Quoted from Bruno

yer opinion that is....

It's ALL opinion. Surely we know that.

Quoted from Ydoll_Gwyn

And your bit about Yesterday:  Real life dialogue? Yesterday?! Maybe in your life, not in mine!

LOL! What you don't walk around talking in prose! Heh, I meant the way he's telling a simple story. All my troubles seemed so far away, I said something wrong, Why she had to go..etc. Just those sort of sentiments. Kinda like Your Song. I can see someone saying stuff like that, just not in a rhyme. But what the heck do I know really.

The sun was shining on the sea,
Shining with all his might:
He did his very best to make
The billows smooth and bright--
And this was odd, because it was
The middle of the night.


The moon was shining sulkily,
Because she thought the sun
Had got no business to be there
After the day was done--
"It's very rude of him," she said,
"To come and spoil the fun!"


The sea was wet as wet could be,
The sands were dry as dry.
You could not see a cloud, because
No cloud was in the sky:
No birds were flying overhead--
There were no birds to fly.


The Walrus and the Carpenter
Were walking close at hand;
They wept like anything to see
Such quantities of sand:
"If this were only cleared away,"
They said, "it would be grand!"


"If seven maids with seven mops
Swept it for half a year.
Do you suppose," the Walrus said,
"That they could get it clear?"
"I doubt it," said the Carpenter,
And shed a bitter tear.


"O Oysters, come and walk with us!"
The Walrus did beseech.
"A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk,
Along the briny beach:
We cannot do with more than four,
To give a hand to each."


The eldest Oyster looked at him,
But never a word he said:
The eldest Oyster winked his eye,
And shook his heavy head--
Meaning to say he did not choose
To leave the oyster-bed.


But four young Oysters hurried up,
All eager for the treat:
Their coats were brushed, their faces washed,
Their shoes were clean and neat--
And this was odd, because, you know,
They hadn't any feet.


Four other Oysters followed them,
And yet another four;
And thick and fast they came at last,
And more, and more, and more--
All hopping through the frothy waves,
And scrambling to the shore.


The Walrus and the Carpenter
Walked on a mile or so,
And then they rested on a rock
Conveniently low:
And all the little Oysters stood
And waited in a row.


"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."


"But wait a bit," the Oysters cried,
"Before we have our chat;
For some of us are out of breath,
And all of us are fat!"
"No hurry!" said the Carpenter.
They thanked him much for that.


"A loaf of bread," the Walrus said,
"Is what we chiefly need:
Pepper and vinegar besides
Are very good indeed--
Now if you're ready, Oysters dear,
We can begin to feed."


"But not on us!" the Oysters cried,
Turning a little blue.
"After such kindness, that would be
A dismal thing to do!"
"The night is fine," the Walrus said.
"Do you admire the view?


"It was so kind of you to come!
And you are very nice!"
The Carpenter said nothing but
"Cut us another slice:
I wish you were not quite so deaf--
I've had to ask you twice!"


"It seems a shame," the Walrus said,
"To play them such a trick,
After we've brought them out so far,
And made them trot so quick!"
The Carpenter said nothing but
"The butter's spread too thick!"


"I weep for you," the Walrus said:
"I deeply sympathize."
With sobs and tears he sorted out
Those of the largest size,
Holding his pocket-handkerchief
Before his streaming eyes.


"O Oysters," said the Carpenter,
"You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none--
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one.

---

you have to admit, that is a pretty sweet poem.

However, without a doubt in my mind, Yesterday will be remembered far longer than I Am the Walrus, which will be seen as a novelty of the time period.  Yesterday is timeless.  This goes for let it Be as well.   But would anyone else agree that A Day in the Life will be their most remembered?

Yes, I agree that ADITL will probably be their most remembered. Which is a good thing since it was a dual effort on their part.

Quoted from Ydoll_Gwyn

But there's nothing especially deep or interesting or creative about these tunes. YOU might personally have them as favorites, but the tunes, lyrics, are nothing more special than in thousands of other songs.

I think 'Yesterday' and 'Let It Be' are very deep, interesting, and creative both lyrically and musically. As for the songs being personal favorites, i'm so burnt out on 'Yesterday' I really cant even explain it. 'Let It Be' is also drifting that way, BUT I recognize the genius when they are played. All i'm saying is in 500 years (yes, thats a long time), if the Beatles are remembered, 'Yesterday' and 'Let It Be' will be two of the definate songs that will be associated with them.

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But Walrus, SFF (for example) are UNIQUE. Remember, the Beatles great reputation as innovators doesn't come from Let It Be, or Penny Lane, or I've Just Seen A Face.

'Penny Lane' is as UNIQUE as 'Walrus' and 'SFF' for sure. I'd challenge anybody to write a song thats compaerable to 'Penny Lane'. In regards to songs that are UNIQUE, whats the basis on this? Are we just talking about the music here and not so much the lyrics? If so, I dont see how 'Penny Lane' cant be mentioned along 'Walrus' and 'SFF'.

(Just to set the record straight, I definately prefer 'Walrus' over 'Yesterday' and 'Let It Be', but I just dont think it will hold up over time as being one of the beatles main remembered songs)

Also, if we have to choose, i'd say Paul's Beatle masterpiece is 'Eleanor Rigby'. John's genius stretched as far back as 'I'm A Loser' for me. It's not my favorite John tune, but I can see were he (the rest also) went from there. Personaly, my favorite John tune would probably be 'Dear Prudence' or 'Cry Baby Cry', but whats that worth? Nothing? As stated many times before, its all personal, but i've only been trying to look at the big picture and i've really been trying to seperate this debate from the Paul versus John stuff that comes into play no matter what.

Speaking of songs being UNIQUE, its funny that 'Lucy In The Sky' hasent been mentioned.

Lucy In The Sky! Now THERE'S a song I like! the imagery is like a beautiful dream!

One of the angles on this debate that intigues me is what some folk are claiming to be the most enduring Beatles works. Paul-penned, of course (that doesn't surprise me!). But Let It Be? Come on, there is nothing in any way special about that song that would trigger it lasting 500 years. And Yesterday - Lordy, forget it! And as for Tkitna claiming uniqueness for Penny Lane over Walrus: only my desire not to be offensive prevents me from responding. But I will say Penny Lane is a pop ditty, but Walrus is a work of art. If you can't see it, well - you can't see it!

Paul has written MUCH better stuff than this. Time is an interesting filter, often leaving the popular behind, and only allowing the worthy material through. IF (a huge IF) any of Paul-penned Beatle songs survive, it is much more likely to be sophisticated songs like For No One.

Quoted from Herecomesyoursun

you have to admit, that is a pretty sweet poem.

But context is everything. Read the discussion Alice and Tweedledum & Tweedledee have after Tweedledee has recited the poem. You'll find it in Through The Looking Glass, Chapter 4.

yeahs, i have read that.  I just felt like posting the poem cos i could copy it from an earlier post.  

As it stands right now, The Beatles are most remembered for Yesterday, and All You Need is Love.  I don't see that changing in 500 years.  If you cant see the longevity and timelesness of Yesterday, I won't stress it furthur.

Quoted from Herecomesyoursun

As it stands right now, The Beatles are most remembered for Yesterday, and All You Need is Love.  I don't see that changing in 500 years.

Hey, that's very debateable. Both statements.

alright give your opinion of what theyre currently MOST well remembered for.  I think my statement is sound

I think Yesterday an All You Need is Love will be remembered because they are simple.

Like it, sick of it, whatever--"Yesterday" will probably be the song if one had to be picked, simply because it is the most covered song in history and that will stand out 500 years from now. I, like most others, don't think its the best Beatle song, but the magnitude of it will separate it from the rest.

^Pretty much sums it up for me. Melody makes for a memorable song. Simple melody. Lyrics of course, play their part but they have to bounce off melody.

Lets not forget the issue though of whether or not we have the technology still to play and watch The Beatles in 500yrs time. As this thread seems to be overlooking that a bit. I mean could it be from memory passed down generations or whether all their works will be scrutinised on old media formats forever, as they were the first most successful recording band of all known time. That would have a bearing on this topic.