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Mean Mr. Mustard
November 29, 2007, 10:17pm Report to Moderator
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I always thought (probably 'coz I read it somewhere as opposed to an original thought) that it was John expressing his anger at Paul in the way he knew best ... sardonic mockery. I think Paul actually started this battle of the album covers, with 2 beetles copulating on the back of his. Ironically, John looks as happy in that photo as in any photos of the era (or since?) that I can recall, none of that serious "I am ... John" stuff.

Remember, he also put "How Do You Sleep" on the Imagine album ("So Seargant Pepper caught you by surprise" - which always mystified me because I thought John had previously said he wasn't that enamored of the album ...), and "The only thing you done was Yesterday", and the amazing double slicing to bits "... and since you're gone it's just Another Day!").

I can definitely Imagine that John did NOT like that last song!


yep, exactly my point...I'm glad John picked a "dim-witted" animal to make his point...nice jab

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Really? I didn't realize you had been in office long enough to get up to much.



How do you know it's not the business executive option?

Or simply a cry for ... bail?


I love John,
I love Paul,
And George and Ringo,
I love them all!

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December 1, 2007, 2:53am Report to Moderator

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Personally I think it's rather petty.


You're so vain, you probably think this post is about you.
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Or simply a cry for ... bail?

*gives the pig $5 to bust you out*

Mairi, what happened to your icon?  



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huh? what do you mean?


You're so vain, you probably think this post is about you.
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Mean Mr. Mustard
December 1, 2007, 4:06pm Report to Moderator
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The fact that John felt the need to parody his old friend in such a way sort of does make him a bit prickish. Sorry, but it's true. He didn't do it to be artistic he was trying to get a rise out of Paul. Again. I can't imagine how a person can miss that. And why can't an urban born person develop a interest in rural living? What's phony about that? It isn't as if he went around pretending he was some working class hero when in reality he was raised comfortably middle class. Oh, wait...


No kidding that he was trying to get a rise out of Paul. Around the time Ram came out, John was tackling large human issues like the Vietnam War, poverty, racism, sexism..and what was Paulie doing?...writing trivial love odes and ruminating on the relative merits of Scottish livestock. Look, I think Macca is a musical genuis just like everybody else does, but he doesnt have the social conscience of a John Lennon by any means. He (J.L., that is)was more thoughtful and philosophical about life and world events than macca ever was. Did Paul and Linda sit in  bed for peace ?? Dont think so. How many books of poetry or self-examining essays did Paul write ?? Dont make me laugh. John wrote "A Spaniard In The Works", "In His Own Write"..etc.. Need I say more ? While John is singing "Gimme Some Truth" Paul was up to his neck in sheep sh*t. I love Macca's talent for melody, but that doesnt cloud the fact that he's still a pompous a** a lot of the time. Try reading his bio--half that thing is an attempt to show the world how important he is--something he didnt need to do--and dont even get me started on how he treated George...
You have your opinions, I have mine. Macca is a musical genuis..but he's also a self-serving d*ckhead a lot of the time. Apart from music, Paul McCartney compared to JOHN WINSTON LENNON is a featherweight.

and for your comment, that John "went around pretending he was some working class hero when in reality he was raised comfortably middle class.."
WHAT THE HELL ??....he wasnt speaking for himself, he was making an artistic statement about the plight of the working class and how they got a raw deal....( ..he was a poet, and a social reformer ..he was speaking in generalities John was more LITERATE..that doesnt always mean literal..
As far as I'M concerned (and I know a lot of ppl who feel the same way), John didnt knock Paul down ENOUGH..
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huh? what do you mean?

You don't have an icon, just a red x, with "Your ad here- $5.00". I thought you were making a social statement about the lack of an icon...



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For all I know, Ringo might be a yogi disguised as a drummer! - George Harrison
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Since when does rock music have to be about politics to be deep? In fact, since when does rock music have to be deep?

That aside, I have to speak up about the obvious canonization of John in your post. Yeah, John sat in bed and planted acorns for peace, but did he ever donate any of his own money? Pretty ironic that a guy who sang about "no possessions" lived in a huge mansion and drove a Rolls Royce, that the guy who sang about "a brotherhood of man" ignored his own son so badly that Paul had to write Hey Jude about it.
Last time I checked, Paul is out there donating money for landmine relief, War Child, and PETA (not an organization I agree with, but he seems to think they're doing some good). He also performs in charity concerts like Live 8.
George spearheaded Concert For Bangladesh, the first charity rock concert. I don't know too much about his or Ringo's other charitable contributions, so I can't really speak about them on that subject, but as it stands Paul has done a whole lot more than John ever did. What good is talking about peace if you never do anything about it?


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Since when does rock music have to be about politics to be deep? In fact, since when does rock music have to be deep?

That aside, I have to speak up about the obvious canonization of John in your post. Yeah, John sat in bed and planted acorns for peace, but did he ever donate any of his own money? Pretty ironic that a guy who sang about "no possessions" lived in a huge mansion and drove a Rolls Royce, that the guy who sang about "a brotherhood of man" ignored his own son so badly that Paul had to write Hey Jude about it.
Last time I checked, Paul is out there donating money for landmine relief, War Child, and PETA (not an organization I agree with, but he seems to think they're doing some good). He also performs in charity concerts like Live 8.
George spearheaded Concert For Bangladesh, the first charity rock concert. I don't know too much about his or Ringo's other charitable contributions, so I can't really speak about them on that subject, but as it stands Paul has done a whole lot more than John ever did. What good is talking about peace if you never do anything about it?


try John & Yoko donating money to get the NYPD bullet-proof vests for starters...um, I think that pre-dates macca's vain-glorious attempts to call attention to himself..besides, wasnt it the infamous Heather Mills who GOT HIM INTO landmine relief?? ..AND Linda who made him a vegan ? He never initiates these things himself the way J&Y did w/ things like "grow an acorn 4 peace" "shave your hair 4 peace" ..OR "Bag-Peace"....when it comes to charitable pursuits, macca imitates --as long as the charity is in vogue and it makes him look good. Like JOHN said in "How Do You Sleep" (aimed directly at Macca) "A pretty face may last a year or two, but pretty soon they'll see what you can do.." (not too much, ay Macca ?)

John "never did anything for peace"??? huh??? are you KIDDING?
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I didn't know that about the bullet-proof vests, so I stand corrected. But seriously? PAUL picking fashionable causes? Um, was there a cause any more fashionable in the 60s/70s than Vietnam?


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I didn't know that about the bullet-proof vests, so I stand corrected. But seriously? PAUL picking fashionable causes? Um, was there a cause any more fashionable in the 60s/70s than Vietnam?


I wouldnt call it fashionable...it just was so all-encompassing in the 60's. Mairi, I know you must love Dylan & Baez as I do...can we ever accuse these two of picking a fashionable cause ?  lol...Bob Dylan of ALL ppl would spew poison adjectives at the very thought of backing something phony or incidental...so by that token, Lennon is thoroughly vindicated in my estimation. George, as you astutely mentioned, has "Bangladesh" under his belt--an admirable accomplishment by any standard (and Ringo quickly lent his hand to that).
It's just my personal opinion that Paul's charitable efforts seem forced and rather disingenuous.


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Well I just think that as long as someone is doing something charitable, that is a good thing. If John in fact did lend his wallet to organizations or his time to productive protests, then that's great. Paul is doing this and I think it's great too. Don't get me wrong, I love John and I think his heart was in the right place. I just don't seee how tearing down what Paul has done will make John's accomplishments any better.

In any case, what theyt both did was better than the load of self-absorbed rock stars *coughcough*Stones*coughcough* who never do ANYTHING.


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What the f*** are you talking about?  


John's jab was right on. *sings to myself* "Oh McCartney had a farm, e-i, e-i, o..and on that farm he had a sheep e-i , e-i o"..

Look, if you can drag yourself away from your wussy-Wings crap for two seconds, you'll realize that Macca (circa 1971) was actively engaged in livestock beastiality (when not laying down tracks for his sophomore solo Lp, he was also laying Doris the sheep ) You want proof ? what..you think the "Ram" cover is the only indication? Try the "Mary Had A Little Lamb" single and lyrics to "Dragonfly" on Red Rose Speedway...---all further evidence of his clandestine debauchery. Derek Taylor was under strict orders not to devulge this info to the public. The truth is out now.

John had him pegged alright...



(tongue planted firmly in cheek)

-MMM


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Well I just think that as long as someone is doing something charitable, that is a good thing.
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well I totally agree w/ this.. I just wish Paul (and some others) wouldnt do it for the "look at me, aint I charitable" factor.
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In any case, what theyt both did was better than the load of self-absorbed rock stars *coughcough*Stones*coughcough* who never do ANYTHING.


Really ? I thought Mick Jagger was planning to donate his lips to Angelina Jolie in case she ever needs a spare set.

Good onya, Mick you're all heart.

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