Actually pigs are much smarter than sheep.  Even a ram.  So John was showing his superior intellect in his choice of the smart pig vs. Paul's stupid ram.  

John [in Liverpudlian accent]: "Looook, Pawl, Ay've gawt me a peeeg!  'n he's a smawrt wun tooo."

Quoted from adamzero

Actually pigs are much smarter than sheep.  Even a ram.  So John was showing his superior intellect in his choice of the smart pig vs. Paul's stupid ram.  

John [in Liverpudlian accent]: "Looook, Pawl, Ay've gawt me a peeeg!  'n he's a smawrt wun tooo."

correctamundo!

(that's why I loved John...he was one cheeky sum b*tch

Brilliant sometimes this forum really comes alive , ive enjoyed reading these posts .
Mean Mr Mustard there is much truth in some of what you say , ive always felt Paul trys to hard to live upto the Lennon mantle , when he should just be himself and let his genius  for writing great melodies do the talking .
Having said that i wish Lennon had shut up sometimes and got in the studio and made at least two more great albums instead of spending his time sat in a bag looking ridiculous ,truth is he changed very little , even though i think his heart was in the right place.
Paul's best thing outside writing is his involvement in The Liverpool Institute for Performing Art , thats a good thing he's done ?
He could'nt match Lennon on all the peace stuff and should'nt have tried to .
How Do You Sleep and Here Today sum it up they both missed the boat with each other and thats the sad truth of  Lennon v McCartney a friendship lost .
But at least we have the music .

Quoted from 829

John's jab was right on. *sings to myself* "Oh McCartney had a farm, e-i, e-i, o..and on that farm he had a sheep e-i , e-i o"..

Look, if you can drag yourself away from your wussy-Wings crap for two seconds, you'll realize that Macca (circa 1971) was actively engaged in livestock beastiality (when not laying down tracks for his sophomore solo Lp, he was also laying Doris the sheep ) You want proof ? what..you think the "Ram" cover is the only indication? Try the "Mary Had A Little Lamb" single and lyrics to "Dragonfly" on Red Rose Speedway...---all further evidence of his clandestine debauchery. Derek Taylor was under strict orders not to devulge this info to the public. The truth is out now.

John had him pegged alright...



(tongue planted firmly in cheek)

-MMM

I wonder who had gag orders when John had his lips planted around Brian Epstein?

Quoted from DaveRam

Brilliant sometimes this forum really comes alive , ive enjoyed reading these posts .
Mean Mr Mustard there is much truth in some of what you say , ive always felt Paul trys to hard to live upto the Lennon mantle , when he should just be himself and let his genius  for writing great melodies do the talking .
Having said that i wish Lennon had shut up sometimes and got in the studio and made at least two more great albums instead of spending his time sat in a bag looking ridiculous ,truth is he changed very little , even though i think his heart was in the right place.
Paul's best thing outside writing is his involvement in The Liverpool Institute for Performing Art , thats a good thing he's done ?
He could'nt match Lennon on all the peace stuff and should'nt have tried to .
How Do You Sleep and Here Today sum it up they both missed the boat with each other and thats the sad truth of  Lennon v McCartney a friendship lost .
But at least we have the music .

This is a good post. I agree with a lot of this. Here's my take -

Paul - He's an egotistical maniac who is constantly looking for acceptance when its already there in front of him. He always plays to the media portraying himself as the Mr. Goody Twoshoes that can do no wrong while also trying to act as if he's the most important figure ever pass through music. It seems as if he trys to push his music into the 'popular youth hip today' catergory all the time when it doesnt belong there. I just wish he'd let his guard down sometimes and grow some balls. Forget the public for once and tell us whats really on your mind. I cant believe we even got 'Give Ireland Back To The Irish' from him. That was really outside of his norm.

John - Became a hero because he died. Sorry, but its true. Yeah, he attempted to bring some peace with his goofy a** Bed-ins and acorn planting, but the only thing it accomplished was a public portrayal of some nut case. Did anybody take him seriously at the time except for a few strung out hippies? He laid in bed singing songs,,,,,,please. A better person may have tried to fix a broken relationship with their own child. He was a person that did as much bad as good. I'll leave it at that.

I thought most people were over the whole John vs Paul thing. I guess some people still get off on the whole my Beatle is better than your Beatle thing. It's not worth going into again why Paul became so seemingly egotistical and why Lennon became so ridiculously idolized. Most people have already figured it out. Let the last few remaining hold outs live on in ignorance I say.

I think the Beatles were the whole "John vs. Paul thing" (apologies to George and Ringo).  Creative conflict or whatever.  It doesn't have to be something to get over.  I think people are still interested in it--sometimes very emotionally--because it goes to the heart of the mystery of the greatness of the Beatles.  

Even by mocking Paul, John in some way was admitting the connection that was deeper than mere personalities.  If you've ever created anything profound with another person (whether it be a child, work of art, whatever), there is a soul-link that lies deeper than words.  Both these guys were haunted by the break-up far more than George (who got some room to show the world what he could do) and Ringo (who missed the money but could get out and play with Jerry Lee Lewis, members of the Band, etc.--doing what he loved--performing--Ringo may have been the most natural performer in the group).  

Also, Sandra, in your pic, does Paul have his hand on his own throat?  

When I talk about getting over it, I mean the whole feeling the need to denigrate one Beatle to make the other one look better. I find that pointless and often greatly misguided. Of course it's great to explore the relationship and what affect the arguing or whatnot had on the greatness of the music. That's different. But attacking Paul and calling him a hack or whatever just to prove John was some kind of great genius or making John out to be some kind of great hero of peace by saying Paul is shallow or whatever doesn't really have anything to do with the music. Just saying. It's been done to death since Lennon's passing. One of the reasons Paul became so weird about his legacy. So I really feel it had not positive affect. But whatever. It's just my opinion.

As for the pic. I think you're right! I never noticed that before. Just assumed it was George's hand. Ha.

Quoted from 829

well I totally agree w/ this.. I just wish Paul (and some others) wouldnt do it for the "look at me, aint I charitable" factor.

Surely in the late sixties John was the biggest media whore on the planet. And why did he suddenly shut up with the whole activist thing as soon as New York City flopped?
Sorry, but I find his whole Messiah-complex I'm-a-genius thing very unsavoury. Every time I see the footage or read an interview it strikes me as a prime case of ego exceeding talent. (just for the record this isn't a Paul v John thing for me. All of them have tumbled from the pedestal)

Quoted from Kevin

(just for the record this isn't a Paul v John thing for me. All of them have tumbled from the pedestal)

I think the whole Paul versus John thing is bizzare. And hero worship on a scale that we see from grown adults, and seemingly sensible, inteligent people is very unhealthy. I've never had a thing about any of them individually. I think over the years, their individual personalities have become exagerated by an ever more powerful, and influential media. And unfortunately, many people believe what they read. I believe the media played a very large part in the canonisation of John. For what reason, I don't know. But the fact that some people still go along with it 27 years later is very strange indeed.

Quoted from BlueMeanie

I think the whole Paul versus John thing is bizzare. And hero worship on a scale that we see from grown adults, and seemingly sensible, inteligent people is very unhealthy.

I find proclomations from adults that Heather is a fantasist and of course Paul is a loving caring person just as distastful as any John worshipping.

Ive always liked all four of them and i know i bang on a bit about Paul but i just like his  solo music better as a rule .
But John George and Ringo have also given me some brilliant music to enjoy over the years.
I quite like the conflict it makes The Beatles  storey fascinating , ive three brothers and i can tell you when you put four different personalities together in a room the sparks fly you have fun but you also have fights , just wish we had formed a group  

Lovely answer, DaveRam. I'm glad you're back.

I don't see why it's necessary to idolize or demonize any of the group. According to what I've read (which might be faulty and exhibit media bias, but still...) they were all human beings. That means they're going to do some neat stuff and make real doofuses out of themselves from time to time. Any view that leans too far to one side or the other just doesn't jive with the historical record.

Quoted from Kevin

I find proclomations from adults that Heather is a fantasist and of course Paul is a loving caring person just as distastful as any John worshipping.

Fully agree. I've seen even scarier stuff on Beatles sites, where our ardent young Paulshippers want to attack Heather's face with an icepick.   Now, I ask you! What justifies that amount of fanatical hatred? (I guess I missed it the first time around when Paul and John got married, but really! Talk about unbalanced.)

Quoted from harihead

Fully agree. I've seen even scarier stuff on Beatles sites, where our ardent young Paulshippers want to attack Heather's face with an icepick.   Now, I ask you! What justifies that amount of fanatical hatred? (I guess I missed it the first time around when Paul and John got married, but really! Talk about unbalanced.)

The Beatle Taliban. A while ago we had a bit of a debate about that Scolitti (?) guy who trashes the Beatles. Some suggested burning his books, and one even suggested perhaps we should burn Mr Scolitti.
Others have seemed to get angry ( as opposed to mocking or disdainful) when someone compares a modern band to The Beatles. Don't for God's sake call your teddy bear anything Beatleish.

Quoted from adamzero

Actually pigs are much smarter than sheep.  Even a ram.  So John was showing his superior intellect in his choice of the smart pig vs. Paul's stupid ram.  

John [in Liverpudlian accent]: "Looook, Pawl, Ay've gawt me a peeeg!  'n he's a smawrt wun tooo."

thanks for the compliment