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First of all, I don't think my opinion are facts. They're not. They're opinions. Second, I'm not saying you're not allowed to think Nixon was a great president.

I don't have a problem with your opinions and I also don't have a problem with the fact that your opinions usually aren't mine.

Who I do have a problem with is the way you always present your opinions like they're facts that can not be disputed. You said it LITERALLY: "Nixon was a great president, which can't be disputed over 30 years later."

Well, guess what: it very much is disputed. You can see it in the poll results. I didn't create these poll results, and neither did any other 'far left liberal wacko'. And if you don't believe me, here's my source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_United_States_Presidents

Now if you still want to deny that it can't be disputed that Nixon was a great president, you could just as well sign up for the Flat Earth Society or something like that.

I don't want to make a big deal out of this very small issue (I actually don't give a damn about Nixon), I'm just showing an example of how close minded you can sometimes be in your posts here.


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great...no, worst, no. if he was a "great" president than he wouldnt have had a scandel, he could still have been good but to consider him great doesnt work. had he not been a crook and liar and committed that whole watergate scandel than he wouldve been up there as a good president for his domestic and foreign triumphs (i mean seriously, without him, nothing would be made in china anymore) but he just had to much stacked against him to register him as great or even good. he's somewhere between dan qyale and dubya on the spectrum of worst president


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had he not been a crook and liar and committed that whole watergate scandel


In addition to that he was also an antisemite, a racist and an NRA supporter.


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What's wrong with being an NRA supporter Biscuit Power?  I'm not a member of the NRA, but I believe in the second amendment.  


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Quoted from somedude210
great...no, worst, no. if he was a "great" president than he wouldnt have had a scandel, he could still have been good but to consider him great doesnt work. had he not been a crook and liar and committed that whole watergate scandel than he wouldve been up there as a good president for his domestic and foreign triumphs (i mean seriously, without him, nothing would be made in china anymore) but he just had to much stacked against him to register him as great or even good. he's somewhere between dan qyale and dubya on the spectrum of worst president


For coming off as such a know-it-all and being such and a** about everything, it's refreshing to see you prove your ignorance--which President exactly was Dan Quayle? He must have snuck in there when I wasn't looking.
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sorry, i know hes not a president but hes the only other real recent dumbass in the white house than dubya. and technically he did run for president. but yes, i know he wasnt a president and i didnt mean to end up putting president on the end of that spectrum, it slipped my eye before i pressed post


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What's wrong with being an NRA supporter Biscuit Power?  I'm not a member of the NRA, but I believe in the second amendment.  


And I believe in the fifth commandment: you shall not murder.

And since guns are designed specifically to kill with, owning a (loaded) gun makes you a potential killer.

And here's another thing:

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Gun control advocates argue that the strongest evidence linking availability of guns to injury and mortality rates comes in studies of domestic violence, pointing to the series of studies by Arthur Kellermann, although they suggest that other slightly different studies have similar results. In response to suggestions that homeowners were at risk from home invasions and would be wise to acquire a firearm for purposes of protection, Kellermann tabulated in home homicide figures in three cities over several years, and found that the risk of a homicide was in fact higher in homes where a gun was present; his study led to the conclusion drawn by some that the risk of a crime of passion or other domestic dispute ending in homicide when a gun was available was large enough to overwhelm any protective effect the presence of a gun might have against burglaries, home invasions, etc. In seeming confirmation of this conclusion is his little-remarked upon finding that almost all the risk was limited to homes where a handgun was kept both loaded and unlocked, and therefore available for immediate use; apparently, the amount of time and effort required even to just remove a loaded gun from a locked cabinet was sufficient to allow tempers to cool enough to prevent a shooting.



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Yep. Violence begets violence--'Gotta have a gun because there's so many people out there with guns, what the hell is wrong with you?; For those who 'need' one, well, I guess it's your right. Hard to imagine  the Framers could fathom an automatic weapon. Bet it cleans out a deer pretty well though.
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nixon was a great president....his foriegn policies are mostly intact today....without nixon there would be no relations with china...i think he was scapegoated...


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Richard Nixon's position in historial rankings of US presidents:

Murray-Blessing survey of 846 historians (#34 out of 36)
Chicago Tribune poll 1982 (#34 out of 38
Siena poll 1982 (#28 out of 39)
Siena poll 1990 (#25 out of 40)
Siena poll 1994 (#23 out of 41)
Ridings-McIver poll 1996 (#32 out of 41)
CSPAN poll 1999 (#25 out of 39)
Wall Street Journal poll 2000 (#33 out of 39)
Siena poll 2002 (#26 out of 42)
Wall Street Journal poll 2005 (#32 out of 40)

Still think it can't be disputed?
i would say these polls..show that people believe what they read in print for the most part...ask what's his name about polyethene pam being about a man....


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theres no denying that Nixon had done some great things like opening trade with china, but at the same time (as with all presidents) he was taken down with a peg with the massive watergate scandel. Carter's downfall was letting the vietnam draft-dodgers back from canada and Clinton's downfall was Monica but people are always going to place Nixon down below because of his sneeky personality and the act that he performed was criminal.


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nixon was a great president....his foriegn policies are mostly intact today....without nixon there would be no relations with china...i think he was scapegoated...


The guy was a liar, he hired people to commit crimes to sabotage the democratic process and he was an anti-semite, a racist and a sexist. I think that's enough to eclipse any good things he might have done. He's the only American president that ever had to resign. That should say something.


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politicing is a dirty game...kennedy had whores waiting for him at most every place he spoke at....he was insaituable...he made millions in the sugar market after he put castros sugar off limits...he bought up south florida sugar cane feilds...his father was a bootlegger and had ties...direct ties i might add to the mob....he made his money selling illeagal whiskey during prohibition...when america was weak...what a great american he was....lyndon baines johnson had george hamilton black balled in hollywood because george jilted his daughter....truman dropped the bombs on japan b4 congress approved...thomas jefferson fucked his slaves....george washington had more affairs than can be counted on 3 hands....and he grew pot to smoke.....i am sure each has his own dirty little whitewater but tricky dick was just trying to secure an election...like say bush.....clinton messed with real estate...f d r married his cousin.....lincolns wife was certified crazy.....thomas jefferson was a plagarist....if you wanna believe what you read then nixon was the only lair...how about those great americans that broke treaties with my native american ancestors???guns against bow and arrows.....or the ones who put up with slavery till lincoln??how about the contra affair????nixon?the tea pot dome affair during warren g hardings term......and what about the credit mobilier of america scam or the whiskey ring during u s grants term??86 indicments brought against government officals.....a national tax evasion scheme..........john adams and the xyz correspondence....oh and incidently andrew johnson was almost impeached also....governments are riddled with corruption but if you believe nixon was controlling all those people then believe he was the only one who was ever corrupted by that office then believe it...but i believe as i do as you have your own beliefs....you know why they wanted the indians out of the black hills????gold was discovered there and custer was supposed to run them out of there so america could mine gold...genocide for dollars....


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oh and i forgot to mention the things the reagans took from the white house when they left....jewelry and other items....


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