Quoted from kevin_b

Re the Green Day thing - it seems as though punk is regarded as a life style more than just a musical genre, so it's a tough call. I always associate punk with anger and the winter of discontent. Anything else and it becomes a bit cartoony. But the world has moved on, and BP seems the punk man, so I'll go with him.

To my opinion, punk was only a lifestyle for a couple of years. I think that faded really quickly. Cause in the early years, punk was mostly "The world sucks so you might as well be an a**hole". But then many of the early US punk bands like Minor Threat and the Dead Kennedys were mostly "The world sucks so you'd better try to do something about it". So I think that by the early 80s, there was no such thing anymore as a punk lifestyle. After that it changed really quickly. Everyone from nazis to Krishnas, from Christians to junkies, from straight edgers to emo kids started calling themselves 'punk'. So there is no punk lifestyle. There's only the music.

And another thing: my art teacher always said that art is art when the person that created it says it's art. Cause if something's art for someone, who are you to say that he can't call it art?

I think the exact same thing goes for punk.

Come to think of it, that's not totally true. I think electronic music (like The Prodigy for instance) should never be called punk. That's where I draw the line.

Quoted from Biscuit_Power

Come to think of it, that's not totally true. I think electronic music (like The Prodigy for instance) should never be called punk. That's where I draw the line.

OK - so which way are you going with this? Drawing a line unfortunately puts you in the same place as people who say rap isn't music or (insert avante- garde artists name here) isn't art. They drew their lines.
I don't think what your teacher said can be "partly true." It's right or it ain't.
I think it's one of those never-find-an-answer debates. I think it requires some form of consensus. (but by who, or how many, I don't know.)
All this merely in the name of good humoured debate of course.

*ADDED LATER. I was thinking that if you hear punk, then punk it is. But then some old geezer would hear punk in everything after 1956, so there's that gone.

yeah i meant rancid...it's kiddie punk too.....i would kinda put corrision of conformity in punk and not metal....i think there are certainly punk metal bands wouldn't you agree??

and on the green day thing i would say dookie was when they sold out...kerpluk was ok but you could tell they we getting comfortable....

There's an amazing lack of Buzzcocks here. Juses Crihst I was just making an EXAMPLE!

Quoted from pc31

and on the green day thing i would say dookie was when they sold out...kerpluk was ok but you could tell they we getting comfortable....

I think the only difference between Kerplunk and Dookie is that Dookie had a much better production.

Back on topic.............

My favourite Buzzcocks tracks are Promises and What Do I get (as well as the more obvious choice - EFILWSYS've!). Oh my god, almost forgot (but not quite!) Love You More and  Everybody's Happy Nowadays!!!  

Quoted from Bobber

Told ya!

Great find Bobber! Wonder what it sounds like!

Favorite Buzzcocks track: definately "Love You More".

One of my old bands used to play a cover of "Orgasm Addict". Strange thing is that nobody ever seemed to know the song when we played it live (not even in England!). So the strange conclusion I have to draw here is that the Buzzcocks are probably more popular among pop/rock fans than in the current punk/hardcore scene...

Quoted from The_End

Great find Bobber! Wonder what it sounds like!

My guess: loud and noisy.  

Quoted from Biscuit_Power

One of my old bands used to play a cover of "Orgasm Addict". Strange thing is that nobody ever seemed to know the song when we played it live (not even in England!).

Ah - I know it!! I Played it once and found it was alright for kicks!! (BP knows what I mean!)

Quoted from Biscuit_Power

One of my old bands used to play a cover of "Orgasm Addict". Strange thing is that nobody ever seemed to know the song when we played it live (not even in England!). So the strange conclusion I have to draw here is that the Buzzcocks are probably more popular among pop/rock fans than in the current punk/hardcore scene...

Jello Biafra's made clear that "if it wasn't for The Buzzcocks there would be little to no more harmony in punk rock. We'd all sound exactly like The Pistols or The Ramones, not thath thats a bad thing, but without The Buzzcocks, I don't think we could've done stuff like, y'know, Viva Las Vegas, Kinky Sex Makes The World Go Round, Rawhide, or whatever. They were probably a lot more important then the fucking Clash."