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This is a great discussion and I personally don't have any ill feeling against anyone for having an opposing view to mine - so let's chat on 
Neither I. Tho I've realized that some people around these forums ( none of the ones that have posted on this thread) take opinions as something personal or even offensive or attacks against them -don't ask me who or why- ... I think that our points are already on the table ... Sir George didn't write or composed the song, I agree -I'm not blind or deaf ... yet ... give me time LOL!- but helped a lot to define it as a great ballad (a great step if you ask me) so in some way he (tho not only he) made it a standard ... Have any of you listen to Yesterday on stage played by the foursome during their last 1966 tour? I've done -sorry but I've got it on tape so I can't uploaded  - it sounds very poor ... and I'm not talking about sound quality ... and I'm awared that they didn't rehearsal it at studio because it was a solo effort (I was not saying that it was Paul who suggested Yesterday to be released as a solo work) ... with the usual approach the song would have lost a lot ... In my opinion, without Sir George decision Yesterday would be another Michelle ... because the melody was/is great and the words were/are not bad but less people would re-main listening as much as they did from the very begining without that classical arrangement ... and perhaps Eleanor Rigby wouldn't get that approach next year.  I always thought that Paul composed one song that he later gave away without Lennon credits (I would have to research but I thought it was one out of these: Penina, Catcall, Woman or Thingumy Bob ... if Woman was the one with the pseudonymous maybe is one of the others) ... If I'm right there's another discrepancy ... If I'm wrong I would like to ask if a song that it's compose for another artist when that artist ask you for a song it's not a solo project? More or less as The Family Way theme was ... |
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Although I agree on the point of George Martin's job -producing and arranging- I understand his feeling with this particular song. John Lennon had nothing to do with Yesterday. Paul McCartney comes up, puts both their names on the score and leaves George Martin with an open mouth. Of course they all agreed on the Lennon-McCartney partnership and that's the way it should be. But I think George Martin raised an eyebrow there.
More or less my thoughts too ... So I seized the opportunity to talk about other people's help, during their career, that were hidden by the famous credits ... and Yesterday is a very good example to do it ... |
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Have any of you listen to Yesterday on stage played by the foursome during their last 1966 tour? I've done -sorry but I've got it on tape so I can't uploaded - it sounds very poor ... and I'm not talking about sound quality ... and I'm awared that they didn't rehearsal it at studio because it was a solo effort (I was not saying that it was Paul who suggested Yesterday to be released as a solo work) ... with the usual approach the song would have lost a lot ...
I actually quite like the 'group' arrangement of Yesterday - to my ears it sounds like the only song they did rehearse for their 1966 tour!
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I always thought that Paul composed one song that he later gave away without Lennon credits (I would have to research but I thought it was one out of these: Penina, Catcall, Woman or Thingumy Bob ... if Woman was the one with the pseudonymous maybe is one of the others) ...
Actually, you are quite right about Catcall - that was released by the Chris Barber Band in 1967 with just a McCartney credit, as was Penina by Carlos Mendez in 1968(or was it 1969?) Let's be honest here, Paul was always the more savvy businessman - that is even more obvious today with his MPL publishing empire! And I believe he even re-negotiated a greater share in Northern Songs than John (without his knowledge) before the Beatles broke up!! |
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By the way, here is a link to the 1966 live version of Yesterday recorded at the Budakan in Japan, 1966. http://s33.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3CMBRG711KK233IZPMNUKZT8K1
Cheers, The End! That's exactly the version I've got ... I su-pose that that's the only one ... it seems to me that they are somehow lost on it (Paul's vocal and rhythm electric guitar are the prominent parts, and it's easy to imagine why) ... the song is one-year-old and it's already got its own personality ... the electric/rock version is a rarity ... (almost) everyone who has made a version have chosen a classical or even a minimalist acoustic approach ... it's under(&)table  |
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It's all good to read. Publishing is a messy monster though.
My info about the Oratario came from a reliable source. Someone 'inside' as you might say.
I will tap him up further on this. Maybe this could be the new 'Faul' rumour. lol
Peace to you all. |
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| February 24, 2006, 8:05pm |
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I've read that Paul did very few on the Oratorio (some indications and changed some things, if you want to see in that way) while Carl Davis wrote/composed most of the things ... It seems that Paul was only involved in the melody part: the hard one was for Carl ... Peace, Love and Hope for everyone, everywhere ... now and always!  (By the way, where are you hidden GreenApple?) |
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I like this one more ...
Thanks, The End. |
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I can almost believe Paul didnt do much on the 'Oratorio' as it sucks. 'Standing Stone' was much better in my opinion.
Sorry, now you guys can carry on with the intended subject matter as its good reading (something thats been missing for awhile). |
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| February 25, 2006, 2:30am |
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I've got the Liverpool Oratorio ... I like it but I don't love it ... so I decided not to buy anything else from his classical works ... tho I've read good reviews of ... precisely Classical Works ... |
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i think there is a vergin on blackpool night out and maybe on krone circus too..... |
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