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HeatherBoo
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That's true madman.  I guess I didn't think about the people who don't live in the major cities.  I have family in NJ but they live very close to Newark so public transportation is an option for them.  
I live in Sacramento, which is somewhat a big city...Not compared to San Francisco but it is certainly not small.  And everything is just so far apart.



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Only if you live in NYC, Boston, Philadelphia, etc.  Out in the suburbs, mass transit is spotty at best.  At least where I live, anyway.  During the week you might be able get around, but on the weekend, forget it.  You'll be stranded.

^^^^^Everything is far away for me, too, in Arkansas.  Alot of rural areas here and very little to none public transportation.  We do have buses that run in the city, but not out in the country.  You're on your own in getting from one place to another.  That's why I drive a Honda.







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We have a Honda too.  Good on gas and reliable.  Plus if something goes wrong with it, it is usually cheaper to fix.



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This is interesting:

Plan Would Lift Saudi Oil Output to Highest Ever

By JAD MOUAWAD
Published: June 14, 2008
Saudi Arabia, the world’s biggest oil exporter, is planning to increase its output next month by about a half-million barrels a day, according to analysts and oil traders who have been briefed by Saudi officials.

The increase could bring Saudi output to a production level of 10 million barrels a day, which, if sustained, would be the kingdom’s highest ever. The move was seen as a sign that the Saudis are becoming increasingly nervous about both the political and economic effect of high oil prices. In recent weeks, soaring fuel costs have incited demonstrations and protests from Italy to Indonesia.

Saudi Arabia is currently pumping 9.45 million barrels a day, which is an increase of about 300,000 barrels from last month.

While they are reaping record profits, the Saudis are concerned that today’s record prices might eventually damp economic growth and lead to lower oil demand, as is already happening in the United States and other developed countries. The current prices are also making alternative fuels more viable, threatening the long-term prospects of the oil-based economy.

President Bush visited Saudi Arabia twice this year, pleading with King Abdullah to step up production. While the Saudis resisted the calls then, arguing that the markets were well supplied, they seem to have since concluded that they needed to disrupt the momentum that has been building in commodity markets, sending prices higher.

The Saudi plans were disclosed in interviews with several oil traders and analysts who said that Saudi oil officials had privately conveyed their production plans recently to some traders and companies in the United States. The analysts declined to be identified so as not to be cut off from future information from the Saudis.

Last week, King Abdullah also took the unprecedented step of arranging on short notice a major gathering of oil producers and consumers to address the causes of the price rally. The meeting will be held on June 22 in the Red Sea town of Jeddah.

Oil prices have gained 40 percent this year, rising to nearly $140 a barrel in recent days and driving gasoline costs above $4 a gallon. Some analysts have predicted that prices could reach $200 a barrel this year as oil consumption continues to rise rapidly while supplies lag.

The growing volatility of the markets, including a record one-day gain of $10.75 a barrel last week, has persuaded the Saudis that they need to step in, analysts said.

Tony Fratto, a White House spokesman, said, “We would welcome any and all increases in oil production, including from Saudi Arabia.”

But the measure carries some risks to the kingdom and is not guaranteed to bring down prices, analysts said. Some investors doubt that Saudi Arabia has the capacity to increase its production beyond its current levels.

“This clearly represents the biggest test for them,” said John Kilduff, a senior vice president at the brokerage firm MF Global, who said the move could backfire if investors failed to respond to the extra Saudi supplies. No other producer has the capacity to quickly expand production.

Oil prices fell on Friday, slipping $1.88 to settle at $134.86 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange, after reports of the prospective Saudi increase trickled into the market.

Ibrahim al-Muhanna, an adviser at the Saudi petroleum ministry, declined to comment on the production increase but said that Saudi Arabia was uncomfortable with oil prices. “Our goal is to bring back stability to the oil market,” he said.

Consumers are complaining that rising fuel prices are imposing a growing toll on their economies, and contributing to higher food costs. The Australian prime minister, Kevin Rudd, said this month that it was time “to apply the blowtorch to the OPEC organization.”

In Washington, bipartisan support is also growing to pass a law allowing the Justice Department to engage in antitrust proceedings against OPEC producers accused of curbing supplies to drive up prices.

Pressure is also mounting in consuming countries to address record energy prices. Congress is debating measures that would tackle speculators, whom many in Washington blame for driving up commodity prices.

When the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, of which Saudi Arabia is the most powerful member, met in March, it decided against increasing production, blaming speculators and a declining dollar, not a shortfall in supplies, for driving up oil prices.

Saudi Arabia’s unilateral policy could put it at odds with other members of the OPEC cartel. In a report from the group’s secretariat on Friday, OPEC analysts said they saw no need to put more oil on the market. “Claims that the recent surge in prices is due to a supply shortage are unjustified,” the report said.

Saudi Arabia is completing a huge expansion program in its oil industry that is expected to bring its production capacity to 12.5 million barrels a day by 2009. As part of that expansion, Saudi Aramco, the country’s national oil company, is planning to start soon an oil field, called Khursaniyah, with a daily production rate of 500,000 barrels.

The production increase, which would amount to less than 1 percent of global consumption, could be made public next week at the energy meeting, which is expected to bring together a large number of consuming and producing countries, including the United States, Russia, Britain, China, India and Japan.

While the meeting is not expected to achieve anything tangible, Saudi officials hope that tackling the issue publicly will break the upward momentum that is dominating oil markets.

“They’ve created pressure on themselves to make a concrete move at this meeting,” said Adam Robinson, an analyst at Lehman Brothers. “But when the king calls an oil summit, the markets would do well to take heed.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/14/business/14oil.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
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Are we really going to notice an increase that "would amount to less than 1 percent of global consumption"?  I doubt it.  It's more psychological than anything.

All OPEC wants is to keep oil a price high enough so they can make a buck (fair enough) but low enough to discourage the development of alternative fuels.  But we still need to develop other sources, since this new maximum output can't be sustained forever and will just hasten the depletion of whatever oil is left.
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We have a Honda too.  Good on gas and reliable.  Plus if something goes wrong with it, it is usually cheaper to fix.


^^^^^This is my second Honda.........2004 Accord.  Had a 1994 Accord before that.  Great gas mileage on both of them.






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Japanese cars seem to be dependable vehicles.



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^^^^^^^^^Very dependable.  I won't drive anything BUT Japanese made.  And I'm very partial to my Hondas.  Before I had my two Hondas, I drove Ford T-Birds................."LEMONS"..............NEVER AGAIN!!!!






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Before I had my two Hondas, I drove Ford T-Birds................."LEMONS"..............NEVER AGAIN!!!!


I knew a guy in high school who had an absolute loathing for Fords: in fact, I don't recall him ever saying "Ford" without adding an obscene adjective or six; it was always "%^$#@$%!! Ford."

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"Ford".................."Found On Roads Dead"...............






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I was going to trade my car in for one these things on the theory that hay is cheaper than gas, but apparently they come with drawbacks, too.  

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Quoted from aspinall_lover
"Ford".................."Found On Roads Dead"...............



"Ford" ..................."Fix or Repair Daily"  


I love John,
I love Paul,
And George and Ringo,
I love them all!

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I was going to trade my car in for one these things on the theory that hay is cheaper than gas, but apparently they come with drawbacks, too.  



I guess that means you're still, umm, up in the air about that decision?  


I love John,
I love Paul,
And George and Ringo,
I love them all!

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"Ford" ..................."Fix or Repair Daily"  

^^^^^^You're right...........that is the other "Ford" "slogan"...........LOL!!!!!







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I guess that means you're still, umm, up in the air about that decision?  


Nah; I've decided: no mule. But buying a shovel and digging holes until I finally find my own oil stash somewhere has gone way up on the list of possibilities.  

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