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BlueMeanie
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The flag should have been rediesigned when Wales became a Principality. The one in your post is absurd. If they're having the dragon, we should have the three lions, the Scots; the thistle, and the Irish...the potato!


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Quoted from BlueMeanie
The flag should have been rediesigned when Wales became a Principality. The one in your post is absurd. If they're having the dragon, we should have the three lions, the Scots; the thistle, and the Irish...the potato!


I can understand the welsh wanting some representation on the national flag. I don't think the fact that it wasn't done earlier negates the need for some compromise now (it would be the decent and proper thing to do.)If you don't use the dragon (and it doesn't sit very easily with the cross design) what would you use?
NZ is going through the same thing. The current flag represents only a part of the nations inhabitants. I don't like the popular Koru alternative - it just looks ugly and is just as alienating. I think we/they should go with something neutral like The Silver Fern (same as Canada chose the neutral Maple Leaf to counter the same problem). Understandably, for minorities these things matter more than they do to the dominant culture. (Me and you)
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This was in the news recently - a Welsh MP has called for the welsh dragon to be incorporated. Here is one suggestion

Personally I think this puts too much emphasis on the dragon. I would be happy for it to appear in the upper left quandrant.




just use the background of the welsh flag at the bottom ?


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If they're having the dragon, we should have the three lions, the Scots; the thistle, and the Irish...the potato!

And what, pray tell, is wrong with that? Come on, photoshoppers! Get to work designing the new all-inclusive flag!



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I suspect that one could also publish a book denying the Holocaust here without fear of legal reprisal; probably even a book trying to justify pedophilia, or overthrow of the US. I believe the bright line is that one can't be reasonably perceived as inciting such illegal activity. So you could write a book saying that the overthrow of the US is the right thing to do, but you could be penalized if it were reasonably thought you were trying to get others to do it in an illegal fashion (violence, etc.).

Things have changed somewhat here over the past 7 years, but that's a different story, covered in other threads on this forum.


It is illegal to publicly advocate the violent overthrow of the United States Government. If you wrote a book saying that it's "the right thing to do", you could probably be charged with sedition.

Here's a link to a description of the law that made it illegal, the Smith Act (or as it's formally known "The Alien Registration Act of 1940"):

http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/comm/free_speech/smithactof1940.html

It's a felony, I believe.
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[quote=483]Here's how it works:



why do you have 3 different flags for one. greedy!

well, on the other hand we include all 50 states.


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Ok............"Freedom of Speech"???  I think America has it all WRONG with the "freedom of speech" we're to have..........why have we, the USA, have the "political correctness" crap going on???  Oh, we can't say THAT or THIS or WHO or WHAT........know what I mean???  I think the 1970's were more liberal than what we're living today.  I WANT to excercise my "freedom of speech" what the first amemdment in our constitution says I can.........and...."bear arms" is we want on another note..........



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[quote=483]Here's how it works:



why do you have 3 different flags for one. greedy!



The three different flags are for three different countries. The Union flag is for the UK.


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Here's how it works:



So you can see, Wales is not represented in the flag. This is because when James VI of Scotland became James I of England, the two Kingdoms were merged, and the flag became that of Great Britain. At that time Wales was part of England. The current flag dates from 1801, when The Kingdom of Great Britain was merged with The Kingdom of Ireland, to form The United Kingdom Of Great Britain and Ireland. I hope you're all paying attention. I shall be asking questions later!


I had no idea that Great Britain and The UK were not synonymous terms. Geesh, I wonder what else I'm comfortably wrong about!



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Excuse me, are Scotland, England and Wales three different countries? Or parts of Great Britain? And where`s Wales` flag? What about Northern Ireland and its flag? it is a part of Britain, isn`t it? Why is Ireland there? Oh, so many questions, though.
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Excuse me, are Scotland, England and Wales three different countries? Or parts of Great Britain? And where`s Wales` flag? What about Northern Ireland and its flag? it is a part of Britain, isn`t it? Why is Ireland there? Oh, so many questions, though.


England, Scotland, and Wales are the three countries that make up the island of 'Great Britain' - the largest island of the 'British Isles'. The U.K. is 'The United Kingdom Of Great Britain And Northern Ireland'. The N. Irleland flag is represented on The Union Flag. The Welsh flag is not, as at the time of the union, Wales was part of England. Ireland is not part of the U.K., as it is a republic.


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The three different flags are for three different countries. The Union flag is for the UK.


I was just trying to be funny. I know what they stand for obviously!  


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Excuse me, BlueMeanie, and how long have Scotland, England and Wales been 3 countries? This is a revelation to me. Is it because they have separate assemblies now? Or has total devolution taken place? Or is it just wishful thinking of their population? Can they inter the EU separately?
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Excuse me, BlueMeanie, and how long have Scotland, England and Wales been 3 countries? This is a revelation to me. Is it because they have separate assemblies now? Or has total devolution taken place? Or is it just wishful thinking of their population? Can they inter the EU separately ?


I don't know if you meant it like this Jane, but this can be taken in a pretty funny way ... wikipedia says "inter" means "to bury". So "can the countries of Great Britain bury the EU separately?" . I don't know a lot about British politics, but aren't there a lot of people there that want to do just that?  



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Oh, alexis! I can`t stop laughing!!!      If all the countries of Britain can bury the EU separately, what will the effect be if they do it all together? Yeah...!

Well, certainly, i meant enter the EU. I saw the mistake, but didn`t know that meaning, otherwise i would have corrected it. Instead I thought: Ah, it`s clear all the same...However, the consequences are absolutely different!!!
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