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Bobber
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I am trying to find some more stuff about the disastrous stay in the Philippines in July 1966. The story is widely told and there's a couple of pictures, but as so many people visited the concerts, I find it hard to believe that there is no film or more pictures of the Beatles in the Philippines available.

Found this link tho: http://www.rarebeatles.com/photopg7/nonusa/php7466.htm
(Sorry for posting a link, Paul!   )

Anybody got some more pictures or film? Information?
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As far as pictures, I've only seen this one:



It was posted without any explanation (other than place and date), but the Beatles party does appear to be getting jostled. But that could just be the mania, which was going on all during the visit.

I found the picture on this site:
http://www.gossiping.net/phpBB.....p;mforum=beatlespics

I'm sure the link won't work; you have to register. But once you do, you can see a lot of Beatles pictures arranged by date. Very handy.

As far as accounts, Peter Brown gives a fairly detailed (and slightly different) account from the one you posted. While Brown likes to wildly make up stories about events he hasn't seen, he does give (in some cases rather too much) detail about the things he actually knows about, like the inner workings of NEMS. Since he was at Manila, I'm inclined to believe his impression of the account. It will be limited by what he's seen, but still...

Ringo was knocked hard enough to stumble and drop his back, but Brown attributes it to a shove on the back and makes no mention of a sprained ankle. We know by their own accounts that John and Paul were hiding behind nuns and George was hiding behind a Buddhist monk--indicative of his future path, perhaps? Paul gives one of his funniest quotes ever about this in Anthology (paraphrasing): "Yeah, to get to us, you'll have to get past them, mate. You'll have to get past them!"

Mal and Alf were both beaten, and Brian was punched several times. Brian was responsible for getting the plane to wait for them--he kept the pilot idling as long as fuel would permit, and then kept talking to him after Mal and Tony had to disembark for this bogus passport check until they could return.

Well, you've probably seen all these accounts. But it's a spooky episode. Cheers.

EDIT: Oops, I should mention Peter Brown's account is in The Love You Make. I picked mine up used for a penny; I didn't want to give Brown any royalties. He gives a good account of the logistics and the money that changed hands.


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For all I know, Ringo might be a yogi disguised as a drummer! - George Harrison
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Thanks for the input Marie. I know that picture. But what strikes me most is that almost everything The Beatles did those days was filmed (hence the Japan recordings) or largely photographed. I have never ever seen footage from their concerts in the Philippines, let alone other pictures than the few known ones. Maybe it doesn't exist, but I strongly doubt that.
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Some footage definitely exists, because there's a brief clip of the concert on Anthology. Just the guys onstage and then a pan over this big crowd.

But Manila was a weird scene. At the airport, they were whisked away by goons and thought they were being busted. And on the way out, they were literally running for their lives. So I can see why the usual mug shots aren't too abundant. Clearly Marcos was playing some game, because the "apology" came out after the Beatles took off, so the rulers could get the maximum outrage and humiliation out of the people. If Britain complained later, the Marcoses could just play dumb and say, "But we broadcast Epstein's apology, not our fault it was blanked out. We published a retraction, not our fault it was just too late!"    Creeps.

It was like (I believe) Ringo said, "All the rules had changed" and they were in this weird zone.


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For all I know, Ringo might be a yogi disguised as a drummer! - George Harrison
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If Britain complained later, the Marcoses could just play dumb and say, "But we broadcast Epstein's apology, not our fault it was blanked out. We published a retraction, not our fault it was just too late!"    Creeps.



We had our revenge. When the Manilla Philharmonic Orchestra Toured in 1972 we pulled all the tags off their luggage when they were leaving Heathrow. One mans bassoon ended up in Madrid! They, like the Germans before them and the Argentinians after, learnt not to mess with old John Bull.


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Hee! Why am I so happy to hear this? Thanks for sharing that, Kevin.


All you've got to do is choose love.  That's how I live it now.  I learned a long time ago, I can feed the birds in my garden.  I can't feed them all. -- Ringo Starr, Rolling Stone magazine, May 2007

For all I know, Ringo might be a yogi disguised as a drummer! - George Harrison
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Very funny Kevin  
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Fact is that when I was travelling through South East Asia, I was very hesistant of visiting the Philippines, with the story of the Beatles in mind. And I didn't visit the country after all.
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I remember seeing the clip from the Anthology, and I think I might have seen a clip of an interview with Brian about Manila. He was talking about the royal family, at any rate, but I'm not sure if it was just a comment based on personal feelings or an actual account of their visit. I also have a picture of Mal and Brian getting off the plane and being escorted away that somebody took in the crowd somewhere - will look around for it, I'm not sure if I saved it...I think it was taken by someone in the crowd.



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Quoted from The Fox Drummer
I remember seeing the clip from the Anthology, and I think I might have seen a clip of an interview with Brian about Manila. He was talking about the royal family, at any rate, but I'm not sure if it was just a comment based on personal feelings or an actual account of their visit. I also have a picture of Mal and Brian getting off the plane and being escorted away that somebody took in the crowd somewhere - will look around for it, I'm not sure if I saved it...I think it was taken by someone in the crowd.


That would be great. It's the kind of thing I'm looking for. Thanks in advance.
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Fact is that when I was travelling through South East Asia, I was very hesistant of visiting the Philippines, with the story of the Beatles in mind. And I didn't visit the country after all.


The Philippines is awesome.

Its just so happens that when the Beatles were big, Marcos was in full control of the Philippines and I think already declared marshall law when they got here.

My aunt told me that when they got here they thought they were gonna play for the locals but when they got here Marcos had them brought to their palace and forced them to play for them. they declined and it pissed Marcos off badly.

I remember reading somewhere that Epstein said something like "We almost died"
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I always DEPISED this incident in Beatles history. Emelda Marcos could shove all her SHOES up where the 'sun don't shine' for all I care...


bleh...
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Maybe there is something in the big archives or haitrieu and/or Magness?  
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As far as pictures, I've only seen this one:



It was posted without any explanation (other than place and date), but the Beatles party does appear to be getting jostled. But that could just be the mania, which was going on all during the visit.

I found the picture on this site:
http://www.gossiping.net/phpBB.....p;mforum=beatlespics



Isn't that picture from Tokyo?


I just want you to reassure him - talk to him, make him see the error of his ways. Then I'll hit him.
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I'm sure that's the Phillipines. And those foreign gentlemen definately don't have Japanese features.


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Here's some stuff:













I just want you to reassure him - talk to him, make him see the error of his ways. Then I'll hit him.
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Nice one. Thanks.
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I'm so sorry i didn't know at all that there was a article about the Philippines because i'm kinda new here and i don't know a lot but thanks about letting me know about this. So the Beatles didn't really hate their fans in the Philippines, and about the Phil Harmonic orchestra i was very shocked about the revenge of Kevin.


He went out tiger hunting with his elephant and gun, in case of accidents he always took his mom.
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Yep, that picture of the Beatles getting "ruffed up" is from the Philippines.  And that's my Neil Aspinall with the hat on in the upper left hand corner.  And I do agree with this one...........Imelda Marcos should have taken all her shoes and shove them up her...........you know..............






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Imelda Marcos should have taken all her shoes and shove them up her...........you know..............


Now don't be shy.


I just want you to reassure him - talk to him, make him see the error of his ways. Then I'll hit him.
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^^^^^^Oh no.........I want to be nice, I really do!!!






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I'm so sorry i didn't know at all that there was a article about the Philippines because i'm kinda new here and i don't know a lot but thanks about letting me know about this. So the Beatles didn't really hate their fans in the Philippines, and about the Phil Harmonic orchestra i was very shocked about the revenge of Kevin.


Oh, Kevin is the peaceful type of guy.    
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Yeh it's okay i don't even like orchestras, hehe i don't like Imelda Marcos either she got all the money and she had lots of shoes, they were even put in a museum and the money she used was for more projects of our country.


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i really hate imelda marcos for doing that to the beatles.. well she was really the one in-charge during those times and not her husband.. one of the few reasons why i hate being a Filipino..


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You're right lennonian316 Imelda Marcos was the one in charge during Marcos' time of being a president, if she only didn't did that to the Beatles, the beatles would probably had liked their stay in the Philippines, and the rumors that came out on the newspapers " Beatles Snub First Family", it's not true some of them just did that so they could have their revenge. Very bad of them


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Lennonian316, and Colleengirl95 -- wow, that's a mouthful! -- I'd like to ask both of you, being that you're both from the Phillipines.... what is the general feeling towards the Beatles from the Filipino people?  We all know the story of the Beatles' ill-fated trip there in '66, but from your point of view, is there still (or has there ever been) a bad feeling towards the Beatles?  Are the Beatles a hated band in your country?  Or are the facts understood?  Are they considered heroes for defying the Marcoses?
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The Beatles are not really hated by the Filipino people, there are also a lot of people who are into them here in the Philippines. It just so happens that the people here in the Philippines, misunderstood it all but people now don't actually look back to that happening so i asked about it in my class and to adults but they don't seem to know what really had happened except for people who really knew about The Beatles and were born at that time.I don't really know if Filipino people consider The Beatles their heroes for defying the Marcoses but i know Filipino people don't like the Marcoses that much because there was Martial Law, freedom of the Filipinos was taken they were not allowed to go out of their homes after 10:00 in the evening, Filipino people cannot even sit in their own porches or backyards if they are somehow seen by the presiden't henchmen they are actually put to jail. That was how it was before in the Philippines.


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Good grief, that's terrible. Overall, you can't ask fairer than saying "I don't know" except for the people who were there.

Lennonian316 and Colleengirl95, thanks for sharing your views.


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So, I was wandering on the rest of the DM Beatles site, and I get to the interview section, somehow, and there was an interview when they just came back from the Philippines. They said that The Philippines is a terrible place, or something along those lines. I kinda wanna know why The Philippines is a terrible place, since I was there last summer visiting family, and everyone seemed all happy and nice and everything. My family, being all Filipinos, are pretty much obsessed with The Beatles.

As far as Imelda Marcos, she spent way too much on shoes. My daddy got mad at her for spending too much on shoes.




  
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i feel sad whenever i see the interview, of course i feel sorry for Imelda Marcos she hadn't been good. My uncle too is a beatles fan and my dad as well. I was asked a lot of questions in America about The Beatles by my cousin and i didn't know that his acquaintance was a scout in the Philippine airport but i forgot to ask him about what happened in there.


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