I don't know the candidates that well yet, I'll have to see some debates before I can really form an opinion, but so far I think Obama looks like a very decent guy.

I already think it's great that there's a chance that the USA will get a black or a female president after 43 straight white males in a row.

democratic - obama/edwards ticket, or richardson

republican - ron paul cause hes not like past republicans because he still follows ideals of real republicans

just anyone but hillary. we may be ready for a female president, but shes not it

Don't matter who it is they're still gonna murder loads of people.

ohhh, touche.

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just anyone but hillary. we may be ready for a female president, but shes not it

I know, honestly

I don't think we've really heard them speak enough to come to any sort of conclusive decision. At least I haven't. But I have my leanings.

Someone should start a thread about the new prime minister or something. Or is that not a big deal over there? Doesn't really seem to be. Which is interesting. I'd start one, but I know nothing about the guy. I can't even think of his name at the moment. Gordon?

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just anyone but hillary. we may be ready for a female president, but shes not it

Why not?

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Gordon?

Brown.

Not Gordon Blair as one Congressman referred to him in an interview on UK TV recently! LOL

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Why not?

I think Hillary has a good chance. Bill was a popular president and I think that people expect Hillary to be pretty much identical to her husband politically. I also think a lot of women will vote for her simply because she's the first woman who's got a chance to become president.

the problem with hillary is that shes trying to appease to many people at once and is losing the focus of the campaign.

Don't matter who we get in to lead they will order us to kill. In an election I choose to vote for myself. The system is evil but just because there are no better ones don't mean that I should vote for an evil one. Only you can lead yourself.

I'd like to know what people think of Giuliani. What he did for NYC was amazing. I mean, if you were there in the 70's and 80's, it was a real crap hole. Now it's like Disney. The guy can get things done and he's pretty liberal for a republican. I still haven't made my mind up one way or the other though. I'm trying not to let the fellow New Yorker Italian thing bias me, but you know.  

hes milking 9/11 dry and hes trying to cover up his liberalness. i dont know about him, i still like ron paul for the republican seat, hes at least a republican by defination

I actually like Hilary for the most part, although I don't agree with her stance on gay marriage. (I think civil unions are kind of lame. Just let them get married already!) However, I don't think she will win. The United States might be ready to elect a black president, but not a woman one. Especially not one with so much baggage.

or her pro war stance :S

I wouldn't exactly call it a pro war stance. From what I've heard, she thinks that getting into the war in the first place was a big mistake, but to withdraw now would cause more problems. I don't agree with that either, but like I said, not exactly a pro war stance.

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The United States might be ready to elect a black president, but not a woman one. Especially not one with so much baggage.

This I don't know about. I think she has a real shot. If she's able to develop some sort of personality in the months to come I'd say she has a damn good chance of being our first female president. Plus some people think it's a two for one thing with Bill.

I don't know. It seems Britain is just so ahead in these things. I don't think Canada will elect a woman PM either. I mean, we have had one already (Kim Campell) but she wasn't elected, she was appointed because Brian Mulroney resigned.

You do have a point about the two-for one thing, though. That was a big part of Bill's campaign.

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(I think civil unions are kind of lame. Just let them get married already!)

Yeah!

Marriage is something between a man and a woman two people that love each other.

heres something i always wondered, if all the jokes about marriage were true, wouldnt they want to let them get married since they were gonna end up as miserable as every other married person?

Isn't gay marriage recognized in Massachusetts? Hey one state out of 50! Not bad! But I mean considering the history of tolerance in this country that's actally a miracle in itself. Do you think any of us will live to see the day when gay marriage is recognized in say Mississippi? Ha.

yes yes, i live in the bay state, now known as the gay state. but also remember that massachusetts is still the most liberal state in the country

Massachusetts is the most liberal state? I thought that was California. I mean, that's what most people would think but I guess not.  

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Brown.

Yeah, you guys don't seem at all phased that your country just changed leaders after, what, ten years or so? Must be nice.

It's because they all seem to cock it up in there own inmitable way.

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Massachusetts is the most liberal state? I thought that was California. I mean, that's what most people would think but I guess not.  

Cali does have medical marijuana, whereas Mass still treats it like it's heroin or something. Those good, Calvinistic puritan values still cling, generations later.

yea yea, but in the grand scheme of things, we're both the most liberal states, we have gay marriage, you have weed

Yeah, weed. That's okay. But don't you DARE lite up a REAL cigarette while your here! This is the non-smoking state you know.

Sandra, do you feel like a New Yorker or a Californian?

Noam Chomsky.

Quoted from Mairi

Sandra, do you feel like a New Yorker or a Californian?

A New Yorker. I'm not a Californian in any way. Except maybe the accent change.

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hes milking 9/11 dry and hes trying to cover up his liberalness. i dont know about him, i still like ron paul for the republican seat, hes at least a republican by defination

He's milking 9/11? I haven't really seen this. He was amazing through that whole thing though and I think if he wants to mention it he has the right. He was down there as it was happening watching people jump for God's sake. I mean, if that didn't have a profound impact on him then I don't know what would. I won't fault him for bringing it up.

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He's milking 9/11? I haven't really seen this. He was amazing through that whole thing though and I think if he wants to mention it he has the right. He was down there as it was happening watching people jump for God's sake. I mean, if that didn't have a profound impact on him then I don't know what would. I won't fault him for bringing it up.

Interesting, because a friend of mine from another forum who is a New Yorker feels differently. She wrote this...

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'May I remind all you good folks that Rudy Giuliani was NOT a hero to New Yorkers. Much of the human sacrifice was caused by his poor planning, and all his grandstanding in the days after the attack can't erase that. If any of you were thinking of voting for him as president, DON'T.'

Differing perceptions. Interesting.

Ron Paul is for sure the best Republican candidate I think.


He wants to impeach Bush
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

well put Pasta

and gulianni is milking 9/11 dry. every speech, he manages to say it 3 or 4 times. if it wasnt for that, he would've never ran for president in the first place

^Reminds me of that Family Guy episode where Lois is running for mayor and her answer to everything is "9/11" and the people love it.

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Interesting, because a friend of mine from another forum who is a New Yorker feels differently. She wrote this...



Differing perceptions. Interesting.

I'd like to know how someone could have planned for something like 9/11. Blaming someone after the fact for not having a plan in place for something so out of left field is pretty much a waste of time. Not every New Yorker loves Rudy that's for sure. With people like him you either love him or hate him. That's just the way it is with strong personalities. But they can't deny what he did for the City and I doubt they'd ever want to go back to living in a pre Rudy city. If the person saying this even remembers what that was like. I'm not saying I'd vote for him cuz like I've said I haven't started listening enough, but I don't think him mentioning 9/11 would prevent me if I agreed with him on most other things. That would be sort of petty. But whatever.