I couldn't believe this rumour when I read it.  John allegedly confessed to Yoko and personal assistant Fred Seaman (who then told a Dakota employee, who in turn told Albert Goldman) that he beat the crap out of Stu when he was drunk.  This lead to Stu's brain hemorrhage which killed him.

Also, Pauline Sutcliffe (Stu's sister) "confirms" this nonsense and says that John and Stu were lovers as well.  Huh?

Since John and Stu are dead, anybody can make up any kind of crap and peddle it as the truth.  That's kind of sad.

Quoted from beatlegirl200

Also, Pauline Sutcliffe (Stu's sister) "confirms" this nonsense

Just because you don't like it doesn't automatically mean it's nonsense. It could be true.

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Just because you don't like it doesn't automatically mean it's nonsense. It could be true.

... but (as a matter of fact) it's false.

Kind-of like claims made for vegetarianism. Some could be true - but are not.

^Now why did you have to go and say that? Try to be nice, please.

Anyways, I believe that Pauline Sutcliffe's little story was only made up to sell books. Greedy b****. She sold most of Stu's estate, including many of his paintings, just so she could make some cash.

but he would of sold his paintings anyhow.


I think calling her a Greedy B**** is slightly misplaced.

We dont even know these people.
I think sometimes we forget it.

Come on... that book is obviously sensationalized. It's an insult to Stu's memory. And from what I heard, she sold some very personal items as well.

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... but (as a matter of fact) it's false.

Oh, so you were there and have absolute proof that it never happened?

Of course I hope it's not true, but even John Lennon wasn't perfect.

And about that last comment: how old are you? 12? Grow up.

i have heard of the incident in which john says booted stu in the head a few different places besides lennon.i seem to have read that he had confided this to paul or george.anyway i ain't gonna pike off until i research it.as for john and stu being in love?I BELIEVE IT.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/dotmusic_news/30162.html paulines version.
i am still looking else fors......

number 9 number 9..........of course it could have been a dream...or some rumour i heard...so nevermind.until i find something in stone.but actually it doesn't matter to me either way i'll work tomorrow and sleep tonite.

There's all kinds of speculations. The Beatles got into brawls in Hamburg and Stu got knocked out, Philip Norman speculated that it was Paul who kicked Stu in the head. In the movie 'Backbeat', it was strongly insinuated that John and Stu were very 'close'. I met Pauline Sutcliffe at a Beatlefest and she didn't strike me as a vulture. She seemed very proud of her brother's work and was celebrating him as a brilliant artist that never got his due.

It is also possible that he had a hemorrhage. People have brain aneurysms and brain hemmorhages every day, maybe it just happened. It just sounds more juicy if all kinds of crap is heaped on it. Just tossing it out. His autopsy showed a small indent in his skull though, so it is likely that some kind of trauma exacerbated his hemorrhage.

That John and Stu were lovers I believe.
That John might have kicked Stu in the head I also believe,
But whether that kick exsaberated his death we'll never know.

Why do you believe John and Stuart were in love?

Why can't 2 men just be best friends who love each other without making love to each other?
Is that not  possible??


John must have had HUNDREDS of women.
As he confessed to Cynthia.
And Cynthia has said she never met a man MORE heterosexual than John.

Paul says the John and Stu rumors is all garbage.
I guess if anybody would know, he would!

And what of Astrid and Stu engaged, was that all a cover?

When Paul dies there will probably be a lot of crap about him having an affair with George, or John or Ringo or Pete or Neil or who knows what else.

Lovely how after people die, others can write anything they like.
The dead cannot defend themselves.  

People belive whatever they read, it's very strange. They figure if it's printed, it must be true.

Now Stu's sister. Was she in the bedroom with her brother and John to witness this?
Give me a break!


I DON'T believe it at all.

I guess I just base it on all the stories about his relationship with Brian, the stuff about Stu, things in Alun Williams book (long b4 John died and totally non-sensationlist), the oddity of his relationship with Yoko , the overt hetersexuality, the homophobic violence etc.
Whether he was or wasn't doesn't matter to me, other than its just a another piece of the Beatle story.
Anyway, I don't want to make a big deal of it.