I was listening to " Face Value " yesterday afternoon i've not played it for yonks , it really is a fantastic album . I'd forgotten it spent 274 weeks on the UK album charts .

I enjoyed Phil Colins both with Genesis and as a solo artist. I think he's got a great voice and that's good for drummers. My drummer friend complains that his band would never let him sing because "everyone knows" the drummer doesn't sing-- thanks to Ringo! So Phil was a nice balance.

Quoted from Sandra

At least Phil announced his retirement AFTER he toured. Maybe he's got some respect for his fans. Now that would be unusual.

I don't really know anything about him personally except he's apparently a Beatles fan. (He narrated the "Making of HDN" special). But this does sound like a decent move, timing-wise.

Quoted from harihead

(He narrated the "Making of HDN" special). But this does sound like a decent move, timing-wise.

He was in it!

Quoted from tkitna

Well, my opinion is that your opinion sucks.

A not so great prog band? Lol! Genesis was an incredible band. Also, saying that Phil Collins couldnt drum,,,maybe the dumbest thing I have ever read on the internet. I understand if you dont care for him or the band, but to say such things is crazy.

Dumbest ! , Genisis are in my opinion are bobbins , and if you listen to Gabriel albums from 3 onwards , i think i have a case that he is far better song writer, and indeed a singer , as don`t forget little phill was his replacement, and Gabriel did  not a sell out to the yuppie market  as Genesis did .
This is my opinon and if that is the dumbest thing you have ever heard , well fair enough , i take it you like a bit of Prog then , or is it just the cheeky chappy Phill ?
  

I cant dance !  is that good ?, oh yeh LoL!
Everyones entitled to there opinion , and that song i would use as my first case of evidence .
As its bobbins IMOP.
I thank you .
Goodbye little Phill you wont be missed in my world of Prog, as you were  never in it   , and by the way where has he been the last 18 years ?  [ estimated guess]
Sussudio , i hate that song so much , it hurts to type it in [imop]  

Oh yeh, he was in Hard Days , he has mentioned it once or twice or maybe everytime there s a microphone pointed at him .
What was he now ?, oh yeh he was in a very large crowd .
I think i have done .  

Quoted from BlueMeanie

He was in it!

Yes, this is what I meant. The show was also called "You Can't Do That" so I really screwed up this entry from start to finish, didn't I?

I really like Peter Gabriel as well. I guess I'm just a happy listener.

Quoted from mr kite

Dumbest ! , Genisis are in my opinion are bobbins , and if you listen to Gabriel albums from 3 onwards , i think i have a case that he is far better song writer, and indeed a singer , as don`t forget little phill was his replacement, and Gabriel did  not a sell out to the yuppie market  as Genesis did .
This is my opinon and if that is the dumbest thing you have ever heard , well fair enough , i take it you like a bit of Prog then , or is it just the cheeky chappy Phill ?

If you dont like the band, thats fine. There's a lot of bands I dont like, but if you reread my post, I stated that you said Collins was not a good drummer and thats one of the stupidest things i've ever read. The guy was downright fantastic.

By the way, are you a drummer? I'm just curious as to how your coming to your conclusion. If so, you really dont think he was a good drummer on any of the Genesis albums like 'Foxtrot', 'Nursery Crymes', 'Selling England By The Pound', 'A Trick Of The Tail', etc,,? How about other projects like the killer groove he played on Frida's 'Something Going On'? Maybe the killer stuff he played on 'Bad Love' by Clapton. We could talk about 'In The Air Tonight' with one of the most famous drum licks ever produced in modern music. Hell, maybe we should just ask some of these artists that are listed on Phils Drummerworld page -
Genesis
The Phil Collins Big Band
Peter Gabriel
Ray Cooper
Brian Eno
Sting
Helen Terry
Robert Plant
Eric Clapton
Paul McCartney
Brand X
Ozzy Osborne
Phil Bailey
B.B. King
Albert King
Paul Butterfield
The Manhattan Transfer
Oletta Adams
N Sync
Rosie O' Donnell
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Frida
Robert Fripp
John Cale
Adam Ant
Bunny Berigan
Philip Bailey
Peter Banks
Stephen Bishops
Brand X
Gary Brooker
Café Jacques
Camel
Al DiMeola
Empire
Frida
Dave Greenslade
Steve Hackett
Daryl Hall
Rupert Hine
Eddie Howell
Howard Jones
Jack Lancaster
Eliott Murphy
Ralph McTell
Mike Oldfield
Tears for Fears
Tina Turner

Yes, what you said was stupid.

Got to agree with TK on this one, sorry John. Collins is a marvellous drummer. I'll add Rod Argent, and John Martyn to your list. In particular, his drumming with Brand X I think is astonishing.

As someone with zero coordination i admire anyone who can drum and sing at the same time .

Ah ! I didn`t say he wasn`t a very good drummer , i said Genisis arnt a very good Prog band  in my opinoin , as a pop , group then i could name worse
If i was to ask someone then i would ask Jimmy Page  
Can i drum . no . , but that dosnt mean a dont know a good drummer when i hear one .  

In the air tonight ! , Neil Peart would do that in his sleep and still be disapointed, he didnt use another six skins !

My Friend McMaul can sing and drum , and i think he would give little Phil a run for his money I.M.O
And if you want to see a good prog drummer check out Carl Palmer , now he is a good drummer !I.MO.  

As i say this is just my opinion , and if you don`t agree , i have no problem with that, but Dumbest , that hurt  
I have seen a hell of a lot of bands and think i have a bit of knowledge on live bands .

Its better to post than not post at all, and think if i just have said , "Oh yeh that Phill was awesome ", i don`t think i would be true to myself .
Nice to have a debate  

Quoted from mr kite

Not good at anything , in my little humble of opinion  

Sorry, that statement would include drumming.

I agree that Phil was the wrong guy for the Zeppelin gig and it did suck. Phil's style is all wrong for Zeppelin. Granted though, I wouldnt want to hear Bonham doing early prog Genesis either. Doesnt work.

You bring up Neil Peart (as most people would that knows very little about drumming) and state that he could have done 'In The Air Tonight' in his sleep. Well let me tell you something about Neil Peart, he would have struggled with that song because he has ZERO feel when it comes to playing. He's a technical genius, but he's a freaking robot when it comes to swinging and feel. I love Rush, but he has never played anything that got me to sit down and think to my self that he was deep into the pocket and just letting himself go (ex- Keltner, Gadd, Blaine, Kunkel, Gordon, Bonzo). Everything he plays sounds like it comes off of a chart. Another example of this is when he was in the Buddy Rich tribute program. It was downright painful listening to him trying to play jazz. He has no swing at all. Wil Calhoun from 'Living Colour' embarrassed him when they solo'd together.

I love Carl Palmer and he's one of my favorites, but see above. The guy has insane snare skills, but his time keeping is horrible. Listen to any ELP and you can tell that.

As for you seeing a hell of a lot of bands and having a bit of knowledge about live bands,,,,,,well that definately is up for debate.

(awaiting for a response that i'm sure will include Keith Moon, Danny Carey, Mike Portnoy, Bill Bruford or even Travis Barker. This should be fun.)

Not good at anything , yeh , i did say that , but i was not and never considered him as a drummer , so i wasnn`t thinking in terms as a drummer .
Neil Peart ! Zero feel !  , well i can`t say anything about that , because i think he`s god and when you say to a god person , i don``t beleive in god , they say , well burn in hell then .  

Bonzo ! he`s next god , if Neil sells out [ see phill on that one ]
Moon !,   Love the Moon , but as good as he was i don`t think he would have made it in any other band .
As for the rest , well lets say , if people say drummers little Phill has never even entered my head, i just see him in thoses silly tank tops and heard blasting out of confertables of the yuppie kind and there god damn briefcaes in the back , with there sandwiches in .
Yes i hate Yuppies , and the whole 80s hell.

Zero ! , that hurt more than the dumbest .  
Debates , are subject to my opinion and nobody else , i have my own mind may it be wrong or right .
Last 18 odd years, not done anything worth talkin about , about Phill then ?
Thought not.  


Edit . Just rang Jimmy and he said "you were right tkitna he did suck "    

Personally, I can't stand Phil Collins' music. I actually hate it with a passion. But I'd never question his talent because obviously there's something there. I just hate his style of music. A lot. I think I can stand Against All Odds for some reason. So that's something. But that has more to do with personal memories.

Quoted from mr kite

Not good at anything , yeh , i did say that , but i was not and never considered him as a drummer , so i wasnn`t thinking in terms as a drummer .
Neil Peart ! Zero feel !  , well i can`t say anything about that , because i think he`s god and when you say to a god person , i don``t beleive in god , they say , well burn in hell then .  

Bonzo ! he`s next god , if Neil sells out [ see phill on that one ]
Moon !,   Love the Moon , but as good as he was i don`t think he would have made it in any other band .
As for the rest , well lets say , if people say drummers little Phill has never even entered my head, i just see him in thoses silly tank tops and heard blasting out of confertables of the yuppie kind and there god damn briefcaes in the back , with there sandwiches in .
Yes i hate Yuppies , and the whole 80s hell.

Zero ! , that hurt more than the dumbest .  
Debates , are subject to my opinion and nobody else , i have my own mind may it be wrong or right .
Last 18 odd years, not done anything worth talkin about , about Phill then ?
Thought not.  


Edit . Just rang Jimmy and he said "you were right tkitna he did suck "    

Hey man, I used to be in that 'Neil Peart is God' stage too, but then I grew up and realized that there's a ton of drummers better than him. Neils great, but he's a one trick pony. I prefer drummers that can play more than one style.

Phil won a grammy and oscar in the last 18 years. What has your boy Jimmy done?

Speaking of Jimmy, does one of the sloppiest live players ever really have the right to judge anybodys performance? Maybe the heroin is kicking in again.

Not my cup of tea, but can't deny the man had an ear for a good tune, and he's done well for himself.
Radio 4 did a doco on him recently: when Gabriel left Genisis Collins wanted to continue as a pure instrumental band - he didn't want to sing.

I remember that they auditioned a hell of a lot of singers. I think the ad in Melody Maker said 'Singer wanted for Genesis style band'. He had to be practically press ganged into the job.