first time around, but the only other good thing it was for after that was playing it backwards to here, "Turn me on dead man." |
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OK: Rocky's story line is a total cliche. Nice tune though. But the story makes it a bit of a bore, frankly.
And Martha My Dear is almost certainly NOT about Paul's wretched sheep dog. I have always thought it felt more like it was addressed to Jane Asher (a common interpretation when the WA came out). I feel that Paul may have used the name of Martha (a female dog's name) to say that Jane was a "b i tc h". In any case, the song is to me a weakie.
Post edited as b i t c h was censored to b****. I inserted spaces to fool the censor. |
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Hey Jude, or Revolution 9?
Put it like this: there are many grand and moving love songs, but only one Revolution 9. I can afford to lose Jude.
I'll take Revolution 9, ta very much. |
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OK: Rocky's story line is a total cliche. Nice tune though. But the story makes it a bit of a bore, frankly.
And Martha My Dear is almost certainly NOT about Paul's wretched sheep dog. I have always thought it felt more like it was addressed to Jane Asher (a common interpretation when the WA came out). I feel that Paul may have used the name of Martha (a female dog's name) to say that Jane was a "b i tc h". In any case, the song is to me a weakie.
Post edited as b i t c h was censored to b****. I inserted spaces to fool the censor.
Well, we can assume all we want about Martha My Dear, and that's clever of you to point that out (and I don't mean that sarcastically -- that's quite an interpretation ), but until Paul changes his mind, I would say it's about his dog. And I can't really debate this one way or the other any further. As far as Rocky Raccoon goes, I like the Country-Western twist to it, about how he fights in a showdown, gets shot, and then comes back to try again. I don't find many songs like that in the Beatles catalogue anyway, so it's a very welcome addition. |
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Hey Jude, or Revolution 9?
Put it like this: there are many grand and moving love songs, but only one Revolution 9. I can afford to lose Jude.
I'll take Revolution 9, ta very much.
It isn't "love," per se -- it's to Julian saying that everything will be alright in the long-run. I haven't encountered many songs with such an incredible, anthemic coda such as Hey Jude, especially not in the Beatles' catalogue, especially in regards to how it can unite an entire crowd so well. And remember, you won't find many Wild Honey Pies either -- doesn't mean it's good. |
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Sorry Frightwolf, I seem to be naysaying you all the time!
But Hey Jude is NOT sung to Julian. It started off as Hey Julian, hey Jules as we all know, as Paul tootled along in his car to visit Cyn & Jules, but the song advanced a LONG way from there.
How can it not be a classic love song? Go out and get her, etc etc. Read the lyrics. Sure it's a love song: one of the great ones too.
A bit more about Martha My Dear. How can it be a song sung to his dog? Listen to the lyrics: "you have always been my inspiration" "don't forget me". Put it this way: it's MUCH MORE likely to be a song to Jane Asher than to his dog! |
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Rocky Raccoon is underrated in my opinion. That song is unique. Who cares about cliches. I could say that about a lot of their songs. Especially the early ones. But I still love them!! Anyway, has anyone ever heard covers of Rocky? I heard Phish do it and this alternative guy whose name escapes me at the moment. They were both awesome and the audiences were way into it. It's got a lot of potential. I mean, I love it the way it is, but I think a lot of Beatles songs could be played on alternative or modern rock stations if bands did cool covers of them. Then the people who never listen to classic rock stations would discover who these true geniuses are!!! More rambling. So sorry! |
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Have to say i quite like Martha, the melody and arrangement are very catchy (horrible word I know, but you know what I mean). I never get too hung up on Pauls lyrics (I think he just plays with words that sound nice together), I think with his songs its best to go for the total package
Rocky R I like too. Its funny in the same way as Bungalow Bill (which I like, but would drop b4 I'd drop Rocky.)
Rev #9-stick it on Zapple John. It don't belong on a Beatles record. |
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Sorry Frightwolf, I seem to be naysaying you all the time!
A bit more about Martha My Dear. How can it be a song sung to his dog? Listen to the lyrics: "you have always been my inspiration" "don't forget me". Put it this way: it's MUCH MORE likely to be a song to Jane Asher than to his dog!
I read that it was to his dog too. Martha was the name of his english sheep-dog. I mean you have some points Ydoll but would he say 'Hold your head up you silly girl'? about Jane? Was'nt he just splitting up with Jane around this time? Maybe the dog was the only love he was feelin at the time. Someone who was unaffected by his notoriety. Anyway, Paul is a songwriter...he takes bits from here and there and then....BINGO! |
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I read that it was to his dog too. Martha was the name of his english sheep-dog. I mean you have some points Ydoll but would he say 'Hold your head up you silly girl'? about Jane? Was'nt he just splitting up with Jane around this time? Maybe the dog was the only love he was feelin at the time. Someone who was unaffected by his notoriety. Anyway, Paul is a songwriter...he takes bits from here and there and then....BINGO!
and maybe he just wanted to write a song about his dog. ps I think Martha running through the Free as a Bird video is a bit of a giveaway. |
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Sorry Frightwolf, I seem to be naysaying you all the time!
But Hey Jude is NOT sung to Julian. It started off as Hey Julian, hey Jules as we all know, as Paul tootled along in his car to visit Cyn & Jules, but the song advanced a LONG way from there.
How can it not be a classic love song? Go out and get her, etc etc. Read the lyrics. Sure it's a love song: one of the great ones too.
A bit more about Martha My Dear. How can it be a song sung to his dog? Listen to the lyrics: "you have always been my inspir | | |
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