[...] I dont want to come across as a George basher, but YES, I can actually see the Beatles being as good or better without George (in the early days before he became an efficient songwriter). Lets be honest, The Beatles were John and Paul in the early going and George played shitty as much as he played well in those days. [...]
Yep, you all can wait ... and I can wait too till some explain to me why to say this^ when he was still learning the instrument and the rest of the band was a shame sometimes too (as songwriters, singers or playing -they all were still learning how to do all those things-) ... it's out of place, in my opinion, and I can't understand why, if we're discussing his whole career as a guitarist, we should pay at10tion to his early stage to prove ... what? what exactly?
I agree totally with Tkitna and BlueMeanie. If I may use my normal example - when someone else plays lead (ie Paul or John) no one notices the difference.[...]
Maybe some people and with a few songs they don't notice it but that happens with almost every guitarist, I can't see a rule there ... anyway, that doesn't mean necaesareanily that George didn't have his own style and sound and way of playing and listening to sevenral songs anyone could easily notice when George was playing ...
Jimi Hendrix is so overated i totally agree... he only had 1 number 1 hit and he didn't even write it... he also always destroyed guitars on stage.. ok... thats stupid... i never understood that...
about the George statement...Dhani said he watched him for years and a couple other people did and still couldn't understand how he could make the noises he created...
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... when someone else plays lead (ie Paul or John) no one notices the difference ...
Respectfully, I have to disagree with this:
- When John played lead, it was painfully obvious ... his leads were almost always amateurish when compared to George. I'm thinking of "You can't do that", "Long Tall Sally", for example - I'm not sure those would have made it to radio play if it hadn't been John Lennon playing them. I can't think of one solo he did that would be confused with George (even perhaps his best, on Get Back, didn't' sound like George, just like John had practiced something a lot). Can anyone give some examples of solos John played that "no one notices the difference"?
Sometimes when Paul played, it sounded like George ... and that is the key thing, he sounded like George! I think it's more that the lead guitar style Paul developed was heavily influenced by George, not that George had a vanilla or forgettable style. That's not all that surprising in my book, familiarity breeding imitation in this case. To go further with that, to a certain degree George helped define rock and roll guitar style ... it's not surprising that many other hit songs from that period have solos that sound George-like.
Then when George went into slide, that of course was a sound that no one else could imitate
I love John, I love Paul, And George and Ringo, I love them all!
I'm not a guitar player, and this is only from memory, but here's two I can think of off the top of my head:
1) That piercing shrieking solo in Yer Blues (after John's guttural repepitive solo) - I can't recall that sound on another record.
2) And here's one not that no one else COULD do this, but George was the first one TO do it ... on "Yes It Is", the little phrases he does was the first use of the volume-tone pedal on a recording, from what I've read. It became a standard tool in the guitarists arsenal, and George was the first. Not too bad!
I love John, I love Paul, And George and Ringo, I love them all!
I hate that kind of thing, it annoys me. I heard that Ravi Shanker saw him at Montary & said how he coundn't understand how he could destroy an instrument like that!
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Yep, you all can wait ... and I can wait too till some explain to me why to say this^ when he was still learning the instrument and the rest of the band was a shame sometimes too (as songwriters, singers or playing -they all were still learning how to do all those things-) ... it's out of place, in my opinion, and I can't understand why, if we're discussing his whole career as a guitarist, we should pay at10tion to his early stage to prove ... what? what exactly?
My response was to the statement that the Beatles wouldnt have been as big without George, and I threw out the bullshit flag. They scrapped Pete Best and made it without him although Pete was a member as they were coming up in the ranks. They would have made it without George too was my point. They would NOT have made it without John or Paul. Why, because they were the song writers and George was only a guitar player in the early days, hence my response. Cripes, out of all the members, George had the least personalitiy even. It shouldnt be hard for you to understand. I feel that George was the least vital of all the members according to their success. I love the guy, but thats my opinion.
Here's another point i'm going to make. Regarding George's guitar sound (and I like his solo stuff alot,,,way more than Johns solo stuff), unfortunately, he'll be remembered for that whiney, shreiking steel slide sound that accompanies most of his solo stuff. Seriously, throw on a George solo album like 33 1/3 or something and tell me that almost every song doesnt almost sound exactly alike. Its the freaking guitar i'm telling you. His Beatle stuff was more varied and not so repetitive like his solo stuff. George has some great stuff out there, but I just cant say that he was one of the greatest guitarists ever.