Quoted from Mairi

Sandra, do you feel like a New Yorker or a Californian?

A New Yorker. I'm not a Californian in any way. Except maybe the accent change.

Quoted from somedude210

hes milking 9/11 dry and hes trying to cover up his liberalness. i dont know about him, i still like ron paul for the republican seat, hes at least a republican by defination

He's milking 9/11? I haven't really seen this. He was amazing through that whole thing though and I think if he wants to mention it he has the right. He was down there as it was happening watching people jump for God's sake. I mean, if that didn't have a profound impact on him then I don't know what would. I won't fault him for bringing it up.

Quoted from Sandra

He's milking 9/11? I haven't really seen this. He was amazing through that whole thing though and I think if he wants to mention it he has the right. He was down there as it was happening watching people jump for God's sake. I mean, if that didn't have a profound impact on him then I don't know what would. I won't fault him for bringing it up.

Interesting, because a friend of mine from another forum who is a New Yorker feels differently. She wrote this...

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'May I remind all you good folks that Rudy Giuliani was NOT a hero to New Yorkers. Much of the human sacrifice was caused by his poor planning, and all his grandstanding in the days after the attack can't erase that. If any of you were thinking of voting for him as president, DON'T.'

Differing perceptions. Interesting.

Ron Paul is for sure the best Republican candidate I think.


He wants to impeach Bush
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

well put Pasta

and gulianni is milking 9/11 dry. every speech, he manages to say it 3 or 4 times. if it wasnt for that, he would've never ran for president in the first place

^Reminds me of that Family Guy episode where Lois is running for mayor and her answer to everything is "9/11" and the people love it.

Quoted from Klang

Interesting, because a friend of mine from another forum who is a New Yorker feels differently. She wrote this...



Differing perceptions. Interesting.

I'd like to know how someone could have planned for something like 9/11. Blaming someone after the fact for not having a plan in place for something so out of left field is pretty much a waste of time. Not every New Yorker loves Rudy that's for sure. With people like him you either love him or hate him. That's just the way it is with strong personalities. But they can't deny what he did for the City and I doubt they'd ever want to go back to living in a pre Rudy city. If the person saying this even remembers what that was like. I'm not saying I'd vote for him cuz like I've said I haven't started listening enough, but I don't think him mentioning 9/11 would prevent me if I agreed with him on most other things. That would be sort of petty. But whatever.

Quoted from somedude210

well put Pasta

and gulianni is milking 9/11 dry. every speech, he manages to say it 3 or 4 times. if it wasnt for that, he would've never ran for president in the first place

Not true. People were asking him to run before 9/11. It was always a possibility. As for the 9/11 stuff. Why does that annoy you so much? I mean, seriously, I haven't listened to him speak that much but what's he saying that gets you?

Good points.

I got this email today, and I'm interested in comments on it. It's from MoveOn org. (The numbers represent footnotes linking to the source. I'm only reproducing the beginning of the message here. I can copy in the whole thing if anyone's interested.)


This weekend, Rudy Giuliani launched a series of attacks on us (MoveOn) for exposing the White House spin on the "surge."

Giuliani is hoping to scare war critics into staying silent. But that isn't going to happen. We've put together a rapid-response ad which demonstrates that Giuliani doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to leadership on Iraq: He was booted from the Iraq Study Group after missing meeting after meeting so he could make millions of dollars giving speeches.

We want voters to know that Giuliani can't be trusted on Iraq. Can you help with $250 to get this ad on the air in Iowa? Click here to see the ad and contribute:

https://pol.moveon.org/donate/giuliani.html?id=11257-3207800-5KEQ_f&t=3

The facts are very clear: When it really mattered, Giuliani chose to make big money from speeches rather than helping figure out a strategy for Iraq.

The Iraq Study group (ISG) was a bipartisan panel appointed by Congress in March of 2006 to evaluate the situation in Iraq and make policy recommendations on the war. Sometimes it's referred to as the Baker-Hamilton commission.

Giuliani originally said that he looked forward to participating in the group,1 but then he never showed up to any of the meetings.

Newsday reported earlier this year that, "Rudolph Giuliani's membership on an elite Iraq study panel came to an abrupt end last spring after he failed to show up for a single official meeting of the group, causing the panel's top Republican to give him a stark choice: either attend the meetings or quit, several sources said."2

Giuliani later said that he couldn't participate in the group because of "time constraints." A close look at his financial records shows that those time constraints actually consisted of a series of speeches that he made millions of dollars on.3

* In April of last year. Giuliani skipped a meeting and made $200,000 giving a keynote speech at an economic conference in South Korea.4
* The next month he skipped another meeting to give a $100,000 speech on "leadership" in Atlanta. Later that day, he attended a $100-a-ticket political fundraiser for conservative activist Ralph Reed.5
For Giuliani to claim any authority on handling the war in Iraq when he abdicated his responsibilities to the Iraq Study Group is a plain betrayal of the nation's trust. In fact, Stephen Hess, who served on the panel and has served in Republican and Democratic administrations, said, "Leaving that study group was not exactly an act of courage."6

Mudslinging. Each and every candidate can have an e-mail like that written about them. You just have to use common sense.

im still going to vote ron paul for republican candidate. at least he has common sense

Just don't go voting for someone who doesn't have a chance and is there to basically f-up the elections like that whole Ralph Nader farce. Again, go with your common sense. The lesser of two evils. It's all we've got. You can fantasize about the perfect candidate, but don't let your idealism get in the way of actually accepting the fact that we've basically got two choices and you need to pick the best of those two. Nice as it is to say you were different, but it gets us nowhere.

I really don't care who the republican candidate will be, cause I don't want the next president to be a republican anyway.

actually, ron paul may have a chance. not a huge chance, but its still possible.


and ill probably vote obama or edwards for the democratic candidate. just no hillary