Quoted from legthi

You are everything that is wrong with this world.

Let's try to stick to arguments and avoid personal attacks... I think's it's been a healthy discussion so far.

Quoted from Joost

Let's try to stick to arguments and avoid personal attacks... I think's it's been a healthy discussion so far.

Joost how can you say that, when what tkitna said could easily be interpreted as an insult or a personal attack towards me, or any other member of the board?? I can take that out of my post if you like, but that would not make us fair, and from you're comments I feel you probably even agree with me on this one.

Quoted from legthi

Joost how can you say that, when what tkitna said could easily be interpreted as an insult or a personal attack towards me, or any other member of the board?? I can take that out of my post if you like, but that would not make us fair, and from you're comments I feel you probably even agree with me on this one.

I obviously very strongly disagree with some of Tkitna's opinions. However, you can respect a person even if you don't respect his opinions. For as far as I can remember, Tkitna has never resorted to nasty personal attacks or petty name calling on this board, so I think he deserves a civilized discussion.

Plus, I don't really feel like getting into the type of 'discussions' we used to have here when Wayne L was still around.

I'd actually be less insulted if Tkitna did call me petty names, because then it wouldn't mean anything as he doesn't know me personally, - I may as well be anybody.
What he stated was actually far worse than this in my opinion, and I see it as a completely unnessecary attack, as he demonstrated in his post what he did when he encountered a homosexual. I'm sorry but that's really offensive. I believe there would be uproar if I said I do the same thing to black people in my home - this is really no different.             what he said was far worse than my comments.
Oh and just for the record, i'm not gay myself...just tolerant and sane

Quoted from legthi

what he said was far worse than my comments.

No, what you said wasn't worse. But why make it personal? I'd rather keep this discussion substancial. Whenever you disagree with someone, isn't it more interesting to know what his reasons are than to just let him know that he's not making sense?

This Liberal Christian is ok with what tkitna said , it's a view held by many , i just don't agree with it .
He's been honest .
He asked the gay person to leave his house , he did'nt kill them , which indicates to me he's not totally rabid .

Yeah we all have freedom of speech and can speak our opinions, but tkitna can't dish out that rubbish all over the board and not expect someone to pick up on it, or try and get back at them for it. Ok I regret saying what I did about him (although I still believe it), even though it was no more personal than what he said. It wasn't! I'm trying not to make this personal, but thats hard to do when he demonstrates hate and discrimination in his post(s) that so clearly offends many people. I'm done with all the personal stuff, but my original points remain.

And daveram, I'm not a liberal christian myself so none of the religious stuff tkitna said applies to me, or even means anything. If someone wants to quote scriptures written by PEOPLE as 'proof' why something is wrong, fair enough, go ahead, but don't expect any of us to take it seriously.

Quoted from legthi

And daveram, I'm not a liberal christian myself

Of course you aren't, cause you're board member #666.  

This not so goody goody liberal christian as rolled a fat one   , i don't think people will ever agree on this one .
All i know is i'm not changing my view i love my gay friends

Quoted from DaveRam

i love my gay friends

And just how much do you love your gay friends, Dave?  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        




Sorry for that.  

Hey, it wasn't worse than the 'thumbs up' comment, right?

Right?  

Quoted from tkitna

Lets end this with a little bit of humor.

     

I really wanted to see what you thought about what I was trying to say in my post. I know it was long winded and boring, but I thought if we're going to use a certain book as a standard of belief than we should look at more than just one passage. What do you make of the rest of it? I mean, do you see my point as valid or not? And if not, why? I'm only just wondering. I mean, we can end the discussion and I understand, but I was just curious as to your thoughts. Which I will respect no matter what I personally feel myself.  

I think both Joost and Tkitna have handled their differences with dignity and at the same time presented views which can enlighten both sides. A lesson in itself to be had.

Quoted from legthi

And daveram, I'm not a liberal christian myself so none of the religious stuff tkitna said applies to me, or even means anything. If someone wants to quote scriptures written by PEOPLE as 'proof' why something is wrong, fair enough, go ahead, but don't expect any of us to take it seriously.

This is where I think a lot of people fall short. Of course you don't have to believe in the bible or any religious work, but it behooves all of us to have an awareness of what people believe in and have some level of respect for it. To say people won't take it seriously is not the answer. How can a discussion ever be had or an agreement ever be made? I'm speaking globally here now.

"It is the duty of every cultured man or woman to read sympathetically the scriptures of the world. If we are to respect others' religions as we would have them respect our own, a friendly study of the world's religions is a sacred duty."-Gandhi

Anyway, I personally think this discussion has been very healthy and I'm glad to have been able to read everyone's comments.  

Quoted from legthi

Yeah we all have freedom of speech and can speak our opinions, but tkitna can't dish out that rubbish all over the board and not expect someone to pick up on it, or try and get back at them for it. Ok I regret saying what I did about him (although I still believe it), even though it was no more personal than what he said. It wasn't! I'm trying not to make this personal, but thats hard to do when he demonstrates hate and discrimination in his post(s) that so clearly offends many people. I'm done with all the personal stuff, but my original points remain.

Hey Legthi, I apologize if I offended you (which is apparent). Actually, at the time of my story that I had posted earlier about asking that person to leave, it was more due to fear than hate and discrimination. I didnt know how to react and I didnt want my kids around it. Yes, I feel strongly about my stance and just like this thread, society also pushes me to change my thoughts. Why is that? Am I so wrong as to not to accept that lifestyle?