I had never seen this version of the video. The ending is completely different. Can somebody PLEASE tell me if that's Keith Moon at the very end of the video and more importantly, is he playing the drums along with Ringo???!! Or am I losing my mind. And if he is, I may lose my mind because that would just be too cool. And also, how on earth hasn't this ever been discussed. It he in fact is playing along with Ringo. Which it apparently looks like he IS doing. It's right after the: She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah, part.
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I've already watched it about five times and I have no doubt in my mind that it's Keith. I can tell just by the way he moves his arms. BUT...is he actually playing along with them????? Because, oh my God. And why isn't this something that's mentioned ever??? And HA to those who say he couldn't play with any other band but the Who! Unless I'm wrong that he's playing which in that case HA to me.
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You can see him again at the far right of the screen in the crowd just to Ringo's left at about 1:10 -1:16. Not sure who it is, or what he's playing, if anything. Dunno, really.
You're right! Good eye. I wonder if you can see it on the Anthology DVD. Guess I gotta watch it now! I watched this one full screen and he's either playing something or pretending to play something cuz he's got drumsticks and his arms are moving up and down to the beat. Why he would be pretending is beyond me though, but it is Keith Moon. But if he isn't, then I don't understand why this wouldn't be something a little more significant. And with all the Beatles knowledge here I figure someone probably knows something about this. Maybe they just don't feel like answering. I tried looking it up, but it only lists him as chorus. I would just find it really fascinating if they actually did let him play with them on a live performance. And if he is playing, can his drumming be heard on the recording??
Ever hear the story of when Moon asked to join them? Jokingly of course, but still pretty bold!
Well, I finally found something that at least eluded to it:
The following Sunday, June 25, the first live round-the-world satellite television broadcast aired, with entertainers from 26 countries performing during the course of the two-hour event. The Beatles represented Britain, and their performance of “All You Need is Love,” complete with orchestral accompaniment, piccolo trumpets, Mick Jagger singing and clapping along, Keith Richards parading around in a sandwich sign, John Lennon chewing gum while he sang and Keith Moon offering Ringo assistance on brushes, mesmerized the worldwide audience of 400 million, giving the Summer of Love its motto and theme song.
Interesting. I mean, you'd think it would deserve a mention somewhere. Whatever. Anyway, I think it's pretty cool. Being a Moon fan and all. Wish I knew how to detect the sound of brushes!
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I'm not sure how much of the live performance is on the record; The Beatles were playing with a pre-recorded backing track:
# It was decided early on that the song would be played and sung "live" to a pre-recorded backing track, the scope of the production being so vast. On June 14, a guide track was laid down featuring John on harpsichord, Paul on bass violin, George on violin, and Ringo on tambourine. Drums, piano, and John on lead vocal and banjo were overdubbed on the 19th, along with some editing; orchestral overdubs along with additional instruments were added on the 23rd and 24th. # Finally, this mix was played during the live broadcast on the 25th, with John singing lead, Paul on bass, Ringo on drums, George on lead guitar, and a small live orchestra. Uncomfortable with his nervous performance, John recut his lead vocal a few hours later, away from cameras; the next day Ringo's drum roll was added as an intro and a final mix was made. This is the mix we know as the hit single.
I'm not sure how much of the live performance is on the record; The Beatles were playing with a pre-recorded backing track:
# It was decided early on that the song would be played and sung "live" to a pre-recorded backing track, the scope of the production being so vast. On June 14, a guide track was laid down featuring John on harpsichord, Paul on bass violin, George on violin, and Ringo on tambourine. Drums, piano, and John on lead vocal and banjo were overdubbed on the 19th, along with some editing; orchestral overdubs along with additional instruments were added on the 23rd and 24th. # Finally, this mix was played during the live broadcast on the 25th, with John singing lead, Paul on bass, Ringo on drums, George on lead guitar, and a small live orchestra. Uncomfortable with his nervous performance, John recut his lead vocal a few hours later, away from cameras; the next day Ringo's drum roll was added as an intro and a final mix was made. This is the mix we know as the hit single.
I'll bet Mark Lewisohn's cleared it all up, but I haven't got copies of his books with me here.
I thought some of what they were playing live made it on. Like George's guitar solo? I guess if it were anything significant, it would be noted in books and stuff. I just can't believe I never spotted him there before! Just seeing Moon in a Beatles video sitting next to Ringo "drumming" makes me happy as a clam! I love how he managed to muscle his way in there somehow! Charmer.
From Wiki: Moon once approached the Beatles' table at a London nightclub. "Can I join you?" he asked. "Yeah, sure," said Starr, as he pulled up a seat for Moon. Moon then said, "No, can I join you?", implying that he wanted to join the band. Ringo replied with, "No, we've already got a drummer."
OMG, at about 1:21, right as Ringo's getting his big close up, Moon does the drumstick twirl! That's just too great! I love how you can see Moon's hands in there drumming right through Ringo's moment. It's so obvious. Again, how I never noticed that is beyond me! Ringo must have loved him! Sharing his drums and all. So cool of him!
Okay, I'm done! I think. Forgot there aren't many Who fans around here anymore!
Moon once approached the Beatles' table at a London nightclub. "Can I join you?" he asked. "Yeah, sure," said Starr, as he pulled up a seat for Moon. Moon then said, "No, can I join you?", implying that he wanted to join the band. Ringo replied with, "No, we've already got a drummer."
Great story; thanks.
Actually, I'm not sure at all how much of the backing track was used in the final mix. It may have been very little. I just raise the question because the recording as we have it is a composite of studio and live performances, and the possibility of Moon's presence on the track would in part depend on how much of the drums came from the "Our World" performance. I'll have to go scrounge a Mark Lewisohn, I guess.
Forgot there aren't many Who fans around here anymore!
Er, count me as a rekindled Who fan: I bought The Ultimate Collection and Who's Next a week or so ago and have been playing them both ever since. Overexposure on rock radio killed those guys for me years ago, but I haven't heard a straight rock station in years now, too, and the old distaste has quite gone away.
so now you are deleting my posts sondra????i don't think anybody that biased should have that type of authority....and if you don't stop deleting my post...i will ask that you be removed as a moderator....i simply provided you with information...that was what you requested wasn't it???
so now you are deleting my posts sondra????i don't think anybody that biased should have that type of authority....and if you don't stop deleting my post...i will ask that you be removed as a moderator....i simply provided you with information...that was what you requested wasn't it???
What are you talking about? What posts do you think I deleted? I haven't deleted any posts at any time. Why don't you ask me first before accusing. If I felt the need to delete anything, I'd say it to you, I wouldn't do it behind your back. And why would I delete a post with information? I don't get you sometimes.
What are you talking about? Can you be more specific. Because, I don't go around deleting ANYTHING unless it's obscene or spam. I must have deleted one or two posts since being a mod and not by any of the regulars. If I deleted something by mistake, I'd say so. I haven't deleted anything today, yesterday, or for the last few months. I don't appreciate the way you're just accusing me of things without even having the courtesy of asking me or pming me. Just because you're holding some old grudge.
And if Mairi thinks I deleted a post, then she should ask me.
BTW, you did this a couple of months ago with another mod. Started randomly accusing them of things they didn't do. I'm sorry I ever stuck up for you now. I'm beginning to think all you're doing is trying to stir things up. I say this because if you REALLY had an issue with a mod, you would be responsible and PM them and ask. That's what rational people do. Instead you choose to make your accusations public. Why? So you can try to make others believe we're all power hungry, irresponsible mods that delete or edit on a whim. That's the only reason I can think of for your behavior. And I resent it.
I'm not sure how much of the live performance is on the record; The Beatles were playing with a pre-recorded backing track:
# It was decided early on that the song would be played and sung "live" to a pre-recorded backing track, the scope of the production being so vast. On June 14, a guide track was laid down featuring John on harpsichord, Paul on bass violin, George on violin, and Ringo on tambourine. Drums, piano, and John on lead vocal and banjo were overdubbed on the 19th, along with some editing; orchestral overdubs along with additional instruments were added on the 23rd and 24th. # Finally, this mix was played during the live broadcast on the 25th, with John singing lead, Paul on bass, Ringo on drums, George on lead guitar, and a small live orchestra. Uncomfortable with his nervous performance, John recut his lead vocal a few hours later, away from cameras; the next day Ringo's drum roll was added as an intro and a final mix was made. This is the mix we know as the hit single.
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Mark Lewisohn on "All You Need Is Love:"
Take 58 was the all important broadcast version, although George Martin greatly decreased the dreaded possibility of an on-air foul-up by having The Beatles play to their own pre-recorded rhythm track of take ten. The vocals, Paul's bass guitar, the lead guitar solo in the middle eight section, Ringo's drums and the orchestra were actually live, however. An instantaneous mono mix by George Martin and Geoff Emerick was fed directly to the BBC van and thence to the world. [Chronicle, p. 259]
After the excitement was over, the TV cameras switched off and the guests departed, John re-recorded some of his vocal track, the session ending at 1.00 am. [p. 260]
[On the following day,] a 4.00-8.00 pm session saw the overdubbing of a snare drum roll by Ringo for the opening of "All You Need Is Love," followed by final mono mixing. [p.260]
So yeah, the drums were live and it's possible Keith Moon is in the final mix somewhere.
That's interesting stuff Geoff! Thanks! I only wonder why Moon wasn't mentioned as sharing Ringo's drum kit as it looks as though he's playing with him. I have no idea what sound to look for with the brushes and all, but when you watch his arms, it goes along with what's being played. And he seems to play throughout the entire video. So why on earth wouldn't that deserve some mention? I mean, people argue over who sang the She Loves You bit endlessly yet this gathers no interest? Hmm. Either way, I'm thrilled just seeing it exists. Very cool of them to let him do that.
I only wonder why Moon wasn't mentioned as sharing Ringo's drum kit as it looks as though he's playing with him. I have no idea what sound to look for with the brushes and all, but when you watch his arms, it goes along with what's being played. And he seems to play throughout the entire video. So why on earth wouldn't that deserve some mention?
I don't think he's playing Ringo's drum kit (if that is in fact Keith); it looks to me like he's off to Ringo's left and a bit away from him. It's also hard to to see what he's playing in the 1:10-1:16 shot because someone's head is in the way.
If that is Keith adding some percussion, I suspect it was probably just forgotten about after the performance, and if no-one had mentioned it at the time it would have gone unnoticed because until the Anthology video came out in 1995, the tape wasn't widely (if at all) available. The soundtrack was on bootlegs by the eighties, but I remember seeing the un-colorized original videotape only once or twice before the Anthology set came out. The whole business probably just slipped into the past after the night of the performance.
As an admittedly Moon obsessed person, I can say without hesitation that I'm 100% sure it's Moon. When they go to close up, his arms are in clear view and you see him do the drumstick twirl. You can even see the ring he wears. Plus before the close up, you can get a pretty good look at him. He's a pretty easily identifiable guy! As is the way he moves his arms when he drums. Also, at the very end when it goes back to Ringo, Moon's face is right in the forefront. He gets a close up. It's on the promo DVD I have. If you watch it on a television, he's easier to see. It kind of looks like he's sitting to the side of Ringo's kit playing on his kit, but I'll watch again. I just think that with all the Beatle facts flying about, this one would have come up at some time! I mean, there's a lot of Beatles minutia that gets covered to death, so you know. And he's not exactly a small time guy himself! Anyway, it just thrills me to death seeing my favorite drummer playing with my favorite band! No offense to Ringo of course!
so now you are deleting my posts sondra????i don't think anybody that biased should have that type of authority....and if you don't stop deleting my post...i will ask that you be removed as a moderator....i simply provided you with information...that was what you requested wasn't it???
Marshal please do not put such discussions in not appropriate threads and do not accuse people having no evidences. Such rules are for all members here. I didn't find in logs a record about deleting posts in this thread. I don't know why, maybe logs are incorrect. But can't do anything else. Sorry.
As an admittedly Moon obsessed person, I can say without hesitation that I'm 100% sure it's Moon. When they go to close up, his arms are in clear view and you see him do the drumstick twirl. You can even see the ring he wears. Plus before the close up, you can get a pretty good look at him. He's a pretty easily identifiable guy! As is the way he moves his arms when he drums. Also, at the very end when it goes back to Ringo, Moon's face is right in the forefront. He gets a close up. It's on the promo DVD I have. If you watch it on a television, he's easier to see. It kind of looks like he's sitting to the side of Ringo's kit playing on his kit, but I'll watch again. I just think that with all the Beatle facts flying about, this one would have come up at some time! I mean, there's a lot of Beatles minutia that gets covered to death, so you know. And he's not exactly a small time guy himself! Anyway, it just thrills me to death seeing my favorite drummer playing with my favorite band! No offense to Ringo of course!
So, Sondra, OT perhaps but ... I love Keith's drumming, it is so manic, IMO completely makes up for the lack of a 2nd guitar (though Pete did his bit to do that as well!).
I've heard that he wasn't the most on time drummer to begin with, and after the alcohol and drugs started messing too much with his brain, he couldn't drum much at all ... got kicked out of The Who even ... can that be true?
Thanks!
I love John, I love Paul, And George and Ringo, I love them all!
So, Sondra, OT perhaps but ... I love Keith's drumming, it is so manic, IMO completely makes up for the lack of a 2nd guitar (though Pete did his bit to do that as well!).
I've heard that he wasn't the most on time drummer to begin with, and after the alcohol and drugs started messing too much with his brain, he couldn't drum much at all ... got kicked out of The Who even ... can that be true?
Thanks!
He was with The Who up until the end. There's an interview of him and Pete on Good Morning America about a month before his death. They were promoting TKAA which ending up coming out after Keith died. Roger, however, DID get kicked out of the band at one point. Briefly. He and Moon had a huge fight. Roger threw Keith's drugs into the toilet, Keith tried to attack Roger, Roger, being as buff as he always was, kicked Moon's butt and the others kicked him out of the band. Then everyone cooled down I guess and all was well. Except that Keith pretty much always hated Roger. Ironic now that Roger wants to make this movie about Keith showing what a great guy he was. You should read Keith Moon's bio. It's fantastic.
Roger starts messing with Keith's drums during Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere. I love how Keith reacts.
I had never seen this version of the video. The ending is completely different. Can somebody PLEASE tell me if that's Keith Moon at the very end of the video and more importantly, is he playing the drums along with Ringo???!! Or am I losing my mind. And if he is, I may lose my mind because that would just be too cool. And also, how on earth hasn't this ever been discussed. It he in fact is playing along with Ringo. Which it apparently looks like he IS doing. It's right after the: She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah, part.
it is keith moon but i dont think he is behind a drum kit and he doesnt look like he is holding any sticks i think he is just air drumming along to it.
He's got brushes. Watch full screen. You can see him twirl at one point. During Ringo's close up. Keith's hands are in the screen and his stick is in full view in the first pic. In the second pic, it looks like it could be Ringo's stick, but if you watch the video, what's in his hand is twirling, and it sure ain't Ringo doing the twirling! Hard to see the brushes in the blurry video, but clearer if you watch the Anthology DVD.
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Maybe try listening to the 1999 remix on the Yellow Submarine Songtrack: it may preserve some instrumental details that got lost in the original 1967 mix.
I remember reading about Jeff Beck's strange weekend with Moon in the bio. His affinity for the "tan girl" sticking out to me the most. I don't recall him saying Moon was kicked out of the Who. I think this was during one of their many down times and Keith couldn't stand the time off. So Beck was basically trying to steal him away from the Who. But, I just skimmed the article, so if I missed that part, I'll try to read it in more detail later. Great article and I haven't read the book in a while.
Like this part: Those 2 days you were in the studio, was it work? "No, there was not an ounce of work in it. It was like “I’m going to amaze these bastards up in that control room NOW. Not tomorrow, not in an hour, but NOW. One-two-three-four..." there’s not an inch of wasted tape. We didn't deliberate, we just played it through. There were no tapes, though jimmy and I had worked out some stuff at his house before. I remember Townshend looking daggers at me when he heard it, because it was a bit near the dark. If you turn that up loud it really is quite impressive. He didn’t want any one meddling with that territory at all. I secretly wanted to take that element away from the Who, and I wouldn’t have minded if there had been other drummers aspiring to that style but there wasn’t, there was no one could hold a candle or even imitate him.Until Cozy Powell came al
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When they go to close up, his arms are in clear view and you see him do the drumstick twirl. You can even see the ring he wears. Plus before the close up, you can get a pretty good look at him. He's a pretty easily identifiable guy! As is the way he moves his arms when he drums. Also, at the very end when it goes back to Ringo, Moon's face is right in the forefront. He gets a close up. It's on the promo DVD I have. If you watch it on a television, he's easier to see. It kind of looks like he's sitting to the side of Ringo's kit playing on his kit, but I'll watch again. I just think that with all the Beatle facts flying about, this one would have come up at some time! I mean, there's a lot of Beatles minutia that gets covered to death, so you know. And he's not exactly a small time guy himself! Anyway, it just thrills me to death seeing my favorite drummer playing with my favorite band! No offense to Ringo of course! 
