?? care to explain

Love is the answer. And you know that......for sure.

true yes is surrender.....

And here I thought this was an Allen Iverson thread.

I thought the answer was "Run Cyn, Run!!" Train pulls away.

I still dont get it

same here tk, I thought it was an AI's thread lol

Quoted from ma_tt2

I still dont get it

Have you ever heard the song "Mind Games"? Live it, learn it, love it.

you gotta let it, you gotta let it grow

careful when it starts to spit tho.......

and the point of this thread?

there is no point man, like hippies. its here for the purpose of being here. like the stars in my head.

just keep playing those mind games forever. Raising the spirit of peace and love.

BUMP.

There is only so much stuff that can be discussed about The Beatles, 60's etc... it's starting to maybe get to the point of regurgitation for me. Oh well, there is alot I do noy like on here but I shall not post what as it is no good to nobody. I just think that particular members post about stuff they do not understand, I include myself as one of those members also. Sometimes I feel it gets to the point where I may as well not give my opinion as trying to fight other peoples bs posts is futile, the more you try to assist the more bs threads are created. I just get angry with myself and those who do not understand themselves. Oh well not to worry, they shall continue and only they will find whatever it is they like in time, we are all here to helpfully hinder eachother. Wish there was someone here to talk to... Melancholys sometimes taste bitter...

there was a point and sondra nailed it...i put very little there as to invoke the thought process.....but most of you just walked past it...vacant minds need more it seems...and you know that 4 sure...ollie you seem to have that bad taste in your mouth again...if you outgrown it then you should move on...b4 bitterness moves in again like it did on you when you bashed johnny back when...what can you contribute???

Good Golly Miss Molly, wassup with Ollie?  

Maybe better ask Buddy Holly

since he's gonna shout and a holla and a giggle tonight

gonna shake it just a little in the middle of the night

Cos tonight, he's gonna

Rock-a-rock around with Ollie Vee, Olli-olli-Vee

Quoted from Whoever

BUMP.

There is only so much stuff that can be discussed about The Beatles, 60's etc... it's starting to maybe get to the point of regurgitation for me. Oh well, there is alot I do noy like on here but I shall not post what as it is no good to nobody. I just think that particular members post about stuff they do not understand, I include myself as one of those members also. Sometimes I feel it gets to the point where I may as well not give my opinion as trying to fight other peoples bs posts is futile, the more you try to assist the more bs threads are created. I just get angry with myself and those who do not understand themselves. Oh well not to worry, they shall continue and only they will find whatever it is they like in time, we are all here to helpfully hinder eachother. Wish there was someone here to talk to... Melancholys sometimes taste bitter...

Why is a post from 2005 being bumped to support your rant? Because you feel it had no point? Well, there was a point, Do you ever sit around with your friends and get goofy or talk about things that don't matter? Do you have a response when someone says or does something humorous? Doesn't that make you feel good? Doesn't it bring you closer together as friends? Well that was the point here. At that time we all got along pretty well and occasionally some silliness would creep in. And I'll tell ya, it made the place a hell of a lot more fun to visit.

But hey, you're off topic. A better bump would have included a reference to some kind of druid dudes or mind guerrillas.  

The Druid Dudes would have been a great band name at some point in rock history.  Maybe even today.  

Quoted from Sandra

Why is a post from 2005 being bumped to support your rant? Because you feel it had no point? Well, there was a point, Do you ever sit around with your friends and get goofy or talk about things that don't matter? Do you have a response when someone says or does something humorous? Doesn't that make you feel good? Doesn't it bring you closer together as friends? Well that was the point here. At that time we all got along pretty well and occasionally some silliness would creep in. And I'll tell ya, it made the place a hell of a lot more fun to visit.

But hey, you're off topic. A better bump would have included a reference to some kind of druid dudes or mind guerrillas.  

who you calling goofy???!!!!lol

Quoted from Sandra

Why is a post from 2005 being bumped to support your rant? Because you feel it had no point? Well, there was a point, Do you ever sit around with your friends and get goofy or talk about things that don't matter? Do you have a response when someone says or does something humorous? Doesn't that make you feel good? Doesn't it bring you closer together as friends? Well that was the point here. At that time we all got along pretty well and occasionally some silliness would creep in. And I'll tell ya, it made the place a hell of a lot more fun to visit.

But hey, you're off topic. A better bump would have included a reference to some kind of druid dudes or mind guerrillas.  

Maybe you're not understanding me. I love you.

Quoted from pc31

who you calling goofy???!!!!lol

Nothing gets by you does it my friend.  

Quoted from Whoever

Maybe you're not understanding me. I love you.

No, I don't understand you. You consistently perplex me,  

i love you and you...you seem to like me.....you gave me the answer by paul mccartney...

Terpsichory...





Shall we dance?

... a bit lost in this thread but... ummm... yes, today I was looking through this Lennon book where it has info about his songs and it said that when he composed Mind Games he wrote it about a person he knew who "played his (JL) game" and then he looked through a magnifying glass at some piece of paper that guy was holding and it said "yes". Which was the answer for John.

Quoted from adamzero

The Druid Dudes would have been a great band name at some point in rock history.  Maybe even today.  

Mind Guerrillas isn't bad either.

Quoted from Whoever

BUMP.

There is only so much stuff that can be discussed about The Beatles, 60's etc... it's starting to maybe get to the point of regurgitation for me. Oh well, there is alot I do noy like on here but I shall not post what as it is no good to nobody. I just think that particular members post about stuff they do not understand, I include myself as one of those members also. Sometimes I feel it gets to the point where I may as well not give my opinion as trying to fight other peoples bs posts is futile, the more you try to assist the more bs threads are created. I just get angry with myself and those who do not understand themselves. Oh well not to worry, they shall continue and only they will find whatever it is they like in time, we are all here to helpfully hinder eachother. Wish there was someone here to talk to... Melancholys sometimes taste bitter...

What was the point of bumping this particular thread with that particular rant? If you don't like what people are saying in a certain thread, either ignore it or make a case for your opinion. Please don't start bumping threads pointlessly. You managed to turn what was originally just a bit of fun that everybody had forgotten about, into your own personal crusade against God know's what! If you don't like a thread, stay out of it. But you're welcome if you've got something interesting to say.

Quoted from pc31

YES

you guys just don't GET it. It's what Yoko wrote on the ceiling --at her art exhibition in London (when he first met her)

he often said, "If she wrote something negative like "no" I woulda walked out"

bravo.

thx pc31

That's because we like to block Yoko out of our minds.

poor yoko   ('scuse me while I go sing "Don't Worry Kyoko, Mommy's Only Looking For A Hand In The Snow")

Yes, poor multi-millionaire Yoko!

Yes,  poor multi-millionaire Heather Mills (who incidently, UNLIKE Yoko)didn't earn it.

Wait. How did Yoko earn it? Oh yeah. She married a Beatle. I'm gonna repost a Stern Show conversation from few years back because I think it explains her perfectly. She's done nothing but exploit his image and make millions off of being the widow Lennon. That's just my opinion.

Here's the conversation which is actually kinda funny:

Howard: So what’s in the news?
Robin: Oh lot’s of things, lots of things. First of all you know that they’re doing a musical, a John Lennon musical? Did you hear anything about this? They’ve been working on it for a while and apparently, you know, you gotta deal with Yoko Ono…
Howard: Ohhhh... (Robin laughs)
Artie: That’s fun.
Robin: …if you’re going to do something about John Lennon…
Howard: (in mock Asian accent) I know, I know what John rikes.
Artie: Oh that’s gotta be a nightmare.
Robin: And in the paper today they’re saying you know obviously that it’s a flawed production and it’s having some problems and Yoko’s right in there with both hands…
Howard: and feet.
Robin: Up to her old tricks with last ditch efforts to save the seriously flawed bio musical about her late husband.
Howard: All these plays on Broadway have the worst friggin’ music. How could you screw up John Lennon music?
Artie: It’s Lennon man.
Howard: You should be able to create some sort of interesting play.
Artie: Something entertaining.
Howard: Yeah.
Artie: You know. They did it with Billy Joel!
Howard: Yeah, that show’s still running!
Artie: Right.
Robin: She’s even driven the director away. So, you know, she’s trying to control everything. You know, these people who really have done Broadway, and know how to do Broadway, they’re trying to work on the thing…
Howard: Right.
Robin: …and Yoko’s…
Howard: Well, she’s…
Robin: …there trying to uh, turn all the screws.
Howard: Don’t you think at some point she’d say to herself, you know I’ve never been a part of anything commercially successful, why would I think I could do this?
Robin: Right.
Howard: That doesn’t slow her down?
Robin: Let me listen to the experts!
Howard: Yeah, maybe there are people that know what’s going on and they can honor my husband in some way.
Robin: This latest one only lasted two days! (laughing) What a nightmare she must be.
Howard: She’s probably like (in mock accent again) I’m about peace and love!  No you’re not. If you can’t get along with a bunch of theatrical people who are you know creatives. You’re not about peace and love. You’re a big pain in the a**.
Artie: Marrying John Lennon. That was a commercial success.
Howard: Oh my God. I would have married him.
Artie: Good move.
Robin: That’s the only success she’s made of her life.
Howard: Mmm. That’s her best move yeah.
Robin: Yeah.
Artie: That’s a good one. Financially. (Laughs)
Robin: So she’s still milking it. You know she’s holding on tooth and nail to that legacy.
Howard: (mock accent) Beatles reader.
Artie: laughing.
Howard: Thank you.

You call that funny?? I don't, but then we're all entitled to our opinion. Let me have mine.

here's a sample of it :


like Linda McCartney, Yoko RECORDED music with her late husband. She was an abstract artist LONG BEFORE she even met John. Heather on the other hand was (and still is I suppose)an opportunistic goldigger who, by her own admission, wasn't much into the Beatles. Any mean-spirited criticism leveled at Yoko usually originates in racism OR the vast misconception that she was the one that ended the Beatles. The former cause is an abhorrence, while the latter is nothing more than a proven lie. Prejudice it seems has a long shelf life. Everyone loves to trash Yoko, but I'd love to see them do it if John were still alive--and to his face. I think it's a safe bet to say that gutless, phony wonders like H. S. and his ilk wouldn't.

*also : I never watch Howard Stern --it always has been a cesspool of corruption (case in point, the dialogue above posted from that aforementioned show. All haters in my opinion). My high regard for ALL the ex-Beatle wives (w/ the notable exception of Mills remains intact)I will not pursue this issue. It sickens the hell out of me.

I think you're simplifying things a bit. Yoko's art is definitely debatable and she really wasn't a name until she met and had a trist with Lennon.
As for the recording, Lennon wanted to record with somebody. Anybody. He NEEDED to. He even admitted to that. That doesn't make Yoko talented. How many Yoko songs are considered classics? Same goes for Linda. The husbands just wanted to keep the wives close. An argument could be made for Heather stating that at least she had her own things going on and didn't try to make a name for herself by suddenly becoming a recording artist because she married one of the most famous musicians on the planet. I wouldn't say that, but some could.
As for the "Any mean-spirited criticism leveled at Yoko usually originates in racism OR the vast misconception that she was the one that ended the Beatles." Again, that's a very simplistic view as to why you think people critisize Yoko. She's done plenty to deserve critisism. She's also done some great stuff too, but someone can start that thread if they want. I think she's exploited Lennon's image and continues to turn him into some sort of product. I think she has treated his family poorly and hasn't been very cooperative or giving to the other members of his former band. Until recently anyway. And I'm basing this on the actual people who have actually had to deal with these issues over the years. So those are some of my critisisms of her.
Now to say I or anyone else critisize her because we think she broke up the band is just insulting. There were MANY factors that went into the break up and we're all intelligent enought ot know that. Give us some credit. As for the racism. If you're basing that on the Stern thing, well, yeah, he was being racist by mocking her accent, but that's not why I posted it. I think what they were discussing and the sentiment of the conversation conveys how people feel about her perfectly. Some of it may have not been politically correct, but we're all pretty much adults and should be able to deal with it. As for the Stern show itself. Most people who critisize it have never really heard it and any mean-spirited criticism leveled at Stern usually originates in blind hatred OR the vast misconception that he does nothing but lesbian dating. But to each his own.

BTW, I've heard much worse dialogue going on around here than in the above HS conversation. I've heard much worse racist comments too. It's called human nature and you can rise above it and understand that people sometimes have those kinds of thoughts. Plus, it's in part NY humor. Maybe not your thing.

When trawling through the archives of The Times I did find one reference to pre-John Yoko. It concerned some "happening" she was staging in 1966. The article seemed to treat the whole thing a bit tongue-in-cheek.
I don't think you can call her art "debatable." It may not be to everyone's liking, but it seems she was well regarded in her field.

Quoted from Sandra

As for the recording, Lennon wanted to record with somebody. Anybody. He NEEDED to. He even admitted to that. That doesn't make Yoko talented. How many Yoko songs are considered classics?
As for the "Any mean-spirited criticism leveled at Yoko usually originates in racism OR the vast misconception that she was the one that ended the Beatles." Again, that's a very simplistic view as to why you think people critisize Yoko. She's done plenty to deserve critisism.


Now to say I or anyone else critisize her because we think she broke up the band is just insulting. There were MANY factors that went into the break up and we're all intelligent enought ot know that.  Plus, it's in part NY humor. Maybe not your thing.

you're gauge if someone is talented is how many "classics" they rack up ? Now who's being simplistic... ? Yoko's art can hardly be characterized in Western terms--keep in mind she comes from the Orient. She's an avant-garde artist, where deviance from convention is the norm. This was precisely the reason John was attracted to her in the first place (from many things I read over the years) John, as we all know, could be regarded as probably the most daring or unabashedly "rebellious" Beatle (I mean in terms of self-expression), and he's always had a streak of the iconoclast in him (which is one of the reasons I respected him so much). Naturally, he'd be drawn to  a true "outside the box" thinker like Ono. The Beatles music has always been more accessible to the Occidental mind, but in addition to his love for "roots" r&r, John, being the complex soul that he was, also was driven to social reform..which means he sometimes had to fight the intractable status quo--the stock and trade of non-conformist artists since time immemorial.  Unlike the other three Beatles, John lived comfortably in two worlds, the world of mainstream pop (which The Fab revolutionized), and the strange, abstract world of post-modern expressionism. Paul, I must give credit, made a few tenuous sojourns into these "outer regions", but in the end, he was still a glorified song and dance man (which in no way I am demeaning, he's brilliant)
What John "needed" was not only a wife, but a kindred and starry-eyed utopian like himself.. To imply that Yoko is some kind of opportunist is, I feel, very wrong. Yes, it's true that she could be very demanding (and even unreasonable, earning her the unenviable appelation of "The DragonLady"--another obvious an unwarranted swipe at her far-Eastern heritage). What was so wrong with being merely pro-active in trying to protect John's estate and legacy by ANY means at her disposal ? it seems to me there's a simple reason why she did this...she loved him. She was his wife and artistic soul mate. I don't defend her because I understand all her art--I certainly do not (in fact, some of it defies analysis), but she nonetheless has the right to express it. Musically, her voice is virtually UNLISTENABLE--(I agree w/ most ppl on that point), but many of her graphic and conceptual art I find pleasing and thought-provoking. She's always been a highly intelligent and talented woman, but grasping her work can be challenging (but isnt that what great art requires? THOUGHT? ) It's an acquired taste. John knew this from the start. If you think I take a "simplistic" view on why I think ppl criticize Yoko, it's because the comments I've always heard about her were based on ethnic bigotry and NOT on her supposed "actions" regarding the his estate or art. Your Howard Stern excerpt is a glaring case in point. Mocking her accent? Intelligent criticism? I think not. As far as not getting NY humor...I beg to differ w/ you, I'm from NY myself and Woody Allen is my fave comedian. Trust me, Stern is no Allen. This difference is Woody would'nt engage in that type of sordid ethnic mockery for a cheap laugh. He's better than that. Same can't be said of Howard, can it ? If I recall correctly, didn't he even make fun of one of his erstwhile "side-kicks" "Stuttering John"? Typical. Nothing sacred to that crew, not even handicaps. Give me Woody any day, at least there you can find INTELLECT and self-effacing satire. With Stern all you get is scatology. Making fun of Yoko Ono isn't funny, considering the fact that the woman lost her husband--someone we all loved dearly--so tragically...but then, I guess I'm outta line, aren't I ? *rolls eyes*
It's better we just agree to disagree. I'm not gonna do a "Rodney King" number on you, but I'd rather not fight w/ppl in here. I grew up w/ The Beatles and the one piece of philosophy I gleaned from them after all these years was "do more lovin', less hatin'". I don't hate Mills, I disrespect her. Yoko is another story, IMO.

As to your other comment that I was somehow implying that people IN HERE subscribed to idea that Yoko broke up the band, you're WRONG, I was speaking in terms of the LARGER SOCIETY in which huge segments still blame Yoko for the unthinkable. I've been VERY IMPRESSED w/ the ppl at this site(at least most of them) and their overwhelming detailed knowledge of the Beatles is nothing short of inspiring. For a Fab freak like myself, it's like a second home. I was only defending Yoko on basic principles. Not how many "classics" she had or didn't have. I just think Mills had ulterior motives. Even her own father substantiated this.  Yoko is just a creative being who happened by chance to find "the other half of her soul" when John casually strolled into that gallery one day long ago in London. More power to her I say.  As for Linda, Olivia and Barbara, the same respect and affection is extended.

In short, I try to be understanding towards Yoko because John obviously saw admirable things in her...so, as a sign of respect for him, I give her the benefit of the doubt. I don't find that such a hard thing to do.

It's one way I honor the memory of Lennon himself.