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Bobber
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Interesting thoughts. John was always more 'the writer', Paul more 'the composer'. John's contributions to Paul's songs seem to be something textual in a lot of cases (I Saw Her Standing There), Paul's contributions to John's songs something musical. I'm sure there's a lot of contradictions, but in mainstream this could be true. Paul seemed to be pretty sure and accurate of how his song (which he did regard as HIS song) should sound. That is his power ánd his weakness: usually his songs become even better when he's letting the ideas (guitarsolo on My Love) of other take part as well.
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Perhaps during Beatlemania John was doing well merclessly plundering the songbooks of american black acts and turning them into songs suitable for the white middle classes. From 65 he did the same thing to Dylan. From 68 it was Yoko.  
Paul took longer to find his feet and found his "inspiration" elsewhere.
Maybe.


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welcome back Kevin hadnt see nyou in a little while hope you had a good one


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welcome back Kevin hadnt see nyou in a little while hope you had a good one


Thankyou my friend. Been staying at a cottage on the South Yorkshire moors with the "wife". Lots of walking, good simple food and Lost dvd's in the evenings. I feel very refreshed and ready to go.


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I wonder if Paul's 'problem' was that he was too eclectic for his own good? It's something I admire in him, by the way, but if he'd just stuck to knocking out quality guitar pop maybe he'd have contributed more songs in that period? This could also have contributed to George's problem. Being the inexperienced songwriter, and always in the shadows of Lennon/McCartney, when writing he may have been constantly trying to work out what exactly constituted a Beatles song?!

Footnote: I may be talking complete bollocks here!


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I can see where you're going with that. It seems that Paul can't hear anything withouit wanting (and generally succeeding) in doing it better himself. Whether the positives outway the negatives is something I can't decide.


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i just think once he got an idea into his head about how his song should sound he wasn't going to budge as in his head that is how the song would sound best to him.

and that may have led to him having less songs at the start.

also i think the music that Lennon was writing and the music McCartney was writing was starting to go in different directions after please please me, with the difference being Lennons was closer to the original path than Maccas.

And that probably made it easier for those songs to come across better to the rest of the guys in the band as it wasnt too far of what they had already been making and easier for them to get there parts to it and gte there head round it.


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Quoted from fendertele
i just think once he got an idea into his head about how his song should sound he wasn't going to budge as in his head that is how the song would sound best to him.
That makes sense when you consider how years later Paul drove the others crazy getting Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da and Maxwell's Silver Hammer just the way he wanted.



I wonder should I call you but I know what you'd do You'd say I'm putting you on But it's no joke it's doing me harm....
Tell me tell me tell me come on tell me the answer You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer....
When I get near you The games begin to drag me down It's alright I'll make you maybe next time around....
I wonder where you are tonight and why I'm by myself...
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Considering MSH I'd agree. Paul accepted the 'change' John made on Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da, regarding the piano bit at the start. He might have accepted it because it was John.
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Oh, I didn't know John helped with Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da. I do know it wasn't his favourite Paul song!


I wonder should I call you but I know what you'd do You'd say I'm putting you on But it's no joke it's doing me harm....
Tell me tell me tell me come on tell me the answer You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer....
When I get near you The games begin to drag me down It's alright I'll make you maybe next time around....
I wonder where you are tonight and why I'm by myself...
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Well, 'helped' is a bit too much... The story goes that indeed John was a bit fed up with the song and played it loud on the piano. That seemed to be exactly what they were looking for. Talking of turning agression into creativeness!
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Quoted from Bobber
Well, 'helped' is a bit too much... The story goes that indeed John was a bit fed up with the song and played it loud on the piano. That seemed to be exactly what they were looking for. Talking of turning agression into creativeness!


Somewhere there is a take of 'obadi' with John in exasperation doing the piano bit at the beginning, I'll dig it out.

Welcome WaMoZ. Got fed up waiting around for Beatle Boards? Nice to have you around.


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Thanks Blue Meanie. At the moment I'm still hoping Beatleboards will be back soon, but no-one seems to know whats going on with it.

Personally I like ObLaDi because it was one of the first Beatles songs I knew as a child. However I can't stand Maxwell's Silver Hammer.


I wonder should I call you but I know what you'd do You'd say I'm putting you on But it's no joke it's doing me harm....
Tell me tell me tell me come on tell me the answer You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer....
When I get near you The games begin to drag me down It's alright I'll make you maybe next time around....
I wonder where you are tonight and why I'm by myself...
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