Good.

and what of mairis post you deleted????

What are you talking about? Can you be more specific. Because, I don't go around deleting ANYTHING unless it's obscene or spam. I must have deleted one or two posts since being a mod and not by any of the regulars. If I deleted something by mistake, I'd say so. I haven't deleted anything today, yesterday, or for the last few months. I don't appreciate the way you're just accusing me of things without even having the courtesy of asking me or pming me. Just because you're holding some old grudge.

And if Mairi thinks I deleted a post, then she should ask me.

BTW, you did this a couple of months ago with another mod. Started randomly accusing them of things they didn't do. I'm sorry I ever stuck up for you now. I'm beginning to think all you're doing is trying to stir things up. I say this because if you REALLY had an issue with a mod, you would be responsible and PM them and ask. That's what rational people do. Instead you choose to make your accusations public. Why? So you can try to make others believe we're all power hungry, irresponsible mods that delete or edit on a whim. That's the only reason I can think of for your behavior. And I resent it.

And thanks for ruining my thread.

Quoted from Geoff

I'm not sure how much of the live performance is on the record; The Beatles were playing with a pre-recorded backing track:

# It was decided early on that the song would be played and sung "live" to a pre-recorded backing track, the scope of the production being so vast. On June 14, a guide track was laid down featuring John on harpsichord, Paul on bass violin, George on violin, and Ringo on tambourine. Drums, piano, and John on lead vocal and banjo were overdubbed on the 19th, along with some editing; orchestral overdubs along with additional instruments were added on the 23rd and 24th.
# Finally, this mix was played during the live broadcast on the 25th, with John singing lead, Paul on bass, Ringo on drums, George on lead guitar, and a small live orchestra. Uncomfortable with his nervous performance, John recut his lead vocal a few hours later, away from cameras; the next day Ringo's drum roll was added as an intro and a final mix was made. This is the mix we know as the hit single.

http://oldies.about.com/od/thebeatlessongs/a/allyouneedlove.htm

I'll bet Mark Lewisohn's cleared it all up, but I haven't got copies of his books with me here.  

Should we be skeptical about all this, as it's been said before that Ringo couldn't do a proper drum roll?

Quoted from alexis

Should we be skeptical about all this, as it's been said before that Ringo couldn't do a proper drum roll?

Sez who? George Martin?  

But of course we should be skeptical; I want to find Mark Lewisohn's take on this.  

Cool video!  I am not a huge fan of The Who, but I can appreciate their music and their contribution to rock & roll.

Mark Lewisohn on "All You Need Is Love:"

Take 58 was the all important broadcast version, although George Martin greatly decreased the dreaded possibility of an on-air foul-up by having The Beatles play to their own pre-recorded rhythm track of take ten. The vocals, Paul's bass guitar, the lead guitar solo in the middle eight section, Ringo's drums and the orchestra were actually live, however. An instantaneous mono mix by George Martin and Geoff Emerick was fed directly to the BBC van and thence to the world. [Chronicle, p. 259]

After the excitement was over, the TV cameras switched off and the guests departed, John re-recorded some of his vocal track, the session ending at 1.00 am. [p. 260]

[On the following day,] a 4.00-8.00 pm session saw the overdubbing of a snare drum roll by Ringo for the opening of "All You Need Is Love," followed by final mono mixing. [p.260]

So yeah, the drums were live and it's possible Keith Moon is in the final mix somewhere.  

That's interesting stuff Geoff! Thanks! I only wonder why Moon wasn't mentioned as sharing Ringo's drum kit as it looks as though he's playing with him. I have no idea what sound to look for with the brushes and all, but when you watch his arms, it goes along with what's being played. And he seems to play throughout the entire video. So why on earth wouldn't that deserve some mention? I mean, people argue over who sang the She Loves You bit endlessly yet this gathers no interest? Hmm. Either way, I'm thrilled just seeing it exists. Very cool of them to let him do that.

Quoted from Sandra

I only wonder why Moon wasn't mentioned as sharing Ringo's drum kit as it looks as though he's playing with him. I have no idea what sound to look for with the brushes and all, but when you watch his arms, it goes along with what's being played. And he seems to play throughout the entire video. So why on earth wouldn't that deserve some mention?  

I don't think he's playing Ringo's drum kit (if that is in fact Keith); it looks to me like he's off to Ringo's left and a bit away from him. It's also hard to to see what he's playing in the 1:10-1:16 shot because someone's head is in the way.

If that is Keith adding some percussion, I suspect it was probably just forgotten about after the performance, and if no-one had mentioned it at the time it would have gone unnoticed because until the Anthology video came out in 1995, the tape wasn't widely (if at all) available. The soundtrack was on bootlegs by the eighties, but I remember seeing the un-colorized original videotape only once or twice before the Anthology set came out. The whole business probably just slipped into the past after the night of the performance.  

As an admittedly Moon obsessed person, I can say without hesitation that I'm 100% sure it's Moon. When they go to close up, his arms are in clear view and you see him do the drumstick twirl. You can even see the ring he wears. Plus before the close up, you can get a pretty good look at him. He's a pretty easily identifiable guy! As is the way he moves his arms when he drums. Also, at the very end when it goes back to Ringo, Moon's face is right in the forefront. He gets a close up. It's on the promo DVD I have. If you watch it on a television, he's easier to see. It kind of looks like he's sitting to the side of Ringo's kit playing on his kit, but I'll watch again. I just think that with all the Beatle facts flying about, this one would have come up at some time! I mean, there's a lot of Beatles minutia that gets covered to death, so you know. And he's not exactly a small time guy himself! Anyway, it just thrills me to death seeing my favorite drummer playing with my favorite band! No offense to Ringo of course!  

Quoted from pc31

so now you are deleting my posts sondra????i don't think anybody that biased should have that type of authority....and if you don't stop deleting my post...i will ask that you be removed as a moderator....i simply provided you with information...that was what you requested wasn't it???

Marshal please do not put such discussions in not appropriate threads and do not accuse people having no evidences. Such rules are for all members here.
I didn't find in logs a record about deleting posts in this thread. I don't know why, maybe logs are incorrect. But can't do anything else. Sorry.

Could you please post your message again here?

Quoted from Sandra

As an admittedly Moon obsessed person, I can say without hesitation that I'm 100% sure it's Moon. When they go to close up, his arms are in clear view and you see him do the drumstick twirl. You can even see the ring he wears. Plus before the close up, you can get a pretty good look at him. He's a pretty easily identifiable guy! As is the way he moves his arms when he drums. Also, at the very end when it goes back to Ringo, Moon's face is right in the forefront. He gets a close up. It's on the promo DVD I have. If you watch it on a television, he's easier to see. It kind of looks like he's sitting to the side of Ringo's kit playing on his kit, but I'll watch again. I just think that with all the Beatle facts flying about, this one would have come up at some time! I mean, there's a lot of Beatles minutia that gets covered to death, so you know. And he's not exactly a small time guy himself! Anyway, it just thrills me to death seeing my favorite drummer playing with my favorite band! No offense to Ringo of course!  

So, Sondra, OT perhaps but ... I love Keith's drumming, it is so manic, IMO completely makes up for the lack of a 2nd guitar (though Pete did his bit to do that as well!).

I've heard that he wasn't the most on time drummer to begin with, and after the alcohol and drugs started messing too much with his brain, he couldn't drum much at all ... got kicked out of The Who even ... can that be true?

Thanks!  

Quoted from alexis

So, Sondra, OT perhaps but ... I love Keith's drumming, it is so manic, IMO completely makes up for the lack of a 2nd guitar (though Pete did his bit to do that as well!).

I've heard that he wasn't the most on time drummer to begin with, and after the alcohol and drugs started messing too much with his brain, he couldn't drum much at all ... got kicked out of The Who even ... can that be true?

Thanks!  

He was with The Who up until the end. There's an interview of him and Pete on Good Morning America about a month before his death. They were promoting TKAA which ending up coming out after Keith died. Roger, however, DID get kicked out of the band at one point. Briefly. He and Moon had a huge fight. Roger threw Keith's drugs into the toilet, Keith tried to attack Roger, Roger, being as buff as he always was, kicked Moon's butt and the others kicked him out of the band. Then everyone cooled down I guess and all was well. Except that Keith pretty much always hated Roger. Ironic now that Roger wants to make this movie about Keith showing what a great guy he was.   You should read Keith Moon's bio. It's fantastic.

Roger starts messing with Keith's drums during Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere. I love how Keith reacts.  

Quoted from Sandra

I had never seen this version of the video. The ending is completely different. Can somebody PLEASE tell me if that's Keith Moon at the very end of the video and more importantly, is he playing the drums along with Ringo???!! Or am I losing my mind. And if he is, I may lose my mind because that would just be too cool. And also, how on earth hasn't this ever been discussed. It he in fact is playing along with Ringo. Which it apparently looks like he IS doing. It's right after the: She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah, part.

it is keith moon but i dont think he is behind a drum kit and he doesnt look like he is holding any sticks i think he is just air drumming along to it.

He's got brushes. Watch full screen. You can see him twirl at one point. During Ringo's close up. Keith's hands are in the screen and his stick is in full view in the first pic. In the second pic, it looks like it could be Ringo's stick, but if you watch the video, what's in his hand is twirling, and it sure ain't Ringo doing the twirling!   Hard to see the brushes in the blurry video, but clearer if you watch the Anthology DVD.