One of the angles on this debate that intigues me is what some folk are claiming to be the most enduring Beatles works. Paul-penned, of course (that doesn't surprise me!).
Why doesnt this surprise you? Should it be a John penned song for it to be worthy? Are only the true Beatle fans picking John? Whats your point? My argument is 'Yesterday' and 'Let It Be' and it wouldnt matter if Ringo, George, Pete Best, etc,,,wrote them. Its the songs, not the creators.
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But Let It Be? Come on, there is nothing in any way special about that song that would trigger it lasting 500 years.
Its almost like a gospel song to me and I feel something when I listen to it. Its done pretty well for itself so far, so I guess theres something special there.
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And Yesterday - Lordy, forget it!
The most covered Beatle song ever, but yeah,,,lets just forget it.
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And as for Tkitna claiming uniqueness for Penny Lane over Walrus: only my desire not to be offensive prevents me from responding. But I will say Penny Lane is a pop ditty, but Walrus is a work of art. If you can't see it, well - you can't see it!
Most of your responses are offensive in some way, so why stop now? Again, whats the basis on a song being UNIQUE. Do they have to be psychedelic songs like 'Walrus' and 'SFF'? I dont care if 'Penny Lane' is a pop song or not. Its still UNIQUE as in the fact that I cant see any band today or in the past 20 years being able to write something like that. I guess some people cant see it.
As for me claiming 'Penny lane' was more UNIQUE or over 'Walrus', here is my quote- 'Penny Lane' is as UNIQUE as 'Walrus' and 'SFF' for sure. I'd challenge anybody to write a song thats comparable to 'Penny Lane'. In regards to songs that are UNIQUE, whats the basis on this? Are we just talking about the music here and not so much the lyrics? If so, I dont see how 'Penny Lane' cant be mentioned along 'Walrus' and 'SFF'.
Not once did I state it was superior.
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Paul has written MUCH better stuff than this. Time is an interesting filter, often leaving the popular behind, and only allowing the worthy material through. IF (a huge IF) any of Paul-penned Beatle songs survive, it is much more likely to be sophisticated songs like For No One.
'For No One'? Granted, I love the song, but it's not even remembered now. That song will definately not make the cut. Who thinks of the Beatles and 'For No One' pops into their mind? I'm willing to wager that the number is almost nonexistent.
Sometimes people need to quit disecting things and let common sense take over. I guess we'll find out over time, but the obvious right now is pointing towards 'Yesterday' for sure.
I think one of the problems here is that people don't appreciate how much fashions, language and culture will have changed in 500 years. None of us actually KNOW the answer to the question we're discussing. But here's some thoughts (mostly reiterated):
(1) I don't think any actual Beatle music will be played (providing it survived). If a song or two is still around, it will be listened to by very few. Maybe some will play the songs and "record" them - as a minority pleasure. (But who knows what "record" will mean in 2505?) It'll be like those groups who play medieval tunes on original instruments. They are great, but what a minority!
(2) Every age has its "popular songs". But each age writes its own - it has no need for the love songs of yesterday. Tell me a hugely popular love song from the 1990s - easy; everyone knows many. But it gets harder as you go back. 1940s? 1920s? 1880s? Do you see what I mean. That's why Yesterday, Let It Be and their ilk will not survive.
(3) The Beatles will be mentioned and written about in any history of post-WW2 western culture. As part of this, their ground-breaking creativity is going to be of interest. My view is Lennon is the original mind in the group. Out of that mind came Walrus, SFF etc. That's where they rose above their peers musically. No other group has the equivalent of Walrus and SFF, but plenty have their Yesterdays. So if anyone's interested in the group 500 years down the track, it's not going to be what so many can do (Yesterday, Let It Be) - it's going to be what they did that NO-ONE else could do!
In other words, in 500 years it won't be a popularity thing.
Seriously?? Cuz I can name TONS of songs from way back. Mainly because if you listen, they're played. In movies, commercials, radio stations, etc. They are also taught in school. And I think the fact that we can record now makes this music last longer. If they had records or cd's back then, who knows.
I'm sure you've heard of at least SOME of these. And most of them are not in the least bit complex.
1800's Kum Ba Yah Waltzing Matilda (aussie!) When the Saints Go Marching In Carry Me Back to Old Virginny Cielito Lindo Follow the Drinking Gourd Dixie Greensleeves Hava Nagila I've Been Working on the Railroad
1900-1920 Anchors Away The Band Played On A Bicycle Built For Two By the Light of the Silvery Moon Danny Boy Fascination For Me and My Gal Give my Regards to Broadway I Love You Truly In the Good Ole Summertime Let Me Call You Sweetheart Meet Me In St. Louis Moonlight Bay On Top of Old Smokey Rock-A-Bye Your Baby East Side West Side Take Me Out to the Ball Game That's An Irish Lullaby When the Saints Go Marching In
They do all the time! A nice tune with soppy words. The world's full of them.
And how many of those tunes have had the same impact as Yesterday? Apparently it's not the same. Yesterday stands out for some reason which you cannot seem to grasp! You can't compare it to any sappy song. It's gone beyond that. Honesty, you don't see that?
Seriously?? Cuz I can name TONS of songs from way back. Mainly because if you listen, they're played. In movies, commercials, radio stations, etc. They are also taught in school. And I think the fact that we can record now makes this music last longer. If they had records or cd's back then, who knows.
I'm sure you've heard of at least SOME of these. And most of them are not in the least bit complex.
And how many of those tunes have had the same impact as Yesterday? Apparently it's not the same. Yesterday stands out for some reason which you cannot seem to grasp! You can't compare it to any sappy song. It's gone beyond that. Honesty, you don't see that?
Yesterday is pure schmaltz. THAT'S why it's been recorded so many times. It's easy to sing, the tune is simple, people will buy it. Sweet, shallow sentimentality.
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^Whatever you think Ydoll...The thing here is to think about art as a form to be remembered. 500 yrs later we can appreciate the works of Da Vinci and Michealangelo...then, sculpture and paintings was how to preserve the sentiments/emotions of the day. In this last century we have had tape/Vinyl/Photography/Film/CD etc.
I feel that throws debate about whether or not Beatle tunes will be played/remembered. History (Apart from propagands) is also basd upon facts. The facts suggest that Yesterday will be the most remembered for it's sheer Universally accepted sentiments. Most covered, radio plays etc. We probably won't even have electricity or even be around. lol. I think Yesterday can become a drag for Long time Beatle appreciators, as it is played so much. It's still a remarkable melody.
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You don't have to be Paul's butt boy or girl to criticize him as an artist after the breakup of the Beatles speaking as a fan because he has had mostly mediocre albums with only a few gems while he has kept his name in the spotlight for over 30 years as a former Beatle because his music has been mostly mainstream.
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Gee Indica what a cheap shot. And Mairi, it looks real "I'm in the gang too" to agree with a cheap shot like that. The WORST aspect, by far, of this board, is this "ganging" up on people.
And both of YOU commit lots of grammatical mistakes. So leave out the cheap shots. People in glass houses ...
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