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Just for the record, regarding your quote of my words, I said Sir George did a great job.


See how daft I can be? I just got your joke!  


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No way, white album is like a long, mysterious journey, that i love everytime, and never tire off.
it's the bloody beatles white album for christ sake! (As paul may say)
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I think it should have been a triple disc


It's great...it sold...it's the bloody Beatles' White Album, shut up
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I think it should have been a triple disc


To include what?


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What's The New Mary Jane
for example ... and maybe others too ...


Here we go again. Obviously The Beatles themselves thought these were all not good enough to include on the album. Some were renewed and used for Abbey Road. But you can't be serious to state that Mary Jane could be on an album. George's songs were just not good enough. They tried to record Not Guilty in more than a hundred takes and it remains mediocre.
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Child Of Nature
Not Guilty
Soar Milk Sea
Circles
Mean Mr Mustard
Polithene Pam
Across The Universe
What's The New Mary Jane
for example ... and maybe others too ...


Most of these apart from Across The Universe were unfinished. In fact George didn't even re-record Not Guilty and Circles for some years.


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Here we go again. Obviously The Beatles themselves thought these were all not good enough to include on the album. Some were renewed and used for Abbey Road. But you can't be serious to state that Mary Jane could be on an album. George's songs were just not good enough. They tried to record Not Guilty in more than a hundred takes and it remains mediocre.


Here we go again (only if you want).
ShesCominDownFastYesSheIs talked about a triple disc and BlueMeanie asked what to be included? Right?

Now, the guys recorded what they thought it was the best stuff (tho John loved Revolution 9 and Paul had to look away) ... but if they would have wanted a triple disc they had enough songs (that's the thing and here the discussion could easily end) ...

... not good enough to include on the album? or they hadn't space enough for everything?

... why not Mary Jane if the album would have been a triple one if Revolution 9 is on the double? ... if people think a single album would have been better a triple album would have been worse, nah?

About mediocre songs: we've got some (about a quarter of it) in the released album so I can't see the point ... and they recorded about a hundred times Sexy Sadie too and it remains good or bad or whatever ...
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Most of these apart from Across The Universe were unfinished. In fact George didn't even re-record Not Guilty and Circles for some years.


Which ones? ... they changed some lyrics later but they used to do it while hey were recording ... anyway, they were recorded almost with the same form as we know they had by that time ... short songs in some cases? and Wild Honey Pie and others? ...

... George had a lot of songs in the early 70s (he even gave away some) and most of them were better than circles or Not Guilty ... he said that Art Of Dying, for example, was began in 1966 and there were some others already began ...

(we discussed something here):
http://dmbeatles.com/forums/b-albums/m-1130104843/s-all/ (replies 37 and 50)

so there was unfinished stuff, y'know ... anyway, there was enough stuff for a third disc, wasn't it?
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Well, you're talking to someone who thinks it should have been a single album anyway


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Well, you're talking to someone who thinks it should have been a single album anyway


Well, I've always said that this album contains some bad, mediocre, good and great songs   ... no much quality balance on it ... some tracks are among the worst they ever produced but it's still one of their best albums ... and they recorded in a way that could have worked for the early 70s ... I mean, they could have still produced albums like this very easily  
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Child Of Nature
Not Guilty
Soar Milk Sea
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Mean Mr Mustard
Polithene Pam
Across The Universe
What's The New Mary Jane
for example ... and maybe others too ...


... and I forgot Look At Me and Junk   ... and with all those songs we've got about 30 minutes more: a triple album for sure (now I'm not sure if they should have done that: a triple album, I mean ... they had better stuff than some of the released on the double album, for sure, so why not?)
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It's a classic and fine just the way it is.  The Mona Lisa would probably look better with lipstick on her as well, but no-one wants to change her.

Sure, a few tracks are "filler" and obviously it was because of pure bloody mindedness by the composer that these tracks remained.  I agree the album meanders around and has no set tone or direction, but that's the beauty of it.  For years before and since, albums were structured with like songs, telling similar stories, taking the listener on the same journey.  (Well, since about 1965 or so anyways...)

Once again, The Beatles were trailblazing.  Heavy Metal, Psuedo Punk, Country & Western, Music Hall, Avante Guarde, Pop, Rock and Psychedelia - all these genres are there.  What a trip man.  And I wouldn't want to change a thing.

Of course one doesn't have to listen to it in one go (although I prefer to), so burn your favourite tracks from the album onto a blank CD or save 'em to your i-POD.  Me, I'll just keep finding time to listen to it in it's entirety.

Cheers  




Here's another clue for you all; the Walrus was Paul...
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Here we go again (only if you want).
ShesCominDownFastYesSheIs talked about a triple disc and BlueMeanie asked what to be included? Right?

Now, the guys recorded what they thought it was the best stuff (tho John loved Revolution 9 and Paul had to look away) ... but if they would have wanted a triple disc they had enough songs (that's the thing and here the discussion could easily end) ...

... not good enough to include on the album? or they hadn't space enough for everything?

... why not Mary Jane if the album would have been a triple one if Revolution 9 is on the double? ... if people think a single album would have been better a triple album would have been worse, nah?

About mediocre songs: we've got some (about a quarter of it) in the released album so I can't see the point ... and they recorded about a hundred times Sexy Sadie too and it remains good or bad or whatever ...


I meant to sound sarcastic (which I guess is hard without talking lol) when I said it should be a triple disc. I was just trying to empathize that I am totally against the idea of it being just a single disc. it's perfect how it is.

but in the grand tradition of removing Revolution 9 from the White album, I've often thought that You Know My Name (Look Up the Number) could be a nice interlude before Good Night. It would be bizarre (which is what I guess John went for with Number 9) but it's much more listenable.

Let's hear it for Denis O'Bell!


It's great...it sold...it's the bloody Beatles' White Album, shut up
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but in the grand tradition of removing Revolution 9 from the White album, I've often thought that You Know My Name (Look Up the Number) could be a nice interlude before Good Night. [...]


Another one I'd for-got-10!
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