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 Is the White Album the Beatles true masterpiece?
No (5 votes)
22.73%
Sgt. Pepper is better. (5 votes)
22.73%
Revolver is better. (4 votes)
18.18%
Yes (3 votes)
13.64%
Maybe (2 votes)
9.09%
Abbey Road is better. (2 votes)
9.09%
Headquarters is better than any Beatles album. (1 votes)
4.55%
22 Votes Total Last vote January 7, 2006, 1:18pm by Bobber
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raxo
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I think they didn't really know what to do at that moment in their career:

one recent failed (Magical Mystery Tour film)  
no live shows, (then they were a studio band)  
nearly two years of pychedelia (too many for an innovative band)  

so they made another album.

They seem tired to me:

Recorded almost all the songs they've got at that moment (bad and good ones).  
Used three studios at Abbey Road in five months with some holidays of Sir George, Ringo and George.
Discussions that caused Geoff Emerick gave up.  
Cover and title as you said.  

George ain't got better songs than 4 in those sessions: While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Long,Long,Long, Sour Milk Sea and Not Guilty though I like Savoy Truffle too. They should have used Don't Pass Me By in Beatles For Sale (its country sound fits better in that one) and so they could include 5 songs from George, but no more: which ones?

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Thanks for the 'maybe' option...refreshing change. lol


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Are you joking or ...
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I can never commit to these votes....Depends on who you are and what you like.


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They sure should have used DPMD in Beatles For Sale; to give a little justice to Ringo. I don't know what else George had. But, if John and Paul had said 'George, with 30 songs, you can really show what you've got with this album', or the like, I'm sure he could have shown us some good stuff. Couldn't have been any worse than Birthday, say.


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Are you joking or ...


...or teasing me?  

I wanted to say that Don't Pass Me By was composed by Ringo in 1963 or so and was intented by the guys in that year but failed. Ringo was always trying to record it for each album and in Beatles For Sale sessions they recorded a good version of an obscure rock: "Leave My Kitten Alone" and maybe they should have tried Ringo's and leave one cover out (Honey Don't could be sang by John -he used to before Ringo joint- so the cover could be other, not necesarially that one).  

Read All About It http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Pass_Me_By
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Well I never knew that. Nice insight.


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They sure should have used DPMD in Beatles For Sale; to give a little justice to Ringo. I don't know what else George had. But, if John and Paul had said 'George, with 30 songs, you can really show what you've got with this album', or the like, I'm sure he could have shown us some good stuff. Couldn't have been any worse than Birthday, say.


We know the 4 from the WA, but he also wrote in those days (at least):
1. Not Guilty (recorded but unreleased until his solo album from 1979 titled "George Harrison", you know it from the Anthology 3 and it sounds very similar).
2. Sour Milk Sea (demo in Esher Demos in may 68, recorded by Jackie Lomax that year with George producing it -a good one that the guys should have used in TWA, IMO).
3. Circles (demo from the same sessions in Esher, mostly instrumental at that moment and was unreleased till his solo album from 1982 titled "Gonne Troppo", no a great one, indeed).
4. Something (in a very early version at piano at the end of the sessions of WA -inspired by "Something In The Way" of James Taylor, it's said that the same day Paul made an early version of what would become Let It Be).

P.S. I don't like Piggies.


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Quoted from raxo




P.S. I don't like Piggies.




LOL...Has to catch me in the right moment...very rare. lol


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We know the 4 from the WA, but he also wrote in those days (at least):
1. Not Guilty (recorded but unreleased until his solo album from 1979 titled "George Harrison", you know it from the Anthology 3 and it sounds very similar).
2. Sour Milk Sea (demo in Esher Demos in may 68, recorded by Jackie Lomax that year with George producing it -a good one that the guys should have used in TWA, IMO).
3. Circles (demo from the same sessions in Esher, mostly instrumental at that moment and was unreleased till his solo album from 1982 titled "Gonne Troppo", no a great one, indeed).
4. Something (in a very early version at piano at the end of the sessions of WA -inspired by "Something In The Way" of James Taylor, it's said that the same day Paul made an early version of what would become Let It Be).

P.S. I don't like Piggies.




I think those George songs, Sour Milk Sea, and Circles, were recorded at the demo session at George's house, weren't they? Have they surfaced on bootleg yet? Fact that they weren't on Anthology might point to the future possibility of new Anthology album, as I said a while ago.


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LOL...Has to catch me in the right moment...very rare. lol


In my case that moments are very scarce...  
Indeed, it's very rare ... like some other songs in WA that make it so special (they are like impromptus)
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George could have opted to leave out Piggies, given the limited space he was allotted. For years I didn't know it was a dig at the upper classes. If he'd made it glaringly obvious, I'd love it! Hehehe!   'In their eyes there's something lacking, what they need's a damn good whacking!'  


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I think those George songs, Sour Milk Sea, and Circles, were recorded at the demo session at George's house, weren't they? Have they surfaced on bootleg yet? Fact that they weren't on Anthology might point to the future possibility of new Anthology album, as I said a while ago.


Right. They've been posted it Bootleg Forum some weeks ago. They were the more elaborated musically with percussion in the first one and keyboard in the last one. Sour Milk Sea could have been in Anthology 3 with problems IMO. Its quality is as good as the other acoustic versions of the Esher demos.
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George could have opted to leave out Piggies, given the limited space he was allotted. For years I didn't know it was a dig at the upper classes. If he'd made it glaringly obvious, I'd love it! Hehehe!   'In their eyes there's something lacking, what they need's a damn good whacking!'  


Yep, lyrics are good (quite good if we see the rest of the album) and the pigs sounds are funny but it's not his best song of that summer.
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Right. They've been posted it Bootleg Forum some weeks ago. They were the more elaborated musically with percussion in the first one and keyboard in the last one. Sour Milk Sea could have been in Anthology 3 with problems IMO. Its quality is as good as the other acoustic versions of the Esher demos.


Gosh! I've been downloading beatlegs just the last few days, but I've been slow to get access to a computer where I actually can download. Should be OK from Monday. Could you tell me if those links are still available? Is it a matter of the limited ones Bobber put out? Right now I feel so hungry to get those two songs downloaded!  


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