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Setting aside wishful thinking and Beatle fiction masquerading as fact, let's look at history. There's a lot of truth in factual history. You are entitled to all kinds of opinions, but it doesn't change reality.
Even after the April 10th announcement, the remaining three Beatles were still publicly stating that the Beatles, as an entity, still existed and this was a temporary hiatus. A few weeks after Paul's statement, Ringo told a reporter, "I just feel it in my bones that we'll probably all be recording together again before very long." George said, "There is every prospect" that the Beatles eventually would work together again. "Everyone this year is trying to do his individual album, but after that, I am ready to go back to work together again." In early summer, George, while working on "All Things Must Pass", again said he'd expect the Beatles to be working together, possibly by the end of the year.
John initially had little response to Paul's announcement, saying only, "Paul phoned me to say 'I've decided to leave The Beatles.' It was good to hear from him, now that I know he's not dead [a reference to the "Paul is dead" hoax that broke the previous fall]."
In the May 14 edition of _Rolling Stone_, John made his feelings clearer: "It's the simple fact that [Paul] can't have his own way, so he causing chaos. I put out four albums last year, and I didn't say a fucking word about quitting."
In June, Paul, through his attorney, began the slow process of dissolving the partnership, raising the issue with John via a letter later that summer. John refused to discuss the issue. Paul again raised it during a meeting with the other three in New York that October. They refused to address it then, either.
McCartney filed suit against the Allen Klein and the other three Beatles on December 31, 1970, asking that The Beatles and Co. be legally dissolved that that a receiver be appointed in the meanwhile.
With that, the Beatles were no more.
Say what you will about the various arguments over guitar leads, drum breaks and girlfriends, but make no mistake, the facts are these: Paul went public and ignited the press firestorm that immediately erupted thereafter. He insisted on an immediate legal dissolution of the partnership, igniting almost a decade of vitriolic court battles.
It is important to note that all of John's statements regarding the breakup, such as the fact that he'd actually left first, et cetera, were made after Paul's public announcement and the subsequent hard feelings it generated.
The bitter statements against Paul by the other three that appear in the court affidavits leave no doubt whatsoever as to who "broke up the Beatles."
The ironic thing is that, a mere three years later, John, George and Ringo split with Allen Klein and sued him. If Paul had bided his time, he'd have gotten what he'd wanted (the problem, of course, was Klein; Paul wanted Eastman to manage the group), and the Beatles might have been back in the recording studio in 1975.
Or maybe not.
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To tell the truth, I really do not care who broke them up. The sad thing is, that they broke up....  |
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The post is a response to the people who still blame Yoko. IF you want to blame one person, then blame Paul.
It might be a sad thing they broke up (it was at the time). But they went out on top with Abbey Rd and ensured their status as a legend.
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John Lennon's mind was passing from the Beatles, certainly by late 1967. George Harrison was getting increasingly frustrated that the Beatles were a vehicle for Lennon & Mccartney to realize their songs, and not his. Ringo was getting frustrated with his increasingly minimalist role (remember his memory of Pepper was being bored and playing cards with Mal).
They were changing. THAT'S what broke up the Beatles. |
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The post is a response to the people who still blame Yoko. IF you want to blame one person, then blame Paul.
It might be a sad thing they broke up (it was at the time). But they went out on top with Abbey Rd and ensured their status as a legend.
People who know anything about the Beatles know that there was no one person responsible for the break-up. You cannot "blame" Yoko, or Paul, or any one person. What a myth this "Abbey Rod ... ensured their legend status" is. Come on, they were legends because of what went before 1969. Much as YOU might like Abbey Road, I think an album half-full of glossy unfinished songs has little to do with the Beatles legendary status. |
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especially linda and yoko |
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the beatles wives
Guess again.
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especially linda and yoko
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YEAH RIGHT! It was NOT Linda and Yoko. If anything, they helped their husbands through the breakup. (Well, that was mainly Linda, but anyways, that's not the point...)
It was no single person. It was everything, they changed. |
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It was Life... It was only a band, like Lennon says... I'm glad they broek up when they did, although the split was bitter. If they never split, we may have got another Abbey Road, except this time, the artificial glitter would have lost its sparkle. |
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What's happening, Indica? I'm in total agreement with you. |
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an album half-full of glossy unfinished songs
ouch! i love those glossy songs...  ~ missy |
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People who know anything about the Beatles know that there was no one person responsible for the break-up. You cannot "blame" Yoko, or Paul, or any one person.
What a myth this "Abbey Rod ... ensured their legend status" is. Come on, they were legends because of what went before 1969. Much as YOU might like Abbey Road, I think an album half-full of glossy unfinished songs has little to do with the Beatles legendary status.
Hi there. I never gave my critique of Abbey Rd, because that wasn't the point of my post. They did however go out on top. The break up was provoked by a lot of things. It may have been inevitable and completely unavoidable. It may have been right, it might have been wrong. Wives, egoism, Brian's death, growing up, etc. These are all valid opinions. But I stand by my first post. Only in the historical, legal and physical sense of the word, Paul dissolved (broke up) The Beatles. This is a fact. I feel that things changed the most at the time Paul wrote Yesterday and John made the statement (out of context) that The Beatles were bigger than Jesus. It might not have been apparent to the world, but the other three were not happy with John. On top of that he was getting death threats and the KKK demonstrated a concert in Alabama. John was a wounded man, and very paranoid. The stage was set for Paul to play leader of the band. They quit writing together and wrote in competition (a good competition that produced some great music), but things were changing rapidly. The split had been set in motion. They were the greatest band on earth. Each Beatle handled mega-fame and fortune in a sane down to earth way. They were/are each magnificant, friendly, very talented and very human people. I miss John and George very much.  I LOVE THE BEATLES |
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ok i am only gonna say this once.I DID IT!!! i think what we thought was a beatle was different than what they thought. |
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oh and for the record john was done after help...... |
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A band doesn't last forever and I think there are several people you can blame for this breakup, but in the end, there wasn't much left for them to do. I disagree with Ydoll and Indy that Abbey Road was a bad album and think there were some superb songs, along with a few bad ones ( but what album doesn't have a 'Her Majesty' or 'Polythene Pam'). However, I do agree that their later works wouldn't have been as genius as their work in their prime. You can't be a good band if the members don't cooperate and John's paranoia had developed into rather obnoxious personality. |
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it was me dammit........... |
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it was me dammit...........
still mad about breaking up the beatles eh... |
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It was a conspiracy greater than JFK. |
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i don't know why you feel you like you have to take this away from me......... |
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I don't blame Yoko for breaking up the Beatles, but having her wheeled around on a gurney during the White Album didn't help any. If anything, I'd blame John's obsessive-compulsive disorder, psychological problems and ill-advised drug intake for the split. It's amazing the band lasted as long as it did before he basically imploded. The other three guys were basically emotionally healthy. George himself stated in the Beatles Anthology that the other guys didn't realize how fucked up John was until he did the primal scream record. |
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i put it in their soup....... brian wilson did primal scream therapy too.....and the beach boys left him and went on.... |
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Guess again.
And again.
the beatles wanted to be with their wives more then the band ydoll gwyn |
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they jsut couldnt do magic anymore.. |
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he can't relate.......then they left |
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End of touring/Brian Epstein's death. |
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A band doesn't last forever and I think there are several people you can blame for this breakup, but in the end, there wasn't much left for them to do. I disagree with Ydoll and Indy that Abbey Road was a bad album and think there were some superb songs, along with a few bad ones ( but what album doesn't have a 'Her Majesty' or 'Polythene Pam'). However, I do agree that their later works wouldn't have been as genius as their work in their prime. You can't be a good band if the members don't cooperate and John's paranoia had developed into rather obnoxious personality.
i like Polythene Pam. i guess i am alone.... (?) |
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i think what we thought was a beatle was different than what they thought.
This is a really good point. Yoko was quoted last week as saying that John didn't feel he was that famous. He said if he'd have been born in New York City he'd have been bigger. There's something sad about that... If he only knew how BIG he really was. |
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It was...
1 part Yoko
1 part Linda
1 part growing apart as people
1 part frustration at never being able to play live without it being a total zoo
1 part frustration over business affairs
1 part pride
1 part desire to have a real life outside of The Beatles and...
1 part inability to work together effectively
Stir 'em all up and you have a break up waiting to happen.
They broke up during a time in Rock history when it was unheard of for band members to do solo projects outside of a group or go on an extended haitus. All of these things would become common place in the 70's and beyond. |
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and 2 parts Pete Best |
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and 2 parts Pete Best
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And ego |
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Definitely ego, huge egos. John said, "there just wasn't enough room for 4 egos on one album anymore."
But then, The Rolling Stones didn't break up. The Beach Boys are still a band. Even Queen is touring this summer. The Beatles were just TOO big.
I guess? I mean, it was pretty ugly for a few years. If, as is said, they put all that behind them, I guess we should too. |
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The Beach Boys aren't really a band... thee's been a lot of petty squabbling going on from what I've heard. Especially between Brian and Mike. |
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Definitely ego, huge egos. John said, "there just wasn't enough room for 4 egos on one album anymore."
But then, The Rolling Stones didn't break up. The Beach Boys are still a band. Even Queen is touring this summer. The Beatles were just TOO big.
I guess? I mean, it was pretty ugly for a few years. If, as is said, they put all that behind them, I guess we should too.
The biggest part of Queen is dead, however. That's sans one ego |
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The biggest part of Queen is dead, however. That's sans one ego
I wouldn't buy a ticket. It's not Queen without Freddie, but they're are gonna give it a shot. The Beach Boys are a trip. Brian is a genius. I'm so glad Smile was well recieved. They've had a lot of quarrels, but they didn't break up. Just an observation... I DIG The Beach Boys! Awsesome sound. |
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The Stones are Keith and Mick. Wyman has said he gave up suggesting anything musically. The other band members rode the 'gravy train.' Beach Boys didn't write, except Brian. The Beatles were all song writers with creative ideas. Too much energy. It imploded. |
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flux brings up a good point. they all wanted their input and thats sometimes bad cause their ideas might confront. |
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