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BlueMeanie
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On March 12 and 13, 1963, The Beatles played in Bedford and York respectively, without John, who was suffering from a bad head cold. Has anyone ever seen any pictures of these performances? I don't ever recall seeing pictures of just the three of them on stage.


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Oops, sorry. 1963.


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You'd feel cheated though wouldn't you? No one mocking the disabled! It just wouldn't be The Beatles.


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They probably got Neil to stand in for him.  


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It mentioned it in the Anthology, but I think it would've showed pictures if they'd existed. So probably not.



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They probably got Neil to stand in for him.  


I've seen pictures of Mal Evans standing in for George during a rehearsal.


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You're sure it wasn't Neil Aspinall for the Ed Sullivan Show rehearsals?
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You're sure it wasn't Neil Aspinall for the Ed Sullivan Show rehearsals?


I'm sure I remember him being short and stocky. I'll look it up in the book when I get a minute.


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Haha, I have a great picture of Neil standing up at the microphone yelling at the crowd to send the cameramen away. John thought he looked like Hitler mid-rally...I must agree, he looks pretty insane as it was very windy and his hair is everywhere...



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On March 12 and 13, 1963, The Beatles played in Bedford and York respectively, without John, who was suffering from a bad head cold. Has anyone ever seen any pictures of these performances? I don't ever recall seeing pictures of just the three of them on stage.



Bump for this one. I can't imagine that happening!


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I think it would be great! I mean, not that John wasn't there, but it would so obviously not be the Beatles. I can imagine the rest of them cutting up and making a huge jokes all through the performance-- perhaps deliberately butchering songs. It would have been hilarious! (Or so my imagination tells me...)


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Come on people, there must be some pictures somewhere?


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Did Mal and Neil know the guitar parts for the songs? Or did they just stand up there just to give the band 4 people?


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Did Mal and Neil know the guitar parts for the songs? Or did they just stand up there just to give the band 4 people?


Neil stood in for George during a camera rehearsal prior to a Johnny Carson show. George was their for the real thing.


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I'm gonna bump in case some new reader MIGHT happen to have some pics!


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And George and Ringo,
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On March 12 and 13, 1963, The Beatles played in Bedford and York respectively, without John, who was suffering from a bad head cold. Has anyone ever seen any pictures of these performances? I don't ever recall seeing pictures of just the three of them on stage.


Mark Lewisohn added March 14. So it's three nights without John.
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Mark Lewisohn added March 14. So it's three nights without John.


Even more reason for there to be pictures. I'm amazed that no press photo's have surfaced.


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I looked in some archivebooks of the newspapers. But most of them started covering the Beatles on a continuing base from the second half of 1963, when Beatlemania was really in control of the UK. These early 1963-concerts remained unnoticed by the big papers. Still, it would be strange if there wouldn't be a picture at all.
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Here's a performance without a drummer! (Even though drumming is audible!) It's from the performance in Melbourne, Australia, June 1964. Where's Jimmy? Where's Ringo?

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This is eyewitnesses talking. According to them, The Beatles did fairly well without John. I found it on a site leading to the Gaumont Theatre in Wolverhampton (March 14 show):

In 1963 the Beatles appeared at the town's Gaumont Cinema on two occasions, in March and in November. Their first appearance was 'third' on the bill, below two American performers, Chris Montez and Tommy Roe.
While hindsight obviously colours judgements, a number of Wulfrunians who witnessed that first performance (by a trio, since John Lennon was ill) provide the following statements:

"I went to see Chris Montez because I really loved Let's Dance but the three Beatles really stole the show because they played such exciting music. It was at the time when Please, Please Me was in the charts so many of us had already heard the Beatles but their live performance was something else."

"I had seen the Beatles at the Plaza in Old Hill so I knew what to expect because they had blown the place apart with their sensational beat. In fact they probably weren’t as good at the Gaumont as they had been at the Plaza.”

"I had always been mad on Rock 'n' Roll but there had been very few real rockers among the British acts. I reckon the Beatles were the first true rock 'n' roll group I ever heard from this country. That performance at the Gaumont was my first experience of the Beatles. The next day I went out and bought their recording of Please, Please Me."

"I went to see that package show with two school mates from the Grammar School. We had actually gone to see Tommy Roe but the Beatles were the stars. They closed the first half, if I remember right. The kids who were there thought they were great. I bet the local sales of Please, Please Me quadrupled after that show."

"I didn't even know that the Beatles were a quartet but I thought they were superb that night, even as a trio. Paul McCartney's voice was fabulous."
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"I didn't even know that the Beatles were a quartet but I thought they were superb that night, even as a trio. Paul McCartney's voice was fabulous."

LOL! That brings it back. "I didn't even know that the Beatles were a quartet..." Ah, innocent days. Great quotes!

Cor, you really do know that Ringo is there, on the high riser? You can see his shadow 20 seconds in. This Australian show was recorded, and IIRC it's the one where Ringo returns to join them after his illness. Cheers!


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Cor, you really do know that Ringo is there, on the high riser? You can see his shadow 20 seconds in. This Australian show was recorded, and IIRC it's the one where Ringo returns to join them after his illness. Cheers!


Ah! I thought it would take much longer before somebody really found out. You're too good. On other parts of this filmed show, you can tell that Ringo is really there. The drumkit that is visible on this part obviously belongs to a band from the support acts.  
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Sorry! You can delete my comment if you want to fool the unwary.

I really love this show, and have played it many times. I also enjoy the Australian memories of the tour. A random link to the series is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2lZ2I5u598


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For all I know, Ringo might be a yogi disguised as a drummer! - George Harrison
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Sorry! You can delete my comment if you want to fool the unwary.

I really love this show, and have played it many times. I also enjoy the Australian memories of the tour. A random link to the series is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2lZ2I5u598



Hi Harihead -Are you an Aussie?


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And George and Ringo,
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hey don't make fun of Mal...he was in charge of the alarm clock before the "middle eight" on the "Day In The Life" recording (see Anthology Vol 2)

see, he wasn't just our favorite roadie, now was he ?    

r.i.p Mal Evans
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Hi Harihead -Are you an Aussie?

No, I'm American. Sorry, not my fault!

I have a friend who's an Aussie and I always tell her she talks wrong. She doesn't sound a bit like Paul Hogan! (She's a hoot-- I must get to Austrailia someday...)




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The Beatles probably could have continued on without John, since John was the one leaving the band first.  He made the announcement in 1969, but promised not to go public until a certain preordined time.  

The problem with that, though, is that George Harrison couldn't stand Paul McCartney, so there goes The Threetles.
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The problem with that, though, is that George Harrison couldn't stand Paul McCartney, so there goes The Threetles.


Here we go again...
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Here we go again...


I'm keeping out of this one!


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