Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Forum Login
Login Name: Create a new account
Password:     Forgot password

DM's Beatles forums    Beatles forums    The Beatles  ›  Beatles Innovations Moderators: Sandra, BlueMeanie, harihead

Beatles Innovations  This thread currently has 1,766 views. Print
3 Pages « 1 2 3 » All Recommend Thread
pc31
July 29, 2005, 3:35am Report to Moderator

rockabilly rules!!!!!
Special Member
Posts
9,192
Gender
Male
Posts Per Day
5.25
love that track....


Logged Offline
Site E-mail Private Message AIM YIM Windows Live Messenger Reply: 15 - 35
Sandra
July 29, 2005, 4:37am Report to Moderator

Board Moderator
Posts
5,837
Gender
Female
Posts Per Day
3.51
What about the flanging or the wah wah? Didn't they have something to do with those terms?


Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 16 - 35
In Blue Hawaii
July 29, 2005, 12:20pm Report to Moderator
Getting Better
Posts
829
Gender
Male
Posts Per Day
0.59
Quoted from Bobber
I Feel Fine has the first feedback ever recorded -the sound at the very beginning, created by an electric guitar coming too close to the amplifier-.


The initial pluck is from John's acoustic guitar, which was feeding back because they were using one of those mikes that attaches to the guitar. In the middle solo section, after George does his first few licks, the band stops playing, and there's another guitar playing the riff. This is John's acoustic guitar, surprisingly enough, which is getting an overdriven signal from the miking technique, making it sound electric. How's that for innovation?
Logged Offline
E-mail Private Message Reply: 17 - 35
Bobber
July 29, 2005, 1:51pm Report to Moderator

Administrator
Posts
8,135
Posts Per Day
6.40
Quoted from MagicAlex


The initial pluck is from John's acoustic guitar, which was feeding back because they were using one of those mikes that attaches to the guitar. In the middle solo section, after George does his first few licks, the band stops playing, and there's another guitar playing the riff. This is John's acoustic guitar, surprisingly enough, which is getting an overdriven signal from the miking technique, making it sound electric. How's that for innovation?


Wow, never knew that!
Logged Online
Site Private Message Reply: 18 - 35
juniorsfarm
July 29, 2005, 11:18pm Report to Moderator
Guest User
Quoted from Maccalvr
What about the flanging or the wah wah? Didn't they have something to do with those terms?


Yes, it was a volume pedal on 'Yes It Is'.
Logged
E-mail Reply: 19 - 35
Ydoll Gwyn
July 29, 2005, 11:49pm Report to Moderator

Getting Better
Posts
979
Gender
Male
Posts Per Day
0.69
Quoted from pc31
sgt pepper was the first rock gatefold i think and first concept album...
but how firsts for ringo?first to elevate the drummer.first bass drum in liverpool...there are others too someone must know...


Beatles For Sale was a gatefold. Gatefolds were very common, but not for "pop" music. Pepper (of course) was not really a concept album ...

But you are right about the elevation of the drummer. Ringo is regularly put down by ignorant people, but gee he did a lot for the status of the drummer as a musician.
Logged
Private Message Reply: 20 - 35
adamzero
July 30, 2005, 2:57am Report to Moderator

"The dude abides."
Words Of Love
Posts
1,296
Gender
Male
Posts Per Day
0.91
I agree: Ringo put the beat in Beatles. The way his drums were recorded and mixed--out front and big--had a lot to do with the Beatles innovative sound.  Sun Records recorded big drums--check out Jerry Lee Lewis "Great Balls of Fire," but the sound was muddy compared to the crispness of the Beatles recordings.  You can really hear the kick and snare--not to mention all those cymbals.

Double-tracking: the Beatles were one of the first groups to double-track lead vocals.  They originally had to do this live, but Geoff Emerick and the techs came up with flanging or phasing as a way to produce the sound of two voices singing almost in sync.  It's sorta like echo, but echo is the multiplied repeat of a sound that decays.  Flanging fattens up the voice.  This helped the great lead vocals of Paul and John (more often) stand out in front of those big drums.  

Horns: the Beatles close-miked horns (on songs like Got to Get You Into My Life) in way that hadn't been done before.  They stuck the mikes practically into the horns, giving them the tonal clarity and attack you wouldn't get if you just miked the room.  

Sitar and other Indian musical instruments: Beatles were the first to incorporate these into pop-rock music.

I don't know if they were the first to do this, but the Beatles did gender-bending versions of girl-group songs like Please Mister Postman.  

The Beatles were one of the first groups to popularize the mellotron (e.g., Strawberry Field Forever opening).  

I think the ultimate innovation of the Beatles was having four irreplaceable parts in a pop group where the whole was greater than the sum of the parts.   From the very beginning this was recognized and they were marketed that way.   Each member was in his way so distinctive that you couldn't replace one and still have the Beatles.


Logged
Site Private Message Reply: 21 - 35
An Apple Beatle
July 30, 2005, 3:16am Report to Moderator

Be yourself, no matter what they say.
Administrator
Posts
4,437
Gender
Male
Posts Per Day
2.71
Quoted from adamzero
I agree: Ringo put the beat in Beatles. The way his drums were recorded and mixed--out front and big--had a lot to do with the Beatles innovative sound.  Sun Records recorded big drums--check out Jerry Lee Lewis "Great Balls of Fire," but the sound was muddy compared to the crispness of the Beatles recordings.  You can really hear the kick and snare--not to mention all those cymbals.

Double-tracking: the Beatles were one of the first groups to double-track lead vocals.  They originally had to do this live, but Geoff Emerick and the techs came up with flanging or phasing as a way to produce the sound of two voices singing almost in sync.  It's sorta like echo, but echo is the multiplied repeat of a sound that decays.  Flanging fattens up the voice.  This helped the great lead vocals of Paul and John (more often) stand out in front of those big drums.  

Horns: the Beatles close-miked horns (on songs like Got to Get You Into My Life) in way that hadn't been done before.  They stuck the mikes practically into the horns, giving them the tonal clarity and attack you wouldn't get if you just miked the room.  

Sitar and other Indian musical instruments: Beatles were the first to incorporate these into pop-rock music.

I don't know if they were the first to do this, but the Beatles did gender-bending versions of girl-group songs like Please Mister Postman.  

The Beatles were one of the first groups to popularize the mellotron (e.g., Strawberry Field Forever opening).  

I think the ultimate innovation of the Beatles was having four irreplaceable parts in a pop group where the whole was greater than the sum of the parts.   From the very beginning this was recognized and they were marketed that way.   Each member was in his way so distinctive that you couldn't replace one and still have the Beatles.




You've been swotting up on your Revolution In The Head havn't you? lol


Logged Offline
E-mail Private Message Reply: 22 - 35
adamzero
July 30, 2005, 2:28pm Report to Moderator

"The dude abides."
Words Of Love
Posts
1,296
Gender
Male
Posts Per Day
0.91
Swotting--great word!

I haven't read Revolution in Your Head.  Most of my info comes Heartsgaard, Lewisohn and years of idleness.
Logged
Site Private Message Reply: 23 - 35
An Apple Beatle
July 30, 2005, 2:53pm Report to Moderator

Be yourself, no matter what they say.
Administrator
Posts
4,437
Gender
Male
Posts Per Day
2.71
Nice stuff.


Logged Offline
E-mail Private Message Reply: 24 - 35
number14
July 30, 2005, 7:42pm Report to Moderator

I like the beatles a lot
Words Of Love
Posts
1,749
Gender
Male
Posts Per Day
1.08
they made rock n roll real




Paul McCartney
Logged Offline
E-mail Private Message Reply: 25 - 35
Ydoll Gwyn
July 30, 2005, 9:13pm Report to Moderator

Getting Better
Posts
979
Gender
Male
Posts Per Day
0.69
Quoted from pc31
thats not here tho dolly........


"Here" means nothing on the internet. YOU live in the US. So what? Try and judge things from a perspective that's a little wider than your own backyard.

Moreover, it doesn't change the fact that Beatles For Sale had a gatefold before Pepper. BFS wasn't released as such in the 60s in the US; however, elsewhere in the world it was - and it had a gatefold sleeve.
Logged
Private Message Reply: 26 - 35
Ydoll Gwyn
July 30, 2005, 9:14pm Report to Moderator

Getting Better
Posts
979
Gender
Male
Posts Per Day
0.69
Quoted from number14
they made rock n roll real


Meaningless. Rock n roll was real enough coming from the likes of Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis, and a host of others. Did not even the Beatles themselves admire them?
Logged
Private Message Reply: 27 - 35
Brynjar
July 30, 2005, 10:53pm Report to Moderator

Getting Better
Posts
367
Gender
Male
Posts Per Day
0.25
Nice thread.

Here is a great article from answers.com:

http://www.answers.com/topic/the-beatles-influence

I like the fact that George Martin offered them a "guaranteed" number 1 single with ´How do you do it´ but they refused.


They were the most brilliant, powerful, lovable, popular group on the planet...
Logged Offline
E-mail Private Message Reply: 28 - 35
mclen57
July 31, 2005, 3:35am Report to Moderator

A Beginning
Posts
184
Gender
Male
Posts Per Day
0.15
Quoted from adamzero
I agree: Ringo put the beat in Beatles. The way his drums were recorded and mixed--out front and big--had a lot to do with the Beatles innovative sound.  Sun Records recorded big drums--check out Jerry Lee Lewis "Great Balls of Fire," but the sound was muddy compared to the crispness of the Beatles recordings.  You can really hear the kick and snare--not to mention all those cymbals.

Double-tracking: the Beatles were one of the first groups to double-track lead vocals.  They originally had to do this live, but Geoff Emerick and the techs came up with flanging or phasing as a way to produce the sound of two voices singing almost in sync.  It's sorta like echo, but echo is the multiplied repeat of a sound that decays.  Flanging fattens up the voice.  This helped the great lead vocals of Paul and John (more often) stand out in front of those big drums.  

Horns: the Beatles close-miked horns (on songs like Got to Get You Into My Life) in way that hadn't been done before.  They stuck the mikes practically into the horns, giving them the tonal clarity and attack you wouldn't get if you just miked the room.  

Sitar and other Indian musical instruments: Beatles were the first to incorporate these into pop-rock music.

I don't know if they were the first to do this, but the Beatles did gender-bending versions of girl-group songs like Please Mister Postman.  

The Beatles were one of the first groups to popularize the mellotron (e.g., Strawberry Field Forever opening).  

I think the ultimate innovation of the Beatles was having four irreplaceable parts in a pop group where the whole was greater than the sum of the parts.   From the very beginning this was recognized and they were marketed that way.   Each member was in his way so distinctive that you couldn't replace one and still have the Beatles.



Ringo was also the first drummer to remove the bottoms off his drums to give them a more kick.



Just rattle your jewelry!
Logged Offline
E-mail Private Message Reply: 29 - 35
3 Pages « 1 2 3 » All Recommend Thread
Print

DM's Beatles forums    Beatles forums    The Beatles  ›  Beatles Innovations

DM's Beatles site - Top 100 Beatles sites

Powered by E-Blah Forum Software 10.3.5 © 2001-2008