I'd like to hear some bootlegs without the heavy production as well. Do you know where I can get a mono version? Cheers.
Check out a bootleg called Beware of ABCKO! It's the demos for ATMP. Info at Bootlegzone. Not sure that a proper mono mix of ATMP was ever made, although fold-downs could well exist.
I think this statement really hits it perfectly.. i think these songs as well as Living in the Material world really show George saying what he needed to say with so much love and so much passion. I have felt for a long time that if the production interferes with the message whatsoever then it's the worst thing that can be done.. There are tracks on the album where Spector's production certainly helped but i think George would have benefitted largely from a more sparse production more like that of The Band's Big Pink album... It's these songs that need to last not the style in which they were recorded.
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I'd like to hear some bootlegs without the heavy production as well. Do you know where I can get a mono version? Cheers
Check out a bootleg called Beware of ABCKO!
Totally agree. Art of Dying is very good as well.. with some cool tracks like Cosmic Empire, and Gopala Krishna. don't know about a mono mix
Check out a bootleg called Beware of ABCKO! It's the demos for ATMP. Info at Bootlegzone. Not sure that a proper mono mix of ATMP was ever made, although fold-downs could well exist.
I doubt that there's a mono mix at all. You could attempt to make your own if you have the software. But then all you'd get is a mono version of the stereo version, and not a mono mix.
I just want you to reassure him - talk to him, make him see the error of his ways. Then I'll hit him.
im not sure i get what the big deal is with mono mixes. In this day and age where we have pristine remasters of some of this stuff why the interest in mono? Surely thats a backwards step? We have two ears not one so to my mind that means that a remixed remastered stereo mix must sound nicer than a crusty old mono mix. no?
Because mono was the sound of the sixties and the way it was mixed in. There's differences in the mono and stereo mixes of the Beatles albums. BlueMeanie is your expert in these matters.
but by 1970 (ATMP) they were mixing directly into stereo weren't they? I get that the early albums have forced stereo mixes and therefore arent true stereo but by then they were making natural stereo recordings i thought. It kind of sounds a bit like inverted snobbery to me. What i mean is stereo is far more natural sound, its how we hear things in everyday life. And besides from what i understand, you cant hear true mono as it should be on a 2 speaker hi fithat we all have now so unless you have such a player isnt forced mono the same mess as forced stereo?
but by 1970 (ATMP) they were mixing directly into stereo weren't they? I get that the early albums have forced stereo mixes and therefore arent true stereo but by then they were making natural stereo recordings i thought. It kind of sounds a bit like inverted snobbery to me. What i mean is stereo is far more natural sound, its how we hear things in everyday life. And besides from what i understand, you cant hear true mono as it should be on a 2 speaker hi fithat we all have now so unless you have such a player isnt forced mono the same mess as forced stereo?
Forced mono is basically a 'fold down'. You can get the effect by flicking the mono switch on the hi-fi whilst playing a stereo recording. Sounds like crap.
I imagine that by 'forced stereo', you mean some of the crap that Capitol released in 63, and 64. Given a set of mono masters they contrived to produce a kind of faux stereo. I've heard bootleggers do it better! The later released stereo stuff in the UK, is mixed for stereo. I'm unaware if the Capitol Albums boxed sets were remixed properly for stereo, or if they're the original mixes. Whatever, they sound awful.
At least with 'forced stereo' you get to hear everything, though not necessarily in the ear that it was intended! Fold downs into mono just sound dreadful, but a good mono mix can be a revelation. Try listening to the mono version of Sgt. Pepper.
I just want you to reassure him - talk to him, make him see the error of his ways. Then I'll hit him.
As a footnote, it is extremely unlikely that the word mono was ever uttered while the ATMP master tapes were in earshot.
Having said that, The Beatles themselves were very big fans of mono, not seeing the point in stereo. As far as I'm aware, it wasn't until they recorded 'Abbey Road' that they dropped mono.
I just want you to reassure him - talk to him, make him see the error of his ways. Then I'll hit him.
Check out a bootleg called Beware of ABCKO! It's the demos for ATMP. Info at Bootlegzone. Not sure that a proper mono mix of ATMP was ever made, although fold-downs could well exist.
I just purchased a mono CD of All Things Nust Pass on the Japanese Mid Valley label. It should arrive in a week and I will post when I get it as to what it sounds like.
I just purchased a mono CD of All Things Nust Pass on the Japanese Mid Valley label. It should arrive in a week and I will post when I get it as to what it sounds like.
Mid Valley is a bootleg label. And as far as I know (someone correct me if I'm wrong) there was never a mono mix made from the ATMP masters. I can see no reason why they would have made one at the time, as stereo was by then, far and away the chosen sound choice. This means that Mid Valley have probably taken a very good quality stereo vinyl, and made the mono mix from that. It's a waste of time.
You'd be better off getting your hands on the Dr. Ebbett's ATMP.
I just want you to reassure him - talk to him, make him see the error of his ways. Then I'll hit him.
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