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Wayne L.
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I suppose Choose Love sold about 5 million copies in your mind even though it didn't.


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Have you bought a copy yet Wayne? Thats what really matters.


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Maybe I did, maybe I didn't.


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Maybe it sold 5 million copies and maybe it didnt.


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It was number one for about 12 weeks on Billboard I heard last year, whether it's true or not is up to you since you're so concerned.


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Ringo doesn't get Half the credit he should,imo.
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FWIW, I think Ringo's work was INDISPENSABLE in the Beatle's sound. I think that it would have been MUCH harder for them to sell records without Ringo.

Maybe this is dumb, but I really think it's true. For example, his drumming on "All I've Got to Do" is one of my favorite drum bits in the world. He's pretty hot on "Please Please Me" as well, the first single he ever played on. It goes on from there ...


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13 Reason People Should Respect RINGO!    ~Read themwhen you get a chance~
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Ringo was the first true rock drummer to be seen on TV. All the Rock & Roll drummers featured with Elvis, Bill Haley, Little Richard, Fats Domino and Jerry Lee Lewis were mostly R&B drummers that were making the transition from a swing drumming style of the 40's and 50's toward the louder and more "rocking" sound that is associated with "I Want To Hold Your Hand". They were dressed in tuxedos and suits and held the drumsticks in the "traditional" manner of military, orchestra, and jazz drummers. Ringo showed the world that power was needed to put the emphasis on the "rock" in Rock & Roll music, so he gripped both sticks like hammers and proceeded to build a foundation for rock music.


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Ringo changed the way drummers hold their sticks by making popular the "matched" grip of holding drumsticks. Nearly all drummers in the Western World prior to Ringo held their sticks in what is termed the "traditional" grip, with the left hand stick held like a chopstick. This grip was originally developed by military drummers to accomodate the angle of the drum when strapped over the shoulder. Ringo's grip changes the odd left hand to match the right hand, so that both sticks are held like a flyswatter. Rock drummers along with marching band and orchestral percussionists now mostly play with a "matched" grip, and drum companies have developed straps and accessories to accomodate them.


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Ringo started a trend of placing drummers on high risers so that they would be as visible as the other musicians. When Ringo appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show in 1964, he immediately caught the attention of thousands of "drummers to be" by towering over the other three Beatles. Elvis's drummer was looking at a collection of backs.


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These same "wannabe" drummers also noticed that Ringo was playing Ludwig drums and they immediately went out and bought thousands of these drumsets, thus establishing Ludwig as the definitive name in Rock & Roll drums at that time.


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Ringo changed the sound of recorded drums. About the time of Rubber Soul (released Dec. 6,1965), the sound of the drumset started to become more distinct. Along with help from the engineers at Abbey Road studios, Ringo popularized a new sound for the drums by tuning them lower, deadening the tonal ring with muffling materials, and making them sound "closer" by putting a microphone on each drum.


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Ringo has nearly perfect tempo. This allowed the Beatles to record a song 50 or 60 times, and then be able to edit together different parts of numerous takes of the same song for the best possible version. Today an electronic metronome is used for the same purpose, but the Beatles had to depend on Ringo to keep the tempo consistant throughout the dozens of takes of the songs that you know and love so well. Had he not had this ability, the Beatles recordings would sound completely different today.


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Ringo's "feel" for the beat serves as a standard for pop-rock record producers and drummers alike. It is relaxed, but never dragging. Solid, yet always breathing. And yes, there is a great amount of musical taste in his decisions of what to play and when to play it. In most recording sessions, the drummer's performance acts as a barometer for the rest of the musicians. The stylistic direction, dynamics, and emotions are filtered through the drummer. He is the catcher to whom the pitcher/songwriter is throwing. If the drumming doesn't feel good, the performance of any additional musicians is doomed from the start. The Beatles rarely if ever had this problem with Ringo.


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Ringo hated drum solos, which should win points with quite a few people. He only took one solo while with the Beatles. His eight measure solo appears during "The End" on the "B" side of Abbey Road. Some might say that it is not a great display of technical virtuosity, but they would be at least partially mistaken. You can set an electronic metronome to a perfect 126 beats per minute, then play it along with Ringo's solo and the two will stay exactly together.


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Ringo's ability to play odd time signatures helped to push popular songwriting into uncharted areas. Two examples are "All you Need is Love" in 7/4 time, and "Here Comes the Sun" with repeating 11/8, 4/4, and 7/8 passages in the chorus.


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Ringo's proficiency in many differen styles such as two beat swing ("When I'm Sixty-Four"), ballads ("Something"), R&B ("Leave My Kitten Alone" and "Taxman") and country (the Rubber Soul album) helped the Beatles to explore many musical directions with ease. His pre-Beatle experience as a versatile and hard working nightclub musician served him well.


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The idea that Ringo was a lucky Johnny-on-the-spot-with-a-showbiz-stage-name is wrong. In fact, when Beatle producer George Martin expressed his unhappiness after the first session with original drummer Pete Best, the decision was made by Paul, George, and John to hire who they considered to be the best drummer in Liverpool - Ringo Starr. His personality was a bonus.


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The rumors that Ringo did not play on many of the Beatle songs because he was not good enough are also false. In fact, he played on every released Beatles recording (not including Anthology 1) that include drums except for the following: "Back In The USSR" and "Dear Prudence", on which Paul played drums due to Ringo temporarily quitting the band, "The Ballad of John and Yoko", again featuring Paul on drums because Ringo was off making a movie, and a 1962 release of "Love Me Do" featuring session drummer Andy White.


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When the Beatles broke up and they were all trying to get away from each other, John Lennon chose Ringo to play drums on his first solo record. As John once said, "If I get a thing going Ringo knows where to go, just like that.." A great songwriter could ask no more of a drummer. Except maybe to smile and bob his head.  



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What a great list, DarkSweetLady! Thanks for posting.


All you've got to do is choose love.  That's how I live it now.  I learned a long time ago, I can feed the birds in my garden.  I can't feed them all. -- Ringo Starr, Rolling Stone magazine, May 2007

For all I know, Ringo might be a yogi disguised as a drummer! - George Harrison
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Great list DarkSweetLady!

I think a lot of Ringo's records lately have a very strong Beatle sound in them,
Vertical Man would have worked nicely in a Beatles record (maybe).



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George also said something about Ringo... he said like you don't have to tell Ringo what to do, you start playing a song and he just knows  what to do....



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Wow, DarkSweetLady...can I borrow that to shove in some people's faces? With one addition?

Number 14 - He was just a great guy in general.



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It would be great if Ringo was thought of in the same terms as the late, great Keith Moon, John Bohnam & Ginger Baker instead of being slightly dismissed.  


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Quoted from Wayne L.
It would be great if Ringo was thought of in the same terms as the late, great Keith Moon, John Bohnam & Ginger Baker instead of being slightly dismissed.  


Why are people thinking he's slightly dismissed? Who are this dismissing people?



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Quoted from DarkSweetLady
13 Reason People Should Respect RINGO!  


I'm a bit late, but... great list, DarkSweetLady!
Hehe, I remember reading it before on one of those Ringo sites... "Ringo Starr Homepage"... quite a good site actually.

And that site's got some more reasons to respect Ringo and to give him the credit he deserves:

http://web2.airmail.net/gshultz/drummer.html
("Ringo's importance as a drummer")

http://web2.airmail.net/gshultz/hartsoul.html
("Ringo's importance as a person")


Quoted from The Fox Drummer
With one addition?

Number 14 - He was just a great guy in general.


*strongly agrees*
Yeah, we should definitely add this one to the list. Go Ringo!  


Quoted from Andy Smith

I think a lot of Ringo's records lately have a very strong Beatle sound in them,
Vertical Man would have worked nicely in a Beatles record (maybe).


Sorry, I'm going slightly off-topic here, but... do you recommend Vertical Man, Andy Smith? That's about the only Ringo album I can find in the CD shops 'round here (besides "Ringo", which I've got   ), and I was thinking of buying it...



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