Ah, lord Woodbine. Interesting stories Marshall. Thanx for that.

i wish there was more...allan always got credit but woody did more...

Yeah, those were some pretty cool links Marshall.

Nice read.  Forget Backbeat.  Now this would be a great Beatles movie.  The young Beatles and Lord Woodbine in the van.  

Aren't there any more pictures of Woody besides the one at the War Memorial ('Their Name Liveth...')?

i can only find that one and my avatar one...

I bet this isn't him, is it? http://www.musclephotos.com/prtfolio/harold/harold2.html

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I bet this isn't him, is it? http://www.musclephotos.com/prtfolio/harold/harold2.html

I guess while the Beatles were popping amphetamines in the Van, he was shooting HGH.  

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I bet this isn't him, is it? http://www.musclephotos.com/prtfolio/harold/harold2.html

no thats not him...he was a jazz musician in the late 50s...i don't think he was aging that good....

PC, you just don't know how those hormones work!  

Paul looks like he could use some 'roids.  

hema?
williams was a sneaky bastard...he tried to sell the star club tapes to george and ringo in the early seventies....he stole woodys lime light....his book was full of half truths and was probally more of a crow of vanity than a history of the era...

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hema?
williams was a sneaky bastard...he tried to sell the star club tapes to george and ringo in the early seventies....he stole woodys lime light....his book was full of half truths and was probally more of a crow of vanity than a history of the era...

Didn't Paul say about Allan's book: "Congratulations on your book, Allan. There's actually some things in it that are true."

But, has Allan Williams got too much credit over the years? Has he made himself more important (by his book for instance) than he really was in the Beatles history? I understood Mona Best arranged a lot for The Beatles in the early years, but she hardly ever gets mentioned. Allan Williams has painted an image of himself as a hardworking man who is just trying to earn some money in a more or less honest way. I guess he arranged some things and booked The Beatles in his clubs and Hamburg. But what else?

Here's another link:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20000707/ai_n14327504

and one about the black music scene in Liverpool in the 50's:

http://www.geocities.com/soulpooluk/remember.htm