yeah, i would think so, i don't think courtney loves very talented at anything (apart from shooting a needle up her arm), anyway that's just my opinion..nirvana are better than her although some of hole's stuffs alright, but kurts songwriting talents are on a par with neil youngs, or jeff buckleys, and is way upp there...nirvana are ok, but don't like courtney basically.
no it only means you have an affinity for the strange....i use to sort of not like hole but after i saw cort in that larry flint movie,i formed a better opinion....she is kind of scarey looking tho...you have to admit that..
Oh, Courtney's a psycho b**** all right. I just happen to like some of her songs. I know exactly zilch about Courtney and Kurt so I have no idea whether or not she killed him. She is a very strange woman. I dunno, I could never really get into the whole "grunge" thing. The music just doesn't appeal to me, for the most part. There are a couple of Nirvana songs I like though. I was born in 1990 and hardly listen to any music made after that, so the whole 'music-changing' side of Nirvana doesn't really make a difference to me.
I like chick rock... I don't like grunge.
You're so vain, you probably think this post is about you.
I like some of the stuff on 'Live Through This', most of the songs were written by Kurt anyways, but credited to Courtney. And you have permission to like whatever you want.
Oh, Courtney's a psycho b**** all right. I just happen to like some of her songs. I know exactly zilch about Courtney and Kurt so I have no idea whether or not she killed him. She is a very strange woman. I dunno, I could never really get into the whole "grunge" thing. The music just doesn't appeal to me, for the most part. There are a couple of Nirvana songs I like though. I was born in 1990 and hardly listen to any music made after that, so the whole 'music-changing' side of Nirvana doesn't really make a difference to me.
I like chick rock... I don't like grunge.
I was kidding about the Courtney and Kurt thing. It's an old conspiracy theory. I guess I get what you're saying about their impact meaning nothing to you, but I wasn't around for the Beatles and their whole 'music changing' thing, but it still means something to me. Same with the Sex Pistols and punk. Those bands should mean something to you because you probably wouldn't be listening to half the stuff that came after, including some chick rock, without them. But OF COURSE you have the right to like anything you want. That's a given. It's just that when you ask a question...
I was kidding about the Courtney and Kurt thing. It's an old conspiracy theory. I guess I get what you're saying about their impact meaning nothing to you, but I wasn't around for the Beatles and their whole 'music changing' thing, but it still means something to me. Same with the Sex Pistols and punk. Those bands should mean something to you because you probably wouldn't be listening to half the stuff that came after, including some chick rock, without them. But OF COURSE you have the right to like anything you want. That's a given. It's just that when you ask a question...
I hate Chick Rock. I mean, its basically, "were all great songwriting woman and feminists and if you don't like us your a sexist. Now I'm going to go sleep with 4 men, not because I'm a whore, but because my body is mine." Take Sheryl Crow, Alanis Morissette, or whoever.
This crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of Capitalism. Albert Einstein, "Why Socialism?" 1949
I think Cobain's voice on Nirvana Unplugged is fantastic - so meaningful and raw. I was obsessed with their cover of The Man Who Saved The World, and their own song About a Girl. They have some great little tunes.
Some people like John Cage's minimalist 'art', like sitting behind a piano in front of an audience for 4 minutes and calling it a piece. Art and music are what you make it. I've got some King Crimson that makes you feel like you are having a nightmare while you are awake, and its none too pleasing in a living room--but see it live with Fripp, Belew, Tony Levin. and Bruford or Mastellato or whatevever the f*** his name is, and it become such a cool thing. Yes, thing--don't know how to describe it. Music is whatever moves you--could be a sappy Barry Manilow song or Courtney Love song. IT DOESN'T MATTER. So what if she's a two-bit whore or whatever. I'll go Feminist here-what the men that we deify did and we don't mind a bit, goes unnoticed. A woman does the same thing, and she is denigrated. Dig it, learn from it, and take it from there. Amen. -Duane-
But nowadays the mass media is so petrified of being accused of sexism that you know what? They go after men, and now men are believed to be fat, stupid, insensitive, lazy slobs that can't do anything without a woman helping them. It's bullshit.
This crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of Capitalism. Albert Einstein, "Why Socialism?" 1949
Can we clarify something? If Mairi is talking about Joan Baez, Joni Mitchell, and the like, then that is NOT chick rock. Chick rock would be those group of Berkenstock wearing women in the 90's who sang about PMS, being a b****, and getting revenge on their boyfriends. To lump them all together just because they are women would be SO wrong. And Janis Joplin is in a category all her own. She is equal to any male singer before or after. And by the way, 'chick rock' is a degrading term in itself. If you want to get feminist.
I was referring to "chick rock" more in the vein of 70s, 80s, and SOME 90s group of women who knew how to rock hard and didn't give a mess what people thought of them. Not lame-a** girl singers who always have to make it a point that they're a strong, female artist. You shouldn't have to say it if it's true.
Singers like Joan, Joni, Janis, etc, are so important that they are just "singers"- they don't need a label, chick rock or otherwise.
You're so vain, you probably think this post is about you.
When I think of "Chick Rock" I guess the first thing that comes to mind would be poppy stuff like the Go Go's or the Bangles--kind of pre-fab made up bands that use sex appeal to sell records rather than their 'talent'. I'll get ripped a new one for this, but Janis Joplin has to be the most overrated female singer of all time. Joan Baez-yes, Joni Mitchell-by all means, but Janis just knew how to scream which was in the guise of heartfelt 'White Soul' music. Death is the best career move an artist can have.
I don't know, I think Janis was pretty popular before her death, but yeah, dying young does tend to elevate someones status to legend real quick. I think Joplin was a real talent. She was unique. I think probably seeing her live was something. Whenever I've heard her peers talk about her, they always seem very knocked out by what she did. She had the same energy you see in great male front men. Not too many women have that presence. Which is why I can't really get into women rockers and why I think they are not as well respected as the men. Of course Joplin's voice isn't for everyone. I get that.
I was referring to "chick rock" more in the vein of 70s, 80s, and SOME 90s group of women who knew how to rock hard and didn't give a mess what people thought of them. Not lame-a** girl singers who always have to make it a point that they're a strong, female artist. You shouldn't have to say it if it's true.
Singers like Joan, Joni, Janis, etc, are so important that they are just "singers"- they don't need a label, chick rock or otherwise.
For a good overview of Chick Rock you should get the album A Fair Forgery Of Pink Floyd. There are some wonderfully emotional performances by female artists. Although their are a few shitty ones as well.
This crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of Capitalism. Albert Einstein, "Why Socialism?" 1949
Janis was powerful and put emotion into every song- not only did she sing the songs, she lived them.
No. She sucked. Luckily for her, she was part of the 27 club. There are/were a thousand female artists that sang from the heart a thousand times better than that piece of Jack Daniels mess. She got her kudos from being white and people are suckers. How exactly did she 'live them'? Good for her, Pearl was a drunken whore whose legacy lives on for f*** knows what.
No. She sucked. Luckily for her, she was part of the 27 club. There are/were a thousand female artists that sang from the heart a thousand times better than that piece of Jack Daniels mess. She got her kudos from being white and people are suckers. How exactly did she 'live them'? Good for her, Pearl was a drunken whore whose legacy lives on for f*** knows what.
She wasn't the only drunken whore around. How about Keith Richards, Mick Jagger, Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, John Bonham...or can't they be whores because they're men?
What's that got to do with anything anyway?
Also, plenty of white musicians got kudos for being white. That's the way it was. Nothing unique to her. Again, has nothing to do with it. She had something that elevated her. And I don't think it's just because people are suckers. But everyone's entitled to their opinion.
She wasn't the only drunken whore around. How about Keith Richards, Mick Jagger, Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, John Bonham...or can't they be whores because they're men?
What's that got to do with anything anyway?
Also, plenty of white musicians got kudos for being white. That's the way it was. Nothing unique to her. Again, has nothing to do with it. She had something that elevated her. And I don't think it's just because people are suckers. But everyone's entitled to their opinion.
Um, those guys you named had/have talent. People look at Janis as really the first White woman who could sing heart-wrenching blues. She couldn't. She screamed, people thought it meant something, but, what the hell, Britny Spears has a star on the Walk of Fame, so what do I know?
I don't know, I'm not a musician or artist or anything so I can't really say one way or the other. I just know that when a song of hers comes on the radio I usually don't turn it off. But it's not like I go out of the way to listen to her or anything. The only band I really go out of the way to listen to is the Beatles. Oh, and sometimes Elton John. Don't tell me HE'S not talented now!
I don't know, I'm not a musician or artist or anything so I can't really say one way or the other. I just know that when a song of hers comes on the radio I usually don't turn it off. But it's not like I go out of the way to listen to her or anything. The only band I really go out of the way to listen to is the Beatles. Oh, and sometimes Elton John. Don't tell me HE'S not talented now!
Elton is supremely talented, especially with Bernie.
She wasn't the only drunken whore around. How about Keith Richards, Mick Jagger, Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, John Bonham...or can't they be whores because they're men?
The term is called Man-Whore, thank you very much.
Anyways, Janis was a very good singer, IMO. Like I've said before, I could care less what people have to say about a certain artist, because I like them.
And besides, you might not like her but I'd like to see you get on a microphone and do your best. I doubt its better than her's.
This crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of Capitalism. Albert Einstein, "Why Socialism?" 1949
Elton is supremely talented, especially with Bernie.
Yes. His style is supremely impressive. Almost like some cross from jazz piano and classical piano. His voice really is quite impressive too. Although I don't go out of my way to hear him, just as Sandra doesn't go out of her way to here non-Beatles and sometimes Elton artists, when I hear his songs, I listen well, and sometimes I even get into it.
This crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of Capitalism. Albert Einstein, "Why Socialism?" 1949
The term is called Man-Whore, thank you very much.
Anyways, Janis was a very good singer, IMO. Like I've said before, I could care less what people have to say about a certain artist, because I like them.
And besides, you might not like her but I'd like to see you get on a microphone and do your best. I doubt its better than her's.
It's I couldn't care less. Couldn't! And I NEVER said I didn't like her. Read the thread please.
Maybe it's areas, but it's could care less. As in, I could care less, because it's bothering me more than I should. DIfferent phrases.
And I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to Juniors.. I think, unless I mistyped something.
What were/are you talking about? I don't get it? That Janis had talent? We've gotten over that, she's sucks and unfortunately is dead. What else are you talking about? Go ahead and like Janis Joplin. In my eyes, she suck large, that shouldn't stop you from liking her. If you like people that are accomplished because they scream and have no talent--more power to you. There's alot of people that have made it because screaming and what not, that is taken for talent. And so it goes. I just never thought that you were one of those people. Enjoy. -D-
No. She sucked. Luckily for her, she was part of the 27 club. There are/were a thousand female artists that sang from the heart a thousand times better than that piece of Jack Daniels mess. She got her kudos from being white and people are suckers. How exactly did she 'live them'? Good for her, Pearl was a drunken whore whose legacy lives on for f*** knows what.
hey so now it is UNFORTUNATE that she died? because it is true that earlier you said 'luckily for her she was part of the 27' club.
and also we havent 'gotten over' the fact that she sucks and is dead, its just your one opinion on the subject, and i along with others happen to like her, so don't think you saying that will change everything.
I love this line from Legend Lennon: "and also we havent 'gotten over' the fact that she sucks and is dead..." At least you admit it. Unfurl the Pearl and hurl.
come duane tell me when you are bombed outta your gourd on whiskey..that she ain't good...in her defense tho.....she could hit notes and i don't think she had formal training either...she would play longer than most bands...big brother and the holding company were a good band too....but janis was a bit trollopy...she had to show her a** at parties and try to be the center of attention and out drink everybody at the whiskey a go go...she had moments just like most musicians...i can however neither confirm nor deny she sucked but i heard she swallowed.....
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