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George didnt write more little rock songs like 'Taxman' because he wrote better tunes afterwards and didnt just settle for being a one dimensional writer. Not all, but the majority were more complex and better than 'Taxman'. Its the same reason that in his solo years, Paul didnt just write a bunch of rockers. People bitched because they liked the rockers and wanted to hear them, but that wasnt in his (or George's) interest. What does a nice little three chord rock tune take,,,,a day, maybe two to write? They set the bar a bit higher than that.

**George also had something to say through Taxman as he was pissed about all the taxes he was shelling out. I think the theme and feeling of the song fits well for Georges thoughts on the subject. More so than a ballad in my opinion.**


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George didnt write more little rock songs like 'Taxman' because he wrote better tunes afterwards and didnt just settle for being a one dimensional writer. Not all, but the majority were more complex and better than 'Taxman'. Its the same reason that in his solo years, Paul didnt just write a bunch of rockers. People bitched because they liked the rockers and wanted to hear them, but that wasnt in his (or George's) interest. What does a nice little three chord rock tune take,,,,a day, maybe two to write? They set the bar a bit higher than that.

**George also had something to say through Taxman as he was pissed about all the taxes he was shelling out. I think the theme and feeling of the song fits well for Georges thoughts on the subject. More so than a ballad in my opinion.**


Mostly agree (this time). As I said before, I think it's a matter of George's interest in some kind of music when he became an adult: he was more than just a rocker or a rock band member.
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George didnt write more little rock songs like 'Taxman' because he wrote better tunes afterwards and didnt just settle for being a one dimensional writer. Not all, but the majority were more complex and better than 'Taxman'.


I agree with this, in addition to what I said earlier. I think Taxman is good, but not more than good. A little over-rated IMO.


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George didnt write more little rock songs like 'Taxman' because he wrote better tunes afterwards and didnt just settle for being a one dimensional writer. Not all, but the majority were more complex and better than 'Taxman'. Its the same reason that in his solo years, Paul didnt just write a bunch of rockers. People bitched because they liked the rockers and wanted to hear them, but that wasnt in his (or George's) interest. What does a nice little three chord rock tune take,,,,a day, maybe two to write? They set the bar a bit higher than that.

**George also had something to say through Taxman as he was pissed about all the taxes he was shelling out. I think the theme and feeling of the song fits well for Georges thoughts on the subject. More so than a ballad in my opinion.**

I think "you" may be missing my point. Yes he wrote some "awesome songs" later on, but I am talking about when he wrote "TAXMAN" that he chose not to write anymore songs of that style at the time. Prehaps if he would have "John and Paul" wouldn't have ignored him. I will agree that the meaning behind Taxman is more suited to a rock style as oppose to a ballad. He never wrote a better "rock" song (Just my opinion)
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"NONE" of the Beatles settled for being one dimensional writers. Yes he wrote much more complex songs later, but the whole point of my post was to comment on the fact that if he had written more songs that sounded like "John" and "Pauls" AKA ROCK SONGS AKA "TAXMAN" that they could not have ignored him.
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"NONE" of the Beatles settled for being one dimensional writers. Yes he wrote much more complex songs later, but the whole point of my post was to comment on the fact that if he had written more songs that sounded like "John" and "Pauls" AKA ROCK SONGS AKA "TAXMAN" that they could not have ignored him.


As for myself, I still can't see the logic in what you're saying. I just don't see that George writing rock songs would have caused John and Paul to respect his ideas and contribution more. The only book I've got on The Beatles, A Hard Day's Write, says that George was pushed aside partly for being the youngest Beatle. And, I assume myself, since they started with the Lennon/MacCartney domination, it's logical to suppose that both wanted that domination to continue in their interests.


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...and those interents caused the split, IMO.
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Even when George was writing plenty of songs that are generally regarded as good ('68-70) he would still only get a song a side. I'm still not convinced that in '66 and '67 george was capable of writing more than 2 or 3 songs an album that could sit next to Lennon/mcCartney songs , but even if he had I think Greenapple is right(!). They just wouldn't have given him the space


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Maybe one way they could have done George justice would have been to allow him to do the B-sides for singles. More imaginitively, they could have said to George during the White Album sessions, 'Since there'll be 30 tracks on this one George, we're giving you 7 or 8 slots to show what you've got'. I wonder if Paul ever regrets any of it?


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Quoted from GreenApple
Maybe one way they could have done George justice would have been to allow him to do the B-sides for singles. More imaginitively, they could have said to George during the White Album sessions, 'Since there'll be 30 tracks on this one George, we're giving you 7 or 8 slots to show what you've got'. I wonder if Paul ever regrets any of it?


I would have to guess that no he doesn't. I don't think he or John would have been that fussed if he never wrote another song again.


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Sad.


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Well the whole point of this post is to pose the "question" If George would have written more "ROCK" songs do you think John and Paul would have used them? Yes he was the youngest Beatle, but still a contributor to the band. I don't think they could have ignored any song that sounded as good as "Taxman" just my opinion, unfortunatley we will never know.
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They ignored much better songs than 'Taxman' so I would have to say no to your question. John And Paul would not have used more of George's rock tunes.


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They ignored All Thing Must Pass which IMO is much better than any of the songs George had on Let It Be
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Yea it sounds so great it could have been the closer on the album!
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