I don't think it's as simple as all that. Bob had an influence mainly on Lennon and how he wrote lyrics. I don't think Bob's influence was all that encompassing. The Beatles were influenced by MANY things. They did things in the studio that Bob never even dreamed of. If Lennon became a more introspective lyricist thanks to Bob, than that's great but I think that's pretty much the end of it. I don't think Dylan changed the way the Beatles made music. Lennon copied his style only very briefly. McCartney had his own style and influences including things like the Beach Boys, avant garde and so on. Lennon also fed off of many influences and lets not forget about George. Dylan was just another piece of the puzzle. As for the political aspect of it, I think they would have spoken out sooner or later anyway. That's just the way the tide was turning.
Yeah - you're probably right. I got a bit carried away there. There's never any one simple answer to these things. Music evolves with everyone adding their bit, and we could trace influences back to Zog banging a rock. Sandra's right - it was just the way it was heading. Mairi - I was trying to be funny (and failing), not sarcastic. (well maybe a little) Apologies.
I think I'm looking pretty admiring in that picture.
You can't fool me, BM. That smile is just painted on!
Kevin, there's no need to apologize! I was just trying to be playful. I did take it as funny, which is why this picture sprang to mind. Now, back to the musical discussion.
(Wait a minute-- reads Kevin's response again) You said Mairi and not Hari. I'm blind. *stumbles off to get more coffee*
All you've got to do is choose love. That's how I live it now. I learned a long time ago, I can feed the birds in my garden. I can't feed them all. -- Ringo Starr, Rolling Stone magazine, May 2007
For all I know, Ringo might be a yogi disguised as a drummer! - George Harrison
^I'm a bit annoyed with myself over that. I'm really into human evolution, and reading all those books has changed the way I think about things. I try to put the same reasoning to Beatles music (hence my recent obsession with the why's rather than the how's) and to put all my eggs in the Bob Basket like that was just plain dumb. Dumb dumb dumb. Bob's my Piltdown Man and I'm the Charles Dawson of DM's. I have to go wipe myself now.
Nothing to do with his influence on the Beatles but just a random thought on Bob.
I was listening to Highway 61 last night and Queen Jane Approximately came on (which is purportedly about Joan Baez). It got me thinking what a jerk he could be back in those days. He has a lot of nerve to write a song like that about her, putting her down. After all, he was the one who treated her like crap, cheated on her, and broke her heart. Just goes to show that you can be the total a**hole in a relationship, but if you write a good enough song about it, people will take your side.
I still love him though, of course. He was arrogant as hell in the '60s but he was only in his early twenties. I don't know too much about his relationship with Sara but I hope he's learned to treat women a little better.
I'm an alligator, I'm a mama-papa coming for you I'm the space invader, I'll be a rock 'n' rollin' b**** for you Keep your mouth shut, you're squawking like a pink monkey bird And I'm busting up my brains for the words
^Agreed Mairi. Can't stand the guy. In his autobiography he calls himself a visionary. His delight in torturing John in the cab scene is excrutiating. He's a tosser.
I'm an alligator, I'm a mama-papa coming for you I'm the space invader, I'll be a rock 'n' rollin' b**** for you Keep your mouth shut, you're squawking like a pink monkey bird And I'm busting up my brains for the words
Oh, that's interesting! Can you tell me more about that? Cheers.
All you've got to do is choose love. That's how I live it now. I learned a long time ago, I can feed the birds in my garden. I can't feed them all. -- Ringo Starr, Rolling Stone magazine, May 2007
For all I know, Ringo might be a yogi disguised as a drummer! - George Harrison
Any genius worth his salt has to be a little crazy.
I don't even know what "worth his salt" means, but it sounded good so there you go.
OK, here we go. Many moons ago salt was a very valuable commodity. In fact Roman soldiers were often paid in salt (Salis - where the word salary is derived from) so they could trade it. So the expression 'Anybody worth his salt' is taken to mean somebody who deserves what they are being paid.
Having trouble thinking of a genius who isn't slightly nuts. But then, I'm having trouble thinking of anyone I personally know who isn't either!!
There does to be a connection between being a highly creative personality and being a little off-balance. I have an artist in the family, and in order to keep the peace I have to give her special dispensation to be... an irritant.
This is not meant to excuse creative people when they hurt the ones that they love. I just think that a number of creative people are not as calm or kind as some others. We all have our strengths... and weaknesses.
All you've got to do is choose love. That's how I live it now. I learned a long time ago, I can feed the birds in my garden. I can't feed them all. -- Ringo Starr, Rolling Stone magazine, May 2007
For all I know, Ringo might be a yogi disguised as a drummer! - George Harrison
[...] In his autobiography he calls himself a visionary. [...]
So I wonder what he would consider his vision to be? Wouldn't we know by now? The thing that annoys me about Dylan is the way a lot of people seem to speak of him in as though he's some kind of great hero. Dylan made a film in the eighties (anyone heard of it?), for which a documentary was also made. The funny part was when Dylan's agent, or whoever, was telling someone forcefully on the phone that something was not good enough for 'BOB DYLAN!!!' Had a good laugh at it later on with someone else who saw it.
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