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Also, there are lots of people that don't know what is allowed or not allowed.


Just because people do things that are wrong doesn't mean that they don't know it's wrong... If they're honest to themselves...


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I bet you're referring to the Bob Spitz-remark!  


LOL!  


Well, your Beatle knowledge is unquestionable! No question about it. I would never question you knowledge of the Beatles.  


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Just because people do things that are wrong doesn't mean that they don't know it's wrong... If they're honest to themselves...


People without a conscience think they are justified in doing whatever it is they want to do. They don't believe the same standards of behavior apply to them. And people who are clinically insane very well might not know wrong from right. But I think this is a very select few.


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A human being tends to justify themselves in everything. Then they start to believe that it was even the only possible and correct thing to do. Be honest to yourself and remember several occasions you did it too. Human nature is imperfect.
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"... millions of people who believe in God have been killed by those who don't believe in God" .

Hitler, Ghengis Khan, WW I ... I don't think they killed for God. And even when people say they were marching off to war in the name of God ... the Crusades, the Bosnian war of the 90s (wasn't that Muslims against Christians?), "religious" people killing doctors because they sometimes perform abortions ... I wouldn't bet that God signed off on those either.


Oh baby. I think most wars are the result of ethnic conflict. Religion is one of the major things an ethnic group uses to identify and differentiate itself, ergo......


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Oh baby. I think most wars are the result of ethnic conflict. Religion is one of the major things an ethnic group uses to identify and differentiate itself, ergo......


Good point...

The troubles in Northern Ireland for instance are often described as a conflict between protestants and catholics, but I think it's safe to say that religion didn't actually have a whole lot to do with that.


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Good point...

The troubles in Northern Ireland for instance are often described as a conflict between protestants and catholics, but I think it's safe to say that religion didn't actually have a whole lot to do with that.


Religion really had nothing to do with it at all. This was a struggle between the Nationalists (predominately Catholic), and the Unionists (predominately Protestant), about Northern Ireland's status within the UK. Not about whether it was right or wrong to be of either faith.


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Religion really had nothing to do with it at all. This was a struggle between the Nationalists (predominately Catholic), and the Unionists (predominately Protestant), about Northern Ireland's status within the UK. Not about whether it was right or wrong to be of either faith.


Yet if you're dealing with a principally catholic and a principally protestant camp that hate each other's guts it's inevitable that religion will get dragged into the whole thing. Even the IRA and UVF obviously did a lot of things that in no way can be religiously justified.


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Yet if you're dealing with a principally catholic and a principally protestant camp that hate each other's guts it's inevitable that religion will get dragged into the whole thing. Even the IRA and UVF obviously did a lot of things that in no way can be religiously justified.


Oh sure, but it wasn't what started it, or even what drove it on. I think there's been more violence at a Rangers-Celtic match because of religious beliefs. The thing is that it was your religion that singled you out - so if you were Catholic, people would assume you were a Nationalist. Even if you weren't.


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Oh baby. I think most wars are the result of ethnic conflict. Religion is one of the major things an ethnic group uses to identify and differentiate itself, ergo......


I think most wars are the result of striving for power. At least that`s what they appear to have been so far. Future conflicts or wars may be racial ones.
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I think most wars are the result of striving for power. At least that`s what they appear to have been so far. Future conflicts or wars may be racial ones.


Both Germany and Japan considered their racial superiority the basis for their territorial rights. the majority of Stalins crimes were commiterd against non-Russian ethnic groups. I think it is very much with us now.


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Both Germany and Japan considered their racial superiority the basis for their territorial rights. the majority of Stalins crimes were commiterd against non-Russian ethnic groups. I think it is very much with us now.


Oh, yes, i agree with you. The strange thing is that Stalin himself wasn`t a Russian, he was a Georgian from the South of the country. He removed some ethnic groups to other parts, for example the Crimean Tatars, and eliminated, killed, a large amount of educated people, especially scientists, of various nationalities. The world hasn`t grown any wiser.
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