Wayne, the only reason you believe John had more balls than someone like Michael Moore is because you don't believe in what they're saying about Bush, it's not because they don't have the 'balls'. i agree with michael moore today, and it's completley irrelevent to compare what he's saying now to what John was saying in the 1970's, and as far as i can remember john didn't speak a lot about 'politcs' anyway, or ronald reagan, people like that. off the top of my head the only thing i can think of what john stood for 'politically' was for 'peace' and he was against the vietnam war, although he didn't put a lot of effort into that anyway. i would say someone like Frank Zappa's political views are seen more dangerous than John's. At least you replied maturely this time, and i respect that.
Wayne, the only reason you believe John had more balls than someone like Michael Moore is because you don't believe in what they're saying about Bush, it's not because they don't have the 'balls'.
Exactly.
Here in the Netherlands for instance we have a right wing politician called Geert Wilders. I very strongly disagree with pretty much everything he says, and I can't even take him seriously as a politician because I don't believe he has any sollutions. So this is definately not my kind of guy. I do however admire his courage. He has to live in a bunker and can't get out unless he's surrounded by a small army of bodyguards, because there are a lot of people that want him dead. He however doesn't change his stance and keeps saying what's on his mind. And I think you've got to admire that. And I think the same thing goes for Michael Moore, even if you despise him for what he says and writes.
Right, which Wayne really does despise him, and is the sort of nutter who would want him dead, whereas i do like him, respect him, even if he is a bit 'phony' in real life, at least he's projecting a good image.
Well I saw it tonight. It was very well done. No new revelations or anything, but plenty of John. I kept waiting for the Bush comparisions, but there was only one at the end by Gore Vidal. Of course the ending is depressing. They should have ended when he got his green card. That's what I thought they were going to do, but nope. They had some great people commenting and Yoko even made sense. My only question: what's with the yellow hair on Elliot Mintz?
I hope you all go to see it. Maybe if it does well enough Hollywood will go on a Beatles kick and rerelease some of the old stuff or something! I can dream. BTW, is it bad that my favorite parts were when a giant young Beatle Paul would appear on the screen? That was all of about 30 seconds of the film, but MAN was it cool!
If it's been released on the Coasts, that means it will take about 10 years to make it to the Midwest. Glad for the review though, it sounds worth seeing. So many documentaries on the Beatles are half-assed, and this would be a huge undertaking, I think there's over 100,000 pages in John's file. Nixon was a very paranoid man. He had the '72 election won by a landslide-there's no way Goldwater could have beat him, yet he had the Watergate wiretapping, and wanted not only to throw out John, but considered people like Carol Channing, and Charlie Chaplin to be subversives.
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Wayne, the only reason you believe John had more balls than someone like Michael Moore is because you don't believe in what they're saying about Bush, it's not because they don't have the 'balls'. i agree with michael moore today, and it's completley irrelevent to compare what he's saying now to what John was saying in the 1970's, and as far as i can remember john didn't speak a lot about 'politcs' anyway, or ronald reagan, people like that. off the top of my head the only thing i can think of what john stood for 'politically' was for 'peace' and he was against the vietnam war, although he didn't put a lot of effort into that anyway. i would say someone like Frank Zappa's political views are seen more dangerous than John's. At least you replied maturely this time, and i respect that.
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I don't care what Michael Moore, Sean Penn & Natalie Maines say about Bush because it's for publicity only, more than politics & nothing special at all, but way too damn predictable. I think John had more balls speaking out because he made sense along with the nonsense, without alienating Beatles fans & the late, great Frank Zappa as well with the PMRC, with more depth than the celebriies above.
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I thought his books and movies were well done. I haven't seen Farenheit 9/11, but watched the first 2. When you tell people that you are a Democrat, usually the first thing they toss out is that you're some kind of Michael Moore nut, which is such a lame generalization, but on the other hand, I don't know what he's done that is so horrible. He has just been reporting.
I hope we all realize that Michael Moore's movies are slanted. I mean, if you think you're getting the entire story, think again. I enjoy his movies and I think he does great work, but I take them with a grain of salt. It's always good to hear both sides with an open mind. This country is so divided right now because no one's bothering to listen to each other. Their mind is made up and there's no real discussion. People just regurgitate the same five or six points they heard on the radio or read in a magazine. It's so obvious because no matter who you listen to from either side, they all sound like they were programmed by the same guy. I can't even get into these discussions anymore because it's like slamming your head against a brick wall.
Anyway, anyone ever hear Christopher Hitchens talk about Michael Moore? It's kind of interesting. I'm not saying I agree with everything the guy says, but he always makes some interesting points. Just like Moore himself does. Again, it's always interesting to hear opposing arguments. At least I think so. Here's Hitchens article Unfairenheit 9/11: The lies of Michael Moore if anyones interested. http://www.slate.com/id/2102723/ And please, I don't need to hear all about Hitchen's faults. I'm well aware. He's one of many people I read. I just think this is a worth while article. And just to clarify, I'm a registered Democrat. I've never voted Republican. I think soon I'll be an Independent. Mainly because both parties sound insane lately and they perpetuate all this arguing to keep us ignorant.
both parties are nuts? noooo...never. but my dad reads both the national review and new republic magizines hoping to discover the truth between them. good theory, probably works.
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The F.B.I. head Mr. Hoover had Lennon's phone tapped and they were trying to deport him for years to take the spotlight off his "anti-war" views! They knew that John was a very popular figure and were worried that he could sway some segment of the American population against the war. To this extent I believe we lost the musician and gained an activist who above all just wanted "peace" . John had long tired of being identifyed as a "Beatle" but in all honesty his being a "Beatle" is what allowed him to be listened to about his views on the war. Without his former fame I doubt many would have even noticed his views on war.
I think Paul, George and John all tried to distance themselves from their Beatle pasts in the seventies. But none of them made it. George pretty much just gave up altogether, while Paul seems to have come to terms with his past and is all Beatles now. It's likely that had John lived he too would have had to have faced the same choices. I'm still convinced that Yoko is doing her darnedness to make the peace-loving John Ono more remembered than smartass John Winston. (who I so much more prefer. Obviously).
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