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pc31
April 26, 2007, 10:48am Report to Moderator

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Ah, lord Woodbine. Interesting stories Marshall. Thanx for that.
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April 26, 2007, 11:36am Report to Moderator

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i wish there was more...allan always got credit but woody did more...


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April 27, 2007, 1:40am Report to Moderator

I'm a Moondog,,,,,are you?
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Yeah, those were some pretty cool links Marshall.


http://com1.runboard.com/bthemoondogs                        
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"The dude abides."
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Nice read.  Forget Backbeat.  Now this would be a great Beatles movie.  The young Beatles and Lord Woodbine in the van.  
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Aren't there any more pictures of Woody besides the one at the War Memorial ('Their Name Liveth...')?
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April 27, 2007, 9:43am Report to Moderator

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i can only find that one and my avatar one...


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I guess while the Beatles were popping amphetamines in the Van, he was shooting HGH.  
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no thats not him...he was a jazz musician in the late 50s...i don't think he was aging that good....


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PC, you just don't know how those hormones work!  

Paul looks like he could use some 'roids.  
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hema?
williams was a sneaky bastard...he tried to sell the star club tapes to george and ringo in the early seventies....he stole woodys lime light....his book was full of half truths and was probally more of a crow of vanity than a history of the era...


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hema?
williams was a sneaky bastard...he tried to sell the star club tapes to george and ringo in the early seventies....he stole woodys lime light....his book was full of half truths and was probally more of a crow of vanity than a history of the era...


Didn't Paul say about Allan's book: "Congratulations on your book, Allan. There's actually some things in it that are true."
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But, has Allan Williams got too much credit over the years? Has he made himself more important (by his book for instance) than he really was in the Beatles history? I understood Mona Best arranged a lot for The Beatles in the early years, but she hardly ever gets mentioned. Allan Williams has painted an image of himself as a hardworking man who is just trying to earn some money in a more or less honest way. I guess he arranged some things and booked The Beatles in his clubs and Hamburg. But what else?
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Here's another link:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20000707/ai_n14327504

and one about the black music scene in Liverpool in the 50's:

http://www.geocities.com/soulpooluk/remember.htm


I just want you to reassure him - talk to him, make him see the error of his ways. Then I'll hit him.
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Very interesting reads. Thanks Paul.
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But, has Allan Williams got too much credit over the years? Has he made himself more important (by his book for instance) than he really was in the Beatles history? I understood Mona Best arranged a lot for The Beatles in the early years, but she hardly ever gets mentioned. Allan Williams has painted an image of himself as a hardworking man who is just trying to earn some money in a more or less honest way. I guess he arranged some things and booked The Beatles in his clubs and Hamburg. But what else?

yeah true mona did...but that was mostly in her basement tho.....the casbah club was her basement...so does that really count???those english were weird cramming kids in like sardines,and those things were damp and humid..i bet that was a cool assed party,all nighters i bet...mona fecking one of the student fans...just a typical basement party officer...my son and his 50 friends..no they are drinking tea......i wonder where cellar hanging out became cool?who started cellar parties???over here its garages....the beatles were atcually a cellar band so the cellar is underground so they were part of the underground music scene...it so logical...tara


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Could this possibly be Woody? Pictures taken 6th April 1962, New Brighton.




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The date is most probably wrong, Paul. Not sure about the guy on the pictures tho. If I get the right date, I can look it up.
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The date is most probably wrong, Paul. Not sure about the guy on the pictures tho. If I get the right date, I can look it up.


Sorry, that'll be 1962. And I've just found out it's Emile Ford.


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Woody was a character. He was given the name because he smoked cheap cigarettes called Woodbines. Lord was a grandiose title he gave to himself, just as he called his steel band The Royal Carribbean Steel Band.
I remember when we were going on the Cavern trip to Hamburg. Woody turned up at Speke Airport, although he hadn't booked a ticket for the trip. Because there was extra room on the plane he blagged his way onto it - and he'd brought his passport with him, of course! He then started to take Polaroid pictures of the kids during the flight and earned himself some money. After we landed we didn't see him again until the flight home. He'd spent his time with what money he'd got, bartering at the market. He was a fantastic hustler. He then came on the plane with several watches. Then he got a number of the girls to each put a watch on so he could get through customs.
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Could this possibly be Woody? Pictures taken 6th April 1962, New Brighton.




This is Emile Ford
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I've mentioned that the pics were with Emile Ford. The only picture of Woody that I know is the one taken at the Arnhem Cemetary on their way to hamburg.
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How was the whole trip of the Beatles (and other bands) to Hamburg looked at on the Merseyside?
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It gave a boost to everything. Dozens of Mersey groups were to appear in Hamburg and their attraction, together with groups from Glasgow and other cities, such as the Bobby Patrick Big Six and Cliff Bennett & the Rebel Rousers, inspired the growth of local German groups such as the Rattles and the Bats. Liverpool artists literally decided to decamp and live there - Kingsize Taylor & the Dominoes, the Liverbirds, with one of the Liverbirds marrying one of the Rattles. It was a really great relationship. When we went on the Cavern trip to Hamburg with Ray McFall, me and Virginia, Alan Williams, Lord Woodbine and scores of Cavernites, we arrived to be told on landing that John F Kennedy had just been assassinated. As a result of the groups, Manfred Weissleder began to open Star Clubs all over Germany - Keil, Berlin etc. He asked me and Virginia to come and live in Hamburg and he'd provide a house and a car if we started Germany's first rock magazine. I turned him down but agreed to write for him and Star Club News was launched. In return for my writing regularly he took a series of colour transparencies of the Beatles on stage at the club for me. I used one on the cover of Mersey Beat and lent a friend Henri Henriod the other trannies. He never gave them back to me. I learned years later that he'd auctioned them, even though they were my property.
Sorry, I'm writing too much, I notice messages on forums are only a few sentences. I'll have to learn to be brief.
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you can post as long a reply as you want...there is not set length to a post....most of us just don't have too much to say...
you can't be as bad as one guy who use to come here trying to prove he was king of the hill...


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