Definately their rise in Britain was natural - no hype needed. But I'm always a bit suspicious of the US thing. Their singles bombed when the audience were unaware of the image. All that hype, the rumours of Capitol planting the screaming girls, the whole "The Beatles are coming" thing engineered by the marketting people.
No hype nowhere ... I was answering to the comment about their confidence and Guymania ... and how Sir George could have seen them after few months of working ... they were invited by the Queen to play in the Royal Royal Variety Performance 8 monts after their first album was released so they had to feel very confidence ... enough to even say what John said in the intro to Twist And Shout ...
... anyway, their success in US was not born in a dark night ... people surely knew they were very successful in UK or at least the radio DJs would surely announced it when they introduced I Want To Hold Your Hand ... the promo was huge, y'know ... if the rest of Europe was begining to know them it was obvious that their success in US was a matter of time (more sharing the language ) ... the sice of it it's another thing ... of their US success, I mean!
. In fact the only Beatles wrist-slitter I can think of is Yer Blues (good on you John - nothing like a happy relationship with a good woman to give the world a positive slant) .
Though thinking about it he was probably just parodying the doom and gloom of Blues music
No hype nowhere ... I was answering to the comment about their confidence and Guymania ... and how Sir George could have seen them after few months of working ... they were invited by the Queen to play in the Royal Royal Variety Performance 8 monts after their first album was released so they had to feel very confidence ... enough to even say what John said in the intro to Twist And Shout ...
Good points. Just for the record, I don't think the Queen writes out the invite list. She endures those concerts more than anything I think - like opening hospitals or watching hours of Belineze folk dancing. Pinky and Perky were on the cast list as well (singing wooden pig-puppets) The John comment (I take it it's the rattle jewelery thing.) For years I'd only seen it written down, and I thought it was very off the cuff and witty. But when I hear him actually say it he's quite hesitant and you can tell it's premeditated and rehearsed, which takes a little of the shine off. Am I sounding negative? It's just that it's too easy going on about the good things all the time. It works my brain more to go "but..." I really do love and admire them you know.
[...] The John comment (I take it it's the rattle jewelery thing.) For years I'd only seen it written down, and I thought it was very off the cuff and witty. But when I hear him actually say it he's quite hesitant and you can tell it's premeditated and rehearsed, which takes a little of the shine off. [...]
He's obviously hesitant (that smile at the end! ) ... and because it was premeditated it's more important and meaningful to me than if it would have been one of those John's improptus ... it means that they had confidence and not that they only had confidence just at that very moment of the intro to the song ... it's definetelly the(ir) sign, if you know what I mean!
I think we just hear it differently. That kind of respectful irreverance is a very english tradition, and they were expected to be cheeky-chappy working class lads. It was a very english show-bizz thing to do, and John looks as nervous as hell (but I know I digress and focus on John - who imo always looks uncomfortable when in the public glare and you're talking about the band as a whole.) Yes, they must have been confident - but they didn't have much under their belts and they and everyone else expected their bubble to burst sooner than later. Pinky and Perky didn't go on to greatness. Mind, they are the most famous wooden pig-puppets in the world, and somewhere in the universe that must count for something.
However, speaking of the Beatles' rise in America, I don't think it was so much a matter of hype as the peculiar niche markets that America has. What the Beatles' recordings went out on were tiny little labels that didn't have any distribution. I assume that America worked then pretty much the way that it works today; if you don't get the promotion, you don't get the airplay. If you don't get the airplay, you don't get the sales. If you don't get the sales, you won't get any promotion money or airplay! It's interesting that the markets in which the Beatles were introduced by a few rogue DJs (Washington DC, Chicago, New York) generated sales and led Capitol to increase its first pressing of "I want to hold your hand" by about 200%-- fortunately!
I think the Beatles were exposed to a national audience in England much sooner than they were in America-- right at the time that "please please me" was going towards number one-- simply because England had a much more unified mass media system. In America, the Beatles had no national exposure for their first four records. The Ed Sullivan show gave them that exposure, and then their records took off nationally. Fortunately, Capitol had pressed enough that they could support the boom. I don't know what these little labels did; they must've been pressing round-the-clock!
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I think we just hear it differently. That kind of respectful irreverance is a very english tradition, and they were expected to be cheeky-chappy working class lads. [...]
Then I hope I'm the only one who has haerd it in that way ...
[...]It was a very english show-bizz thing to do, and John looks as nervous as hell (but I know I digress and focus on John - who imo always looks uncomfortable when in the public glare and you're talking about the band as a whole.)[...]
Yep, I'm talking about the idea of that comment at the end of their performance (Twist And Shout ued to be the last number so ...) ... John uncomfortable?! Even when he was kidding looks so ... something like this :
[...] Yes, they must have been confident - but they didn't have much under their belts and they and everyone else expected their bubble to burst sooner than later. [...]
Yep, they had to tell that too ... but by late 1963 it was too soon to say if they'd have more success or not ... they were still number 1 with their first album and with their last singles and there was no sign of a failure on the shore: they were conquering Sweden and the hearts of the English people (or so it's been said since then)!
John had intended to say "fucking jewelry", but was persuaded against doing so by Paul McCartney and the group's manager Brian Epstein. I think I once read somewhere that John just wanted to say something rebellious. This was the best he could come up with. I disagree with raxo: because it was rehearsed, it seems to have lesser meaning and it was probably the reason why he was nervous about it. I would have been more 'typical John' if it had come up as an impromptu thing. Now it seems to be a more reasonable thing instead of coming from the heart.
I think the Beatles were exposed to a national audience in England much sooner than they were in America-- right at the time that "please please me" was going towards number one-- simply because England had a much more unified mass media system.
They were on national radio (BBC) before they even had a record deal. 8th March 1962, to be precise!
John had intended to say "fucking jewelry", but was persuaded against doing so by Paul McCartney and the group's manager Brian Epstein. I think I once read somewhere that John just wanted to say something rebellious. This was the best he could come up with. I disagree with raxo: because it was rehearsed, it seems to have lesser meaning and it was probably the reason why he was nervous about it. I would have been more 'typical John' if it had come up as an impromptu thing. Now it seems to be a more reasonable thing instead of coming from the heart.
Im glad he didn't. That would definately have been the end of The Beatles. Swearing on live TV in 1964 would have caused an outrage. And in front of The Big Cheese!
And it looked rehearsed to me. You see him glance over to Paul just before he says it.
I just want you to reassure him - talk to him, make him see the error of his ways. Then I'll hit him.
It was rehearsed as i've read in books & heard by beatle people. You could image Brian Epstein shaking in his boots thinking, 'christ, john..don't swear!'
It's been a Hard Days Night & i've been working like a dog!
It was rehearsed as i've read in books & heard by beatle people. You could image Brian Epstein shaking in his boots thinking, 'christ, john..don't swear!'
Paul would now be in a cover band, playing weddings and singing Brown Sugar!!!
I just want you to reassure him - talk to him, make him see the error of his ways. Then I'll hit him.
John and Brian would move to Spain. John would murder Brian in a drug/alcholhol frenzy in 1966.
George would join the Moonies and never be heard of again. Ringo goes on to win Best Actor Oscar for his portrayal of an alcoholic, drug adicted ex-pop star down on his luck. The award is presented by Betty Ford.
I just want you to reassure him - talk to him, make him see the error of his ways. Then I'll hit him.
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... but that event was very significant ...
Mind, they are the most famous wooden pig-puppets in the world, and somewhere in the universe that must count for something.
