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fendertele
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just wondering who played the lead guitar on i want you/shes so heavy i had an idea it was john, but there is onyl one guitar by the sounds of it playing which would mean george then wouldnt have been involved in the song as all that was left is bass (paul) drums (ringo) and keyboard (preston) ?


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I think John and George both worked on the guitar part(s) of that one, but I stand to be corrected.
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I understood that Lennon played lead, and George rhythm. None of the lead sounds like George.


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yeah i thought john played lead and that was why it was so close to what he was singing ?


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I want to know this answer, as well. Does one of you scholarly people have the mega-super-documented book o' "who played what"?

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i thought john played lead and that was why it was so close to what he was singing ?

George was very Indian at that point, and a common technique is to double the voices with the instruments. He used this technique a lot. Of course, John could have borrowed the idea from him (actually, from the Indian musicians).


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My Revolution In The head book is in the shed somewhere but I am sure there will be clues in there. Judging by the fact there was 2 mixes used, it could have been any of them.
Wickipedia -
"I Want You (She's So Heavy)"
Main article: I Want You (She's So Heavy)
"I Want You (She's So Heavy)", is a combination of two somewhat different recording attempts. The first attempt occurred almost immediately after the "Get Back/Let It Be" sessions in February 1969 and featuring Billy Preston on keyboards. This was subsequently combined with a second version made during the "Abbey Road" sessions proper, and when edited together ran nearly 8 minutes long, making it The Beatles's second-longest released song ("Revolution 9" being the longest). Perhaps more than any other Beatles song, "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" reveals a pronounced progressive rock influence, with its unusual length and structure, repeating guitar riff, and "white noise" effects; the "I Want You" section has a straightforward blues structure. It also features one of the earliest uses of a Moog synthesizer to create the white-noise or "wind" effect heard near the end of the track. During the final edit, as the guitar riff continues on and on, Lennon told engineer Geoff Emerick to "cut it right there" at the 7:44 mark, creating a sudden, jarring silence which concluded side one of "Abbey Road". The final overdub session for "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" would be the last time all four Beatles worked in the studio together.

For the really good at researching, I know there is some relevant links on the All links Beatle thread somewhere...will have a nosey round.


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Could not find related in the All Links section but did find this from Wickipedia which did not come uo first time around...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Want_You_(She's_So_Heavy)

"I Want You (She's So Heavy)" is a song by The Beatles, from their album Abbey Road. It was written by John Lennon, although it is credited as a Lennon/McCartney collaboration.
The song is an unusual Beatles composition for a variety of reasons, namely its length (nearly eight minutes), its disproportionately small number of lyrics (there are only fourteen different words in the song), its three-minute descension through the same repeated guitar chords (a similar arpeggiated figure appears in another of Lennon's contributions to the album, "Because"), its hard rock sound, and for its instantaneous and unanticipated end. It is also one of the last songs that the Beatles mixed as a group, on August 20, 1969.
David Gates writes of the song, "The hypnotically repeated guitar figure in 'I Want You (She's So Heavy)' is suddenly, arbitrarily cut off, jolting us into embarrassed awareness that we've let a mere recording carry us away."
The sudden end of the song was intentional and orchestrated by Lennon. In the spirit of the band, it was pushing the boundaries of what was 'allowed' on a record; full volume slashes were certainly not the norm.

The recording

The song was rehearsed several times during the Get Back/Let It Be sessions; the basic track and John's guide vocal (which is used in the master) was recorded at Trident Studios on 22 February 1969, shortly after filming for the film project ended. John and George overdubbed multi-tracked heavy guitar overdubs on 18 April 1969, and Billy Preston overdubbed keyboards, and conga drums were also added on 20 April 1969. "I Want You", then received the "she's so heavy" vocals on 11 August 1969 and thus, the title was changed into "I Want You (She's So Heavy)".
Three takes from February 22 were edited into a master (2nd generation), which was overdubbed, mixed down on April 18 (3rd generation), and overdubbed on April 18 and 20 and August 11. Different overdubs were made to the 2nd generation tape August 8. The mix is the 3rd generation for 4:37 (up to "she's so") and then the 2nd generation tape, which has a white noise and additional drums added August 8.


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Thanks, Rick! I won't make you go to the shed just yet.

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I think John and George both worked on the guitar part(s) of that one, but I stand to be corrected.

Based on my Simon Leng book, Geoff is probably closest. In the EMI recordings section, Leng writes:

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Abbey Road may be the Beatles album that most heavily features Harrison's melodic signature, played on guitar or moog synthesizer (another Harrison innovation). Aside from "Oh! Darling", his is the most prominent musical voice on side one of the album. ... critically, he worked tirelessly on the guitar parts for "I Want You" to help realize Lennon's vision. Harrison contributed the climactic opening lead salvo, and the main counterpoint riff that defines the lengthy coda.


Since Leng calls out these two accomplishments in particular, I expect the other guitar contributions were Lennon's.

Edit: I composed this while you were writing the post above. It seems both accounts agree: there were 2 guitarists, with George composing the main riff sound.


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Don't bother going to your shed; Macdonald doesn't have much to add:

[George] worked closely with Lennon on the track, spending hours overdubbing the unison guitar riff and lending him the Moog synthesizer he'd brought back from California at the end of 1968. (p.300)
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Quoted from Geoff
Don't bother going to your shed; Macdonald doesn't have much to add:

[George] worked closely with Lennon on the track, spending hours overdubbing the unison guitar riff and lending him the Moog synthesizer he'd brought back from California at the end of 1968. (p.300)


Cheers Geoff thats good you said...i did not fancy a big rummage...Especially as i was still in me dressing gown at the time. lol


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More evidence that John did the musical echoes of his words. I just found this:

The Beatles - I Want You(shes so heavy) rehearsal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOMlITKEZ1o
Billy Preston Ringo Starr Play a Run thru of "I want you"(shes so heavy)Feb 22 1969

No mention in this note of George or Paul being on the session.


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Cheers Geoff thats good you said...i did not fancy a big rummage...Especially as i was still in me dressing gown at the time. lol


                      


I suspect harihead's onto what happened, though: the basic style of the guitar part is very Lennon-ish, but the technical approach (Indian doubling) may well have come from George. If so, it's all rather reminiscent of what happened on Come Together, a Lennon song in which Paul had a great deal to do with the arrangement. The Beatles really were a great unit.
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More evidence that John did the musical echoes of his words. I just found this:

The Beatles - I Want You(shes so heavy) rehearsal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOMlITKEZ1o
Billy Preston Ringo Starr Play a Run thru of "I want you"(shes so heavy)Feb 22 1969

No mention in this note of George or Paul being on the session.



Ah... well, that would would mean I'm out to lunch, then.

In fact, I will go out for lunch; food being one of the great consolations. Cheers.
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Quoted from Geoff
I suspect harihead's onto what happened, though: the basic style of the guitar part is very Lennon-ish, but the technical approach (Indian doubling) may well have come from George.  


LOL! No, you're not out to lunch (except technically). I think we've got it. Since George had been doubling voices on instrument since Sgt Pepper, John may very well have remembered the technique without George being in the room.

And I agree, The Beatles were a great unit.


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Since George had been doubling voices on instrument since Sgt Pepper, John may very well have remembered the technique without George being in the room.


You know, I never thought of that as an Indian technique until you mentioned it this morning. It seems blindingly obvious now, but it never occurred to me.  

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