Quoted from IndicaWalrus

I doubt if John ever did that ...

Tony Barrow was their press officer.He has absolutely no reason to make this up.
Raxo's example of John being nice was with a journalist, so for public consumption.
Barrow was with the Beatles behind the scenes, and he saw what they were really like.
Of course we all know John could be charming and funny, but he wasn't always.
And going to Barcelona with Epstein when his first wife had just had their first baby is not a good example of a nice thing to do.

Quoted from zipp

Tony Barrow was their press officer.He has absolutely no reason to make this up.
Raxo's example of John being nice was with a journalist, so for public consumption.
Barrow was with the Beatles behind the scenes, and he saw what they were really like.
Of course we all know John could be charming and funny, but he wasn't always.
And going to Barcelona with Epstein when his first wife had just had their first baby is not a good example of a nice thing to do.

Of course, he has not ... or maybe he was trying to sell a book?


I've posted TWO links there ... after all, a journalists is a person too -most of them, at least- ... I was talking about cynicism, so why don't we re-read Anthology Book: Neil says something in the "A Hard DAy's Night film at Liverpool" chapter about John, pressure and his behaviour ... and at the end of the "Help!" film chapter -just before the "Yesterday" one- we can re-read more ... and maybe we can learn something, who knows? ... John is very clear in the last part I've pointed about HE ... and more about PAUL!!! ... there are lots of examples for those who want to see them ... I'm not saying that John was a saint but certainly not the contrary or the cynical guy some media described ...and Paul could hurt at least like John or more if he wanted it.


Was Tony the only one who ever met them?


Of course that everybody who knew him loved him (Paul's words at "Brian Epstein" Chapter on Anthology Book, for example ... another good one to see how nice John was to Brian) ... because everybody was blind, uh?


And going to Barcelona with Epstein when his first wife had just had their first baby is a good example of a nice thing to do ... if I was talking about his relationship with BRIAN!!!


P.S. There was nothing personal on my last post, zipp ... I was just seizing that oportunity to exlpain what I thought about all that has been said about the cynical John ... and you was not necessarily included in those some people think that the guys were cynical I said ... as I see it you pointed to his cruelness ...

Quoted from raxo

Of course, he has not ... or maybe he was trying to sell a book?


I've posted TWO links there ..

Was Tony the only one who ever met them?

He didn't make a big thing of it.No big sell like Cynthia.It's just in his book and I think it's true.

I know you posted two links but the second was about Paul.

Tony Barrow didn't meet the Beatles, he worked with them on a daily basis over several years.

That's all I was saying.It's no big deal.

Quoted from zipp

He didn't make a big thing of it.No big sell like Cynthia.It's just in his book and I think it's true.

I know you posted two links but the second was about Paul.

Tony Barrow didn't meet the Beatles, he worked with them on a daily basis over several years.

That's all I was saying.It's no big deal.

I'm not saying that he said to give publicity ... but it's a book: editors and ... who knows? ... After all, I'm not denying it but it seems exaggerated to me and 'cos it's in a book ... that's all   ... forget it ...

John appears in both, I think ... it's not important, anyway ... I was trying to put things on the table ...   ... forget it too ...

I know one or two things (probably not more) about these people I called The Guys ... I know who was Tony and by saying met I was trying to say met/knew/talked to/made love to/ or whatever else ... I mean, was he the only one with the right to say how they/he was or maybe there are two or three more people who can give us a review ...? ...   ...again, forget it ...

Surely that in our whole life we all would have been almost all the posible roles with multiple sides but the predominant ones are which define us, I think ... and to know a person you might need to be with him/her/it more than some hours every day ... you need to be in diferent situations and states of mind ... specially if we're talking about a rock star ... I'm not saying that Tony didn't ... but some anecdotes (bad or good ones) don't give a complete image of a person ... Perhaps it's a not matter of cuantity of anecdotes or facts but the quality of them ... forget this only if you want ...  

Anyway, I understand your point of view but I believe than Paul could be worse than John ...  

Mick: Why don't we do something together? ... apart from taking drugs, guys?

Quoted from raxo

Yep, ... It's clear (to me) that in the big brown bag line Paul is refering to economic business ... and surely to Brian ... tho it was an inner joke it was a too clear one for all of them ...

What it's weird to me is that I think that it doesn't fit too much with Paul's writing style at that period ... maybe in 1970-1971 but when they recorded Baby You're A Rich Man Brian was still alive and their business had not been working too well ...

IF it's so it would be very cruel ... but Paul could be -let's say- un-polite when he wanted ... and we know that he was -at least once- with Brian.

the brown bag may refer to eppys suggestion to brown bag pepper too.....

I've always loved the song, too.  I felt that it faded out too quick, just as the chorus was getting very energetic (wow, woh) - I wonder if a longer version exists?

Quoted from Buttmunker

I've always loved the song, too.  I felt that it faded out too quick, just as the chorus was getting very energetic (wow, woh) - I wonder if a longer version exists?

Not that I've heard. There are several versions available on bootlegs, but they're all around the 3 minute mark. Different mixes, mono, stereo, etc. but nothing earth shattering. It was recorded and mixed in a single day (pretty fast compared to all the Pepper songs it followed) for the Yellow Submarine movie, and as the b-side to All You Need Is Love.

Well, maybe someday.  After all, the extended version of "Yellow Submarine" took til 1996 to be available for public consumption (it was the B-side to "Real Love").

Quoted from Buttmunker

Well, maybe someday.

I wouldn't hold your breath. I think I've heard almost everything worth hearing from that session (recorded in 12 takes) and what you want doesn't exist.

the producer, or the engineer, or even the Beatles called for a fade when they did on that song.  Its not extra material, like a verse or spoken dialog that's missing, just the end of the song.  I'm sure it exists.  Just like all the "false starts" exist and what-not.  If they re-release "Baby You're A Rich Man," they could always decide to let the song run a few seconds longer before they fade the song out...

JOHN 1968: "In 'Baby You're a Rich Man' the point was, stop moaning. You're a rich man and we're all rich men, heh, heh, baby!"


JOHN 1980: "That's a combination of two seperate pieces, Paul's and mine, put together and forced into one song. One-half was all mine. (sings) 'How does it feel to be one of the beautiful people/ Now that you know who you are...' Then Paul comes in with, (sings) 'Baby you're a rich man,' which was a lick he had around."


Mick Jagger also came to just stand on the sidelines and watch and listen to The Beatles recording Baby You're A Rich Man in May 1967. Mark Lewisohn says Mick's name is even on the Beatles tape box for this song and that it's feasible he sang at the end verses!