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strwdle
October 15, 2007, 3:21pm Report to Moderator
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Hey everyone

I'm currently researching the influence of eastern culture and philiosphy on western music for my dissertation and thought the Beatles and their relationship with India through people such as Ravi Shankar and the Mahirishi would be an excellent avenue to explore. Does anyone know of any interviews/articles with them where he might have discussed this?

I remember hearing on the remake of Sg. Peppers how George had an incorrect amount of bars in 'Within You, Without You'. I've tried researching this but not come up with anything. Does anyone know anything more about this?

I'm going to be looking at everything from modality in Jazz (Coltrane, Davis etc), John McLaughlin and more contemporary artists such as Nitin Sawhney amongst others. If anyone has any ideas of aspects I could cover or books which may be useful then I'd be eternally grateful!

many thanks

Owen
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Hi Owen, welcome to DM's.

There is a Wiki page for Within You, Without You: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Within_You%2C_Without_You

This article by Allan Pollack is more academic, and might be more what you're looking for: http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/wywy.shtml


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strwdle
October 17, 2007, 10:33am Report to Moderator
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Hey there, thanks for the getting back to me.

I've already come across those links, although they don't contain any of the information I heard on the BBC Radio program. Maybe there is a recording still available that i can listen back to?
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on that topic, I always thought it was funny--in TRUE Lennon style--how John renounced the Maharishi as a "fraud" (?) so vehemently on "Sexy Sadie"--another example of lyrical double-entendre.

("you'll get yours yet, no matter how big you think you are..." )

(ps: I'm trying to visualize that world famous "holy man" trying to hit on Mia Farrow...can see it...on second thought, yeah ok, maybe) cheeky old sod, he was worse than Sinatra )
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on that topic, I always thought it was funny--in TRUE Lennon style--how John renounced the Maharishi as a "fraud" (?) so vehemently on "Sexy Sadie"--another example of lyrical double-entendre.

("you'll get yours yet, no matter how big you think you are..." )



What I always found confusing was the very ending of Sexy Sadie.  At the end of the song, he sings "she's the latest, and the greatest of them all.

Why would he say that?
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What I always found confusing was the very ending of Sexy Sadie.  At the end of the song, he sings "she's the latest, and the greatest of them all.

Why would he say that?


Erm...sarcasm perhaps?


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Maybe because it sounded nice.  Never dismiss the notion of cool-sounding syllables.  
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(ps: I'm trying to visualize that world famous "holy man" trying to hit on Mia Farrow...can see it...on second thought, yeah ok, maybe) cheeky old sod, he was worse than Sinatra )


Read somewhere that that story might not be true, and was invented by The Beatles to cover the real reason they left: that the maharishi asked them to leave because they wouldn't stop taking drugs.


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I remember hearing on the remake of Sg. Peppers how George had an incorrect amount of bars in 'Within You, Without You'. I've tried researching this but not come up with anything. Does anyone know anything more about this?

Owen


Wasn't this a common Beatle trick? Wiki on All You Need Is Love:
"The structure of the song is somewhat complex. The main body of the song (the verse) is in the very unusual and infrequently used 7/4 time signature with two measures of 7/4, one measure of 8/4, then back to a measure of 7/4
By contrast, the chorus, is simplistic: "All you need is love", in 4/4 time repeated against the horn response but, each chorus has only seven measures (as opposed to the usual eight), and the seventh is a measure of 6/4, then back to the verse in 7/4."



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I remember hearing on the remake of Sg. Peppers how George had an incorrect amount of bars in 'Within You, Without You'. I've tried researching this but not come up with anything. Does anyone know anything more about this?

Hi, Owen. Are you still looking for information? Simon Leng covers George's musical approach to Indian music in his book "While My Guitar Gently Weeps: the Music of George Harrison". He has 2 pages on WYWY, including a discussion of time signatures.



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Erm...sarcasm perhaps?


undoubtedly, BM

(John ? sarcastic ?? nah....LOL)

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