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maccafan
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Guys I'm new to this forum and I've been in heaven posting all over the place.  

With McCartney's upcoming tour I think it's way past time that he changed his setlist, after all he's given the last TWO DECADES to the Beatles heavy one he's been doing and it's time for him to concentrate on the rest of his career.  He has so many Wings/solo songs that are just screaming to be performed live, especially many of those fantastic Wings hard rockers!

I'm not asking for some deep buried album track, I'm talking about McCartney picking and performing the best of his Wings and solo material.  He has #1 hits that have never been performed live?

Understand I'm not saying he shouldn't perform any Beatles but I think it should be a lot less.  The perfect setlist to me would be representative of his entire career.  Here's what I think would work for everyone.

McCartney averages about 36 songs per show, so he could do...

12 Beatles
12 Wings
12 Solo

McCartney can mix them up anyway he wants so the crowd is hit with surprise after surprise!  I honestly think no one would be disappointed with such a show, it would satisfy the veteran as well as the newcomer.  It would also quiet down those who are starting to say that his setlist is too predictable, that complaint is showing up in more and more places.

What do you guys think?
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Well, I've always wanted to listen to "No More Lonely Nights" live...

Ha, you're right.


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I think he should do what Dylan does, which is mix up the set list every night. That way it'd be fresh and full of surprises. Sadly, I don't think Paul would do that  


"Wings IV introduced Jimmy McCulloch, a spunky lead guitarist with grit, able to spur Paul on unlike any previous soloist. His debut track, the magnificent single `Junior's Farm', stands as one of Wings' finest emotional and technical releases."

"Few people on this planet know as much about Jimmy's musical history than you."

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I think he should do what Dylan does, which is mix up the set list every night. That way it'd be fresh and full of surprises. Sadly, I don't think Paul would do that  


The problem with doing that in a large venue is that lighting systems are pre-programmed, so if you change the set you'd have to re-programme everything. It's why when you see someone at a stadium there's not ad-libbing or improvisation. And if you think there is, it's been planned!

Smaller venues don't really have a need for pre-programmed light shows so set lists can be changed at will.


I just want you to reassure him - talk to him, make him see the error of his ways. Then I'll hit him.
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^ Good point. I wasn't thinking about the lighting systems.


"Wings IV introduced Jimmy McCulloch, a spunky lead guitarist with grit, able to spur Paul on unlike any previous soloist. His debut track, the magnificent single `Junior's Farm', stands as one of Wings' finest emotional and technical releases."

"Few people on this planet know as much about Jimmy's musical history than you."

"I'm Joe English and I'm from Glasgow, Scotland." xD


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Queen+Paul Rodgers are changing the setlist, not radically but still, during their tour that is now on and they are singing at stadiums.
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What upcoming tour?! WHERE WAS I!!!!

INFO PLEASE!


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^ Patience. It'll be announced soon  


"Wings IV introduced Jimmy McCulloch, a spunky lead guitarist with grit, able to spur Paul on unlike any previous soloist. His debut track, the magnificent single `Junior's Farm', stands as one of Wings' finest emotional and technical releases."

"Few people on this planet know as much about Jimmy's musical history than you."

"I'm Joe English and I'm from Glasgow, Scotland." xD


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Patience? What is this patience you speak of?



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Patience? What is this patience you speak of?


Despite a complete lack of evidence, some people still seem to think there's going to be some massive world tour announced. My bet is still that he'll continue doing odd one-off concerts.


I just want you to reassure him - talk to him, make him see the error of his ways. Then I'll hit him.
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McCartney averages about 36 songs per show, so he could do...

12 Beatles
12 Wings
12 Solo



He wouldn't actually have to change the set that much to achieve this.


I just want you to reassure him - talk to him, make him see the error of his ways. Then I'll hit him.
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Here's a setlist I think would please the veteran as well as the newcomer. This is the type of setlist that would represent every phase of McCartney's career.

Equal Beatles, Wings, and Solo.

I've Had Enough
Getting Closer
All My Loving
Take It Away
The World Tonight
One Of These Days
Somebody Who Cares
That Was Me
1985
Only Love Remains
Long And Winding Road
Got To Get You Into My Life
Silly Love Songs
Young Boy
Maybe I'm Amazed
My Love
The Mess
Get Back
What It Is
House Of Wax
Listen To What The Man Said
Big Barn Bed
Can't Buy Me Love
Sgt. Pepper
Yesterday
Let It Be
Only Mama Knows
Helter Skelter
Rockestra Theme
No More Lonely Nights
Hey Jude
I Saw Her Standing There
Birthday

Encore
Juniors Farm
Hi Hi Hi
Girlschool

A very exciting hard rocking setlist filled with some of the very best from every phase of McCartney's awesome career!
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Maccafan, have you looked up his set lists over the years? It's not far off your original suggestion.

Also, bear in mind that no musician is likely to play much stuff from albums that weren't that popular. 90% of people going to his gigs know The Beatles and early Wings. That's it. That's who he has to please.


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The setlist I posted represents my original suggestion, and I agree with you Beatles wise, but when it comes to the rest of his career he hasn't even come close!

People know the singles, people know the videos, people know the DVDs, after all it's people who are into McCartney that buy all this material, and it's those same people that come to his shows!

Also all those Wings fans are still around, they haven't gone anywhere, what about all those who love the rest of his career!

Once again, McCartney has pleased the Beatle freaks with a Beatle heavy setlist for TWO DECADES, I repeat TWO DECADES!  Is this man supposed to just play the same basic songs every tour for the rest of his life?

Also the songs on my setlist come from some of McCartneys best albums, chart toppers and grammy nominated!
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He's not going to change it much i don't think , if i had his ear i would suggest these Four :

Uncle Albert /Admiral Halsey
Tug Of War
Come And Get It
Hi Hi Hi


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after all it's people who are into McCartney that buy all this material, and it's those same people that come to his shows!


No it's not! Most of the people you see at a McCartney show don't know all his material. They're Beatles and Wings fans. They know the singles, and that's what they want to hear. So that's what he gives them. I'm not saying that that's what I would want, but it's a fact.


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Daveram, believe me I understand that McCartney may never really change his setlist, my point is he could and he should!

The people asking for a setlist change is growing more and more, and you are going to hear it even more if he drags out the same basic setlist for his upcoming tour.  Here's one of the best views I've read by someone asking why McCartney doesn't change his setlist.

mikeskapla

Do people really think they will chase Paul off stage if he replaced obscure barely known Beatle songs like "I'll Get You" for bonafide blockbuster #1 hits like With a Little Luck, Listen to what the Man Said, etc.

Did I miss something and Paul's solo career was a complete bomb as opposed to him being one of the biggest hitmakers on the planet?

I'll take another crack at this point, everytime I do I get hit so I'll say this in advance:

It's kind of weird I think all those that get offended when people make suggestions or disagree some with Paul's approach to concerts. If people think Paul is doing his tours perfectly, good for them, their opinion is just as valid but not more so than people who would like changes.

And no I don't think its some sort of disloyalty to Paul if you disagree with his set list or that you are a truer fan if you eat up everything he does without question. I seriously doubt if I ran into Paul on the street, and I told him I'd love to hear more Wings stuff in concert -- he's think those damn Wing fan idiots, they aren't my true fans, its those that want to hear Let It Be and Hey Jude -- they are what I call my true blue fans.

Having said all that. I'll run with Paul's articulated thoughts on what he wants to do in a show. He wants to give people the hits. He likes to say when people come to his shows they expect to hear the big songs. He also wants to give a broad perspective of his career and give a few oddies to those hardcore fans like us.

Now I really doubt when people come to a Paul McCartney show they are expecting I"ll Get You, In Spite of All the Danger, Till There Was You, C-Moon, Let Me Roll It.

In terms of hits:
With A Little Luck #1 hit never been done in a major tour
Ditto Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey#1 hit, never done
Listen to What the Man Said -- #1 hit not done since 76
Silly Love Songs -- #1 hit not done since 76

Top 10 hits never done in a major tour: Helen Wheels, No More Lonley Nights, Juniors Farm, Take It Away, Goodnight Tonight

I really can't see people coming to his shows and saying look its a Paul McCartney show I want to hear In Spite of All the Danger and I know that song not that obscure Listen To What the Man Says song.

Or they say thankfully, he does Let Me Roll It on practically every tour becuase fans will be missing out -- who wants to hear any other track off of Band on the Run like 1985 or a hit like Helen Wheels, yuk! It's Let Me Roll It or nothing.

And yeah C-Moon is the quientesential track from his Wings period, everyone knows that one, not Silly Love Songs, or Listen to what the Man Says.

It's that sort of stuff that's puzziling to me. And yeah I know to some its sacriledge to question Paul's set list. For some weird reason we get hit basically for the idea that since we appreciate more of his catalogue then he puts out in concert, it means that we aren't as big a fan. Becauase his big fans should just suck it up and appreciate everything he throws at us.

Look I can just as easy if not easier make the case that we are the bigger fans because we appreciate Paul's whole solo career, not just Paul the Beatle. And yeah I appreciate seeing him in concert. I love Paul's shows and I just think they can be even more special where he can cater to his hard core fans without losing his more causal ones.

I am not talking about him doing Letting Go instead of Let It Be. But why not With A Little Luck (and BIG Wings hits) over obscure Beatle songs like I'll Get You?

Look i am not even asking him to do what MOST major concert acts do like the Stones, Springsteen, and U2 and change things up in the middle of the tour and keep things spicy.

Just do some big Wings hits, mix it up. Band on the Run is a classic album. And there are other tracks on that album for example that stand out, it wasn't just Let Me Roll It.

Ditto for example with Flaming Pie, great album Looks like Calico Skies is going to be coming for a round 2 and maybe the title track Flaming Pie as well. OK, decent songs. But those weren't the singles -- the singles were: World Tonight, Young Boy, Beautiful Night.

If you do Flaming Pie one tour, why not Somedays or Young Boy, etc the next one. If you are going to give the obscure fans a nugget like Let Me Roll It or C-Moon or a track from Flaming Pie. Why repeat the same nugget in the next tour or so, why not give a new one? It seems like he does just that with his Beatle songs but not with his Wings/solo stuff.

That to me is the odd thing about Paul's tours compared to what most artists do. And yeah look i am going to go anyway, great shows, I just think they can be made more special if Paul embraced variety.

Part of (in my opinion) what makes Paul's albums so special is he's eclectic and brings variety -- so it suprises me that on tour he's one of the more predictable artists. Great shows but predictable. And there is a context to my point, I have seen a ton of concerts so am making apples to apples comparisons to other big artists. And the larger point is it would be very easy for him to break the many years of predictability.

I've read many of these type views in different places, and they're showing up more and more, McCartney could and should change his setlist!

Bluemeanie I disagree, maybe some don't know, but most of the people at a McCartney show know his music, especially the #1 smash hits!  People know...
Silly Love Songs #1,
people know Listen To What The Man Said #1,
people know Juniors Farm #3
Uncle Albert #1
Hi Hi Hi - top ten
No More Lonely Nights - top ten
Rockestra Theme - released on album and DVD

I could go on, but people know this material that's how it reached the positions it reached, because people all over the world liked it, they bought the albums!

As I said, all those fans are still around, they haven't gone anywhere.
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He performed Juniors Farm with Wings during the 1975 tour.


"Wings IV introduced Jimmy McCulloch, a spunky lead guitarist with grit, able to spur Paul on unlike any previous soloist. His debut track, the magnificent single `Junior's Farm', stands as one of Wings' finest emotional and technical releases."

"Few people on this planet know as much about Jimmy's musical history than you."

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Why debate this now? Believe me, theres nobody that wishes he would do more obscure stuff than me, but its not going to happen. He's in his middle 60's now and he isnt going to be touring much more (if any) and he's not going to change it. I read Maccafans setlist idea and I got about as far as the first ten and immediately said to myself that it wasnt going to fly. 80% or more of the people thats going to his shows want to hear his solo hits and Beatle tunes. It sucks, but thats how it is.

And in saying that, I wont go to anymore of his shows because i've seen it all before. If he did play Maccafans setlist, i'd be there with bells on.


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Tkitna, McCartney may not do the big world tours, but he has said that he will never stop performing live.  So as long as he performs live there's hope!

I agree with you about attending McCartney's shows, I skipped the last tour because it was just more of the very same, like you I've seen the Beatle heavy setlist, in fact I've seen it four times hoping the setlist would change.

If you and I feel this way, imagine how many other people out there feel the exact same.

You said people want to hear his solo hits, well that's the problem, he doesn't perform the vast majority of his Wings and solo hits, and that's why I included most of the well known songs in my setlist.  I included many of the singles that he has released over the years like Getting Closer, I've Had Enough, and Take It Away.  Because they were singles these songs are known.

They are also some of the best of McCartney's career, people would be thrilled to hear them live.

Also I didn't just start saying this, I've been saying McCartney needs to change his setlist for years!
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I would basically do anything to have seen Wings in '75-'76. But I was born in 1987  


"Wings IV introduced Jimmy McCulloch, a spunky lead guitarist with grit, able to spur Paul on unlike any previous soloist. His debut track, the magnificent single `Junior's Farm', stands as one of Wings' finest emotional and technical releases."

"Few people on this planet know as much about Jimmy's musical history than you."

"I'm Joe English and I'm from Glasgow, Scotland." xD


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The last 3 concerts i've seen him play all included the usual, you know Let it be, Hey Jude, My love etc. It was a novelty at first... I mean opening with Hello Goodbye was awesome, I love 1967 for the Beatles and I was so glad he gave Ram's 'Too many people' another go but i'd dearly love to him try the likes of Juniors farm again and maybe some off Red Rose Speedway like 'When the night' - I mean he did Every night off McCartney during his UK tour of 1979 and just recently too so they're all there in his head. On that 79 tour, he did a few off Back to the egg (much under-rated IMO) Old Siam sir rocked and Getting Closer is as good as any. Come on Macca freshen it up a bit, yes the younger members of the audience might not have heard some of the more obscure stuff but on the other side of the coin, if they like it, they might well go and out and buy it.
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JimmymcCollochfan, I saw Wings in 76 at the Seattle Kingdome the night Wings Over America was recorded.  Let me tell you, it was a phenomenal night, Wings absolutely rocked the house!

To this very day it's still the best concert I've ever seen in my entire life!
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JimmymcCollochfan, I saw Wings in 76 at the Seattle Kingdome the night Wings Over America was recorded.


I thought it was recorded in several different venues?


I just want you to reassure him - talk to him, make him see the error of his ways. Then I'll hit him.
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I'd like to know from what venue the WOA version of Medicine Jar came from. It's an alright version but there are a lot better versions like the Rockshow and Wings over Seattle versions.


"Wings IV introduced Jimmy McCulloch, a spunky lead guitarist with grit, able to spur Paul on unlike any previous soloist. His debut track, the magnificent single `Junior's Farm', stands as one of Wings' finest emotional and technical releases."

"Few people on this planet know as much about Jimmy's musical history than you."

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You gotta give the people what they want.  And I mean the majority of the people. And as others have said, majority of people want the Beatle hits and only the major hits he had with Wings and solo.

A few months ago Bruce Springsteen did a tour, and he always sings his hits at his concerts. Well this last time he did not, he played everything EXCEPT his hits, and let me tell you, everyone I know who went, were highly dissappointed with the show.  

So this is probably why Paul does the same songs, majority of the people to his show to hear these songs, and he wants to keep the money coming in and most of all keep the people and fans happy.



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Heatherboo, I'll say again that's the major problem, McCartney isn't performing the majority of the big Wings and solo hits, I truly wish he was!

He's not performing...

Silly Love Songs
Listen To What The Man Said
Juniors Farm
Hi Hi Hi
No More Lonely Nights
Take It Away
Uncle Albert
Helen Wheels
Getting Closer
I've Had Enough
The World Tonight
Young Boy
Girlschool

These are just some of the singles and hits that McCartney has released over the years, why isn't he performing them, and don't say that the people don't want to hear them because it's the people who are asking why doesn't he perform these songs?

How many artist do you know that don't perform their own single?  McCartney has #1 smash hit singles that have never ever been performed live, I repeat #1 worldwide smash hits that have never ever been performed?

Why were they #1 in the first place, because people all over the world like them, so I don't buy that he's giving the people what they want, McCartney is giving the people what he thinks they expect!

People would instantly know all those smash hits if McCartney would just perform them, how many people would say, wow I remember that song, or can you believe he's playing this one, I love that song!  He would send thrills thru out his crowds if he would just perform this fantastic material!


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Heatherboo, I'll say again that's the major problem, McCartney isn't performing the majority of the big Wings and solo hits, I truly wish he was!

He's not performing...

Silly Love Songs
Listen To What The Man Said
Juniors Farm
Hi Hi Hi
No More Lonely Nights
Take It Away
Uncle Albert
Helen Wheels
Getting Closer
I've Had Enough
The World Tonight
Young Boy
Girlschool

These are just some of the singles and hits that McCartney has released over the years, why isn't he performing them, and don't say that the people don't want to hear them because it's the people who are asking why doesn't he perform these songs?



Who's asking? A few fanatics on forums.

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How many artist do you know that don't perform their own single?  McCartney has #1 smash hit singles that have never ever been performed live, I repeat #1 worldwide smash hits that have never ever been performed?

Why were they #1 in the first place, because people all over the world like them, so I don't buy that he's giving the people what they want, McCartney is giving the people what he thinks they expect!

People would instantly know all those smash hits if McCartney would just perform them, how many people would say, wow I remember that song, or can you believe he's playing this one, I love that song!  He would send thrills thru out his crowds if he would just perform this fantastic material!




Which No.1 smash hits has he never performed live? Maybe Girls School, but that was only the A-Side in the states. And I really can't see him playing Uncle Albert with the current band. At least 5 of the songs in your list were not massive hits at all. In fact, I'm really struggling to remember some of them.


I just want you to reassure him - talk to him, make him see the error of his ways. Then I'll hit him.
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At this stage, I don't care what he plays, I just want to go and see him play live! Please! Soon! (well, when I say I don't care, I mean, well, I do want him to play things that send those chills down the spine, but I think I'd also like to be surprised. But mostly I just want to see him play live. Did I mention that already?
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JimmymcCollochfan, I saw Wings in 76 at the Seattle Kingdome the night Wings Over America was recorded.  Let me tell you, it was a phenomenal night, Wings absolutely rocked the house!

To this very day it's still the best concert I've ever seen in my entire life!


Wow! You're so lucky! Everyone who went to a Wings show in 1976 says that that was the best concert that they've ever been too. I know Jerry Seinfeld went to a Wings show in 76 and he also said that that is the best concert he has ever been too. The 76 line-up of Wings were on fire that year. All the members of the band had the charisma to really take Wings to the heavens. I'm jealous of you lol.

But Bluemeanie is right, WOA was recorded from several different venues. I would have thought Paul had a better ear for his own songs because I think he picked some of the worst versions of the 76 setlist and put them on WOA.  The definite best versions of those songs come from the Los Angeles show and the Seattle show which the majority of Rockshow(The Film) came from those two shows.






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Mull of Kintyre and Pipes of Peace were no.1's in UK. He did Mull of Kintyre at the Royal Court in liverpool in 79, an intimate theatre and it sure was a crowd pleaser with Scotchie/bagpipes and all - a real singalong song. He also did Goodnight tonight at that show which was only recent as well as his then forthcoming single 'Wonderful Christmastime' - well, it was that time of year after all but i'm not advocating a repeat of that one
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Wordno, I have to disagree with you about WOA, many and I do mean many say that it's one of the all time best live rock albums!  I think the versions of the songs are absolutely some of the very best!

Bluemeanie, I can't  speak for your memory but the songs I listed were #1hits, or top ten hits, or came from chart topping grammy nominated albums, and McCartney isn't performing any of them!

It could be said that the people who just want McCartney to keep cranking out the same old songs are the fanatics!  It's not just people on forums asking for McCartney to change his setlist, it's journalist, reviewers, interviewers, columnist, and of course fans.  I've read comments from all these people, here's a couple from two journalist, and think about it, if they're published journalist, how many readers may they have?

The suggested Paul McCartney setlist

By Tim Cain

I haven't seen Paul McCartney in concert, however much I'd like to.

When he was playing stadiums, I stayed away because the venues were too large. In the early 1990s, when he was playing arenas, I stayed away because I didn't want to see an oldies show, and if he was going to focus on his current material, I wasn't very interested anyway.

I was disappointed in McCartney's set at the Super Bowl this year. He trotted out some Beatles tunes, and the most recently released song he played was 1973's Live and Let Die.

(That beat his Live 8 set, which featured five Beatles songs, six if you count the one he did with U2.)

As expected, that Super Bowl show primed the pump for another McCartney tour. Tickets at United Center in Chicago ranged from $50 to hang on the rafters to $250 to see the whites of his eyes. (The two shows are sold out, but ticket brokers naturally are willing to take plenty of your hard-earned cash.)

Look, I present this knowing full well that Sir Paul McCartney couldn't care less about my presence at one of his shows. And he's one of the greatest showmen/businessmen in pop music history, so if he wants to trot out a 30-song setlist and have 75 percent of it be Beatles songs, he knows what his audience wants best. And if you want to drop that kind of cash to hear him run through those songs yet again, that's your business, and you'll get what you want, and everybody will go home happy.

And keep in mind you're not going to find many people who love The Beatles more than I do.

When The Who did the first of their couple hundred farewell tours, they played five songs off Quadrophenia, an album near and dear to my heart from its release. The guy sitting next to me kept asking me where these songs came from. By the fourth time I said Quadrophenia, he said, I gotta go buy that tomorrow. It would be nice for McCartney to provide similar prodding to his fans.

McCartney practically denied the existence of The Beatles in the early days of Wings. One of the causes for excitement during the 1976 release of Wings Over America was the appearance of four Beatles songs.

But now he's gone the other way and seems to be ignoring the last 35 years. It has its share of mediocre work, sure, but there's some fantastic material that seems to be sliding away. And in many ways, that's no one's fault but McCartney's.

So here's a proposed set list, even programmed with specific purposes in mind. This show would run a little over two hours, so if McCartney wanted to throw in a couple more Beatles songs, or some surprises (like playing Something on ukulele in tribute to George Harrison), there's room.

Band on the Run
Big Barn Bed
A Love For You
I Saw Her Standing There
Hi Hi Hi
Junior's Farm

As unhip as it is to say, Band on the Run is a fantastic album, easily McCartney's best solo work. Starting out with those complex rhythm changes would serve as a statement of purpose: This isn't your everyday McCartney show.

The next two are a little obscure.  Big Barn Bed is the first song on Red Rose Speedway (the album with My Love). Wings opened their shows with it for a little while. It's always been a favorite.  A Love For You was not officially released until the soundtrack of the remake of The In-Laws (of all places). Both have that unmistakable early 1970s McCartney feel. Classics.

The last three bring in those who might feel a little lost at sea because of the previous two songs. Hit singles, recognizable tunes, but two are still solo (or Wings) pieces.

Twenty Flight Rock
Little Woman Love
Momma's Little Girl
Brown-Eyed Handsome Man
Name and Address
I'm Carrying
Yesterday

Call this the unplugged portion of the show, although it's probably more stripped down than unplugged.  Twenty Flight Rock is one of Eddie Cochran's great songs, and a favorite of McCartney's.  Little Woman Love was the B-side to Wings 1972 Mary Had a Little Lamb single, and the shuffling rocker should have been a hit in its own right.

Momma's Little Girl was recorded in the early 1970s and eventually came out 15 years later. It would send people scurrying for the expanded Wild Life CD, or the 2-CD limited edition Flowers in the Dirt.

Then a chance to show off influences. McCartney recorded a nice Cajun version of Brown-Eyed Handsome Man for Run Devil Run, and Name and Address (from 1978's London Town) is one of his best Elvis tributes ever.

I'm Carrying is a sweet acoustic guitar-based song that would lead nicely into one of the greatest songs ever written. (Hey, I'll give him this one and Hey Jude. If you're going to drop money to see the guy who wrote two of the greatest songs in the history of the English language, he'd better sing em.)

Venus and Mars/Rock Show
Spin It On
Jet
Live and Let Die
Letting Go

I hope you caught your breath during that last set, Paul, because this section will wring it out of you. These are, quite simply, some of the best concert songs he's written. (The only reason I didn't have Venus and Mars/Rock Show lead off is to avoid a little bit of a cliche.) Spin It On, from 1979's Back to the Egg, is the obscurity, but find it, play it, and follow it immediately with Jet, and then write and tell me how cool it is.)

Maybe I'm Amazed
Yvonne's the One
Dear Boy
So Bad
Arrow Through Me
My Brave Face
Off the Ground
Nineteen Hundred And Eighty Five

A nod toward some of the later-period hits (My Brave Face and So Bad were top five on the AOR charts, Off the Ground hit the top 30). Arrow Through Me should have been a single. Dear Boy is an album cut from Ram, an attack on Beatles partner John Lennon that still offers some entertaining backing vocals. And I've always said Yvonne's the One is one of the best songs McCartney gave away (to 10cc).

Nineteen Hundred And Eighty Five provides some nice pre-encore theatricality, especially if the band is able to produce the cacophony of sound at the end. And if the Band on the Run out-chorus is pre-recorded, the group can take its bows and run off while the music is playing. Band on the run - get it? Get it?

Beautiful Night
Let It Be
Hey Jude

I might be alone in this, but I think Beautiful Night (from 1997's Flaming Pie) is one of the greatest songs McCartney's ever written. Its memorable chorus provides a setup for the last two songs, which feature even more memorable choruses.

This is the type setlist McCartney could easily do, and the crowds would absolutely love it!

Vadim Rizov, lifestyle editor for Washington Square News.

Paul McCartney played a thunderously dull set including some of the most famous songs in the world, nimbly avoiding the danger of any emotional effect.

The only thing surprising about McCartney's set, perhaps, was that he didn't play "Maybe I'm Amazed." Other than that, he remains the man with the world's most predictable setlist: a few Beatles songs just to remind everyone why he became legitimately famous in the first place, a solo number to reinforce his self-worth and the 357,000th rendition of "Hey Jude," which - if you did the math - he's probably played once for every day of his life. With a grimly efficient backing band behind him and a stadium packed full of the easily manipulated, things went off without a hitch. No one missed their cues, all the pre-coordinated fans waved their glowsticks in the air at the right moment and no one got injured by the fireworks.

The set was by-and-large a note-for-note reproduction of classic recorded tunes. Make no mistake: "Hey Jude," on a bad day, is one of the most comforting songs around. But somewhere along the way, a song intended to cheer up a kid worried about his parents' divorce became the song to end all inspirational songs. A song that speaks to everyone tends to end up being a song that speaks to no one.

Does it even matter? Is "Hey Jude" just a good song that we all know the words to, or does it mean anything more?

It's weird to look for meaning in a Super Bowl halftime show, at which the best-case scenario is that disaster is avoided and no one is unduly offended. But watching Paul McCartney perform songs with professional detachment - songs it's hard to imagine him caring about any longer - is to watch someone formerly exciting going through the motions, frozen in a pose they struck 35 years ago.

When McCartney storms through the fossilized canon, does he feel anything?

What about the stadium of glowstick-waving fans and fireworks? Did they respond to the songs themselves? Or did they respond to the spectacle, the environment, the chance to see one of the world's two living Beatles stop being a waxwork for a fleeting moment?

To be simultaneously united by a song everyone knows but is pretty much immune to is to be alone, together, united by familiarity but excited by nothing - which is kind of interesting, but ultimately boring.

This is from a reviewer named George Starostin

You could always argue that theoretically, a Paul McCartney show can't be all that great. Come on, even the Beatles themselves weren't the best live band in the world, and this is one fourth part of the Beatles. Come on, he just plays the songs the way they are. Come on, his backing bands are always interchangeable. Come on, the setlist is so painfully predictable it's almost laughable (although he did do 'She's Leaving Home', which even I couldn't have expected!). This is all true.

It's not just people on forums asking for McCartney to change his setlist.

With the tech today any song can be performed live, so his current band could easily do Uncle Albert.  Another #1 smash hit that has never ever been done is With A Little Luck, he could easily do it.  How many songs has he done on just one tour and never done again, there are plenty.

McCartney has tons of material he could and should be performing live!
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