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I found this article on the net. Some things I knew before, but some are new to me...

The working partnership

Lennon's and McCartney's first musical idols were the Everly Brothers and Buddy Holly and they learned many of their songs and imitated their sound.[2] Their first compositions were written at McCartney's home (20 Forthlin Road), at Lennon's aunt Mimi's house at 251 Menlove Avenue, or at the Liverpool Institute.[3] They often invited friends such as George Harrison, Nigel Whalley, Barbara Baker, and Lennon's art school colleagues to listen to performances of their new songs.[4]

A common misconception of Lennon and McCartney is that each of the duo composed his own songs alone and simply credited them to the partnership. While each of them did often write independently — and many Beatles songs are primarily the work of one or the other — it was rare that a song would be completed without some input from both. In many instances, one writer would sketch an idea or a song fragment and take it to the other to finish or improve; in some cases, two incomplete songs or song ideas that each had worked on individually would be combined into a complete song. Often one of the pair would add a so-called middle eight or bridge section to the other's verse and chorus.[5] Lennon called it "Writing eyeball-to-eyeball",[5] and "Playing into each other's noses".[6] This approach of the Lennon/McCartney songwriting team — with elements of competitiveness and mutual inspiration as well as straightforward collaboration and creative merging of musical ideas — is often cited as a key reason for the Beatles' innovativeness and popular success.

The pair wrote songs together from 1958 until 1969. As time went on, the songs increasingly became the work of one writer or the other, often with the partner offering up only a few words or an alternate chord. "A Day in the Life" is a notable and well-known example of a later Beatles song that includes substantial contributions by both Lennon and McCartney, where a separate song fragment by McCartney ("Woke up, got out of bed, dragged a comb across my head...") was used to flesh out the middle of Lennon's composition ("I read the news today, oh boy..."). "Hey Jude" is an example of a later Paul McCartney song that was improved by relatively minor, but significant, input from Lennon. While auditioning the song for Lennon, when McCartney came to the lyric "the movement you need is on your shoulder," McCartney assured Lennon that he would change the line — which McCartney felt was nonsensical — as soon as he could come up with a better lyric. Lennon advised McCartney to leave that line alone, saying it was one of the strongest in the song.[7]

A joint credit

Even before they formed the Beatles, McCartney and Lennon began writing songs together. Lennon suggested that all songs written by either one of the pair (whether written individually or in a collaborative effort) should be credited to both of them, in an effort to emulate the familiarity of the Leiber–Stoller partnership. Between 1962 and 1970 all songs either of them published (including most Beatles songs) were jointly credited. On The Beatles' first album, Please Please Me, as well as the "From Me to You" single, the credit appeared as "McCartney−Lennon"; on all later albums and singles Lennon's name appeared first. As a result of this mutual agreement, songwriting royalties for the bulk of The Beatles' catalogue were shared equally between the two.

There was known to be substantial disagreement between Lennon and McCartney over the authorship of only two songs: "In My Life" and "Eleanor Rigby".[8] Although Lennon said that McCartney helped only with the middle eight of "In My Life",[9] McCartney claims that he wrote the whole melody by taking inspiration from two Smokey Robinson songs: "You've Really Got a Hold on Me" and "Tears of a Clown".[8] McCartney said that he wrote "Eleanor Rigby" on an upright piano in the Ashers' music room in Wimpole Street,[10] and later played it to Donovan before it was finished — a claim which Donovan confirmed.[11] Lennon claimed, in 1972, that he wrote 70% of the "Eleanor Rigby" lyrics,[12] but Pete Shotton, Lennon's childhood friend, remembered Lennon's contribution as being "absolutely nil".[13] Beatle experts assign credit to "In My Life" mainly to Lennon, and credit "Eleanor Rigby" mainly to McCartney, although it is generally agreed that neither song was a solo effort.

Controversy

The nature and billing order of the dual credit were an occasional source of controversy. When McCartney released his solo live album Wings Over America in 1976, the songwriting credits for five Beatles songs included on the album were reversed to place McCartney's name first; Lennon's wife Yoko Ono publicly objected to the change, though Lennon himself made no public statement.

When Lennon's 1997 posthumous compilation of solo hits, Lennon Legend: The Very Best of John Lennon, was released, "Give Peace a Chance", a song that had previously been credited to Lennon/McCartney, was listed as being composed solely by Lennon. The song was written by Lennon, who originally chose to share the credit with McCartney "out of guilt."[14]

In the late 1990s, McCartney and Yoko Ono were in a dispute over the writing credits for a number of Beatles songs. [15] McCartney had wanted to change the credits from the traditional Lennon/McCartney to 'Paul McCartney and John Lennon' for the song "Yesterday". McCartney claimed that he and Lennon had agreed in the past that the credits could be reversed, if either of them wanted to, on any future releases, but he later withdrew his request.[15] In a February 2005 statement, McCartney said, "It's something that I don't have a problem with anymore."[16]

Other credits

A number of songs written primarily by the duo and recorded by the Beatles were credited to people in addition to Lennon and McCartney. "What Goes On" was credited to Lennon/McCartney/Starkey, while "Flying" and "Dig It", as well as The "Beatles Version" of "Free as a Bird", were credited to Lennon/McCartney/Harrison/Starkey. The German-language versions of "I Want to Hold Your Hand" and "She Loves You" were also credited to additional songwriters for assisting with the translation: "Komm, Gib Mir Deine Hand" was credited to Lennon-McCartney-Nicholas-Heller and "Sie Liebt Dich" was credited to Lennon-McCartney-Nicholas-Montague. An early writing credit that fell through was actually McCartney/Harrison. This was an idea when George and Paul wrote "In Spite of All the Danger" together. Paul thought that because he had one with John he should have one with his equally best friend George. (Similarly, the song "Cry for a Shadow" was credited to Lennon/Harrison.)

Mal Evans controversy

According to Mal Evans' diaries—from which extracts have recently been released—he helped McCartney to write "Fixing a Hole". Evans wrote in his diary, on 27 January 1967:
“      Sgt Pepper: Started writing song with Paul upstairs in his room, he on piano. What can one say about today — ah yes! Four Tops concert at Albert Hall. Beatles get screams they get the clap. Off to Bag after gig. Did a lot more of "where the rain comes in". [Evans' title for "Fixing a Hole"] Hope people like it. Started Sergeant Pepper.[17]      ”

He also wrote on 1 February 1967:
“      "Sergeant Pepper" sounds good. Paul tells me that I will get royalties on the song — great news, now perhaps a new home.[17]      ”

He never received royalties and had to make do with £38-a-week pay. McCartney and the Apple label have not commented about the diaries, or the songwriting credits. Keith Badman, who is the author of "The Beatles Off the Record", stated that he obtained a tape of Evans talking before his death, on which Evans repeated the claims. According to Badman, Evans was asked (before the record came out) if it would be a problem that his name was not credited, as the Lennon-McCartney writing name was "a really hot item".[18]

Non-Beatles songs

In the 1960s, many songs credited to Lennon/McCartney were originally released not by the Beatles but by other artists, especially those managed by Brian Epstein. Recording a Lennon/McCartney song helped launch new artists' careers. Beatles' versions of some of these were recorded; some were not released until after their split, on compilations such as Live at the BBC and The Beatles Anthology.

    * Billy J. Kramer with the Dakotas — "I'll Be on My Way" (1963), "Bad to Me" (1963), "I Call Your Name" (1963), "I'll Keep You Satisfied" (1963), "From a Window" (1964)
    * Tommy Quickly — "Tip of My Tongue" (1963)
    * The Fourmost — "Hello Little Girl" (1963), "I'm In Love" (1963)
    * Cilla Black — "Love of the Loved" (1963), "It's For You" (1964), "Step Inside Love" (196
    * The Rolling Stones — "I Wanna Be Your Man" (1963)
    * The Strangers with Mike Shannon — "One And One Is Two" (1964)
    * Peter & Gordon — "Nobody I Know" (1964), "A World Without Love" (1964), "I Don't Want To See You Again" (1965)
    * The Applejacks — "Like Dreamers Do" (1964)
    * P.J. Proby — "That Means a Lot" (1965)
    * John Foster & Sons Ltd Black Dyke Mills Band — "Thingummybob" (196
    * Mary Hopkin — "Goodbye" (1969)

In addition, McCartney wrote songs under his own name for other artists prior to The Beatles' split, notably "Catcall" for The Chris Barber Band in 1967, Badfinger's 1969 hit "Come and Get It", and "Penina" recorded by Carlos Mendes (Portugal, 1969) and Jotte Herra (Netherlands, 1970). He also penned the song "Woman" (1966) for Peter & Gordon under the pseudonym Bernard Webb, to see if the song would gain success without his reputation; it did.

Film and television

In 2000, VH1 produced a television movie entitled Two of Us, named after the song of the same name, a track from The Beatles' album, Let It Be. The movie is a fictionalized account of 24 April 1976, (six years after the break-up of The Beatles) the day Lorne Michaels made a statement on Saturday Night Live in which he offered The Beatles $3000.00 to appear on his program. The story is told through a series of conversations between John Lennon (Jared Harris) and Paul McCartney (Aidan Quinn). The film is directed by Michael Lindsay-Hogg who also directed the 1970 Beatles film, Let it Be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennon/McCartney
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I really want to see that Two of Us movie.It looks really interseting.I wonder if they did a good job on it.If anyone else has seen it, could you tell me about it?
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I really want to see that Two of Us movie.


Me too, i've never ever seen it! i can't seem to find it on dvd or
anything??




HAPPY 40TH BIRTHDAY TO THE WHITE ALBUM! you say its your birthday!
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I haven't seen the movie, but I'm anxious to see it!
Also, the same director (Michael Lindsay-Hogg) made Simon and Garfunkel: The Concert
in Central Park (1982)
, another thing that sounds interesting!
He also directed few documentaries about music / musicians.

List of his films:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0512327/filmogenre
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In the late 1990s, McCartney and Yoko Ono were in a dispute over the writing credits for a number of Beatles songs. [15] McCartney had wanted to change the credits from the traditional Lennon/McCartney to 'Paul McCartney and John Lennon' for the song "Yesterday". McCartney claimed that he and Lennon had agreed in the past that the credits could be reversed, if either of them wanted to, on any future releases, but he later withdrew his request.[15] In a February 2005 statement, McCartney said, "It's something that I don't have a problem with anymore."[16]
I'm glad Paul finally got over that. I mean, everybody knows Paul wrote Yesterday, for example. Why stir up such a fuss about something that doesn't really matter?



I wonder should I call you but I know what you'd do You'd say I'm putting you on But it's no joke it's doing me harm....
Tell me tell me tell me come on tell me the answer You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer....
When I get near you The games begin to drag me down It's alright I'll make you maybe next time around....
I wonder where you are tonight and why I'm by myself...
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You Know, I actually feel for Paul about that.(I used "feel" because I cant remember the word which i want to use)
I think that some people might think that Paul is self centered and all that because of it but I think that a song as great as that and all of those other songs should get a bit more recognition for him. (Im not talking about you WaMoZ, you just got me thinking about that)
I know that Im not explaining what Im trying to say correctly but Ill think better about it along the way.

I think that Paul didn't really get over it, I think that he was thinking he was looking bad because he wanted some more recognition.
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I really don't see a big problem with changing the credit's about on the songs he was the main contributor from Lennon-McCartney to McCartney-Lennon ? its not as if he's taking lennons name out.

if you play youre beatles music in windows media player while it flashes the song name at the bottom it changes from song name to credits then back, and every song except Harrison ones comes up with Lennon, right now im listening to Eleanor Rigby by lennon.

so if it was someones first time listening to them, they would would be walking away thinking that song Lennon wrote was fantastic, can see how it could be annoying.

but i always wondered why they didn't do it at the time, why not have the main writer come first ?.


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I always thought that just using Lennon-McCartney was preferable to swapping the names back and forth but after thinking about it a bit more I'm not so sure. The writing credit for Yesterday always has John's name right after the song title, which is simply ridiculous when you consider that John was always pretty indifferent towards it.


I wonder should I call you but I know what you'd do You'd say I'm putting you on But it's no joke it's doing me harm....
Tell me tell me tell me come on tell me the answer You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer....
When I get near you The games begin to drag me down It's alright I'll make you maybe next time around....
I wonder where you are tonight and why I'm by myself...
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