Ringo- amazing drummer? - Print Topic

I telll you something, he was an awesome drummer. He allowed the space for the others to enrich. I've played a few Beatle songs in my time and any drummer that really, really tried to get his style has had a tough time.
He has great elements of jazz and the time changing that he had to do with Beatles stuff is far removed from the boring 4 on the floor formatt that so many 'amazing' drummers champion themselves and show off with.

He had great expression without having to do the 'Thunder rolls". Not detracting from the other amazing drummers like Moony, Mitchell and Bonham.

The Beatles as a whole band had the art of writing and recording perfectly imperfect!
I think that will make sense to any beatle lover who really does sleep with headphones on and panning to one side! lol!

As a drummer (thanks to Ringo's inspiration) I can unequivocally declare: yes...he is indeed an amazing drummer, for many reasons.

His childhood full of debilitating illness...playing drums, while therapy, is still a rather strenuous activity.

He was the best drummer in Liverpool at the time according to many sources, including the Beatles.

He brought personality & a common man quality to the group at the start which helped propel them to fame.

He was able to play Latin (I Feel Fine) pop, rock, and various time signatures one after another (All You Need Is Love, Happiness Is A Warm Gun, etc.) which is difficult to do and do well.

He virtually invented (or perhaps more to the point brought to the fore) the open hi-hat technique that gave a solid wash of cymbals to the backing of a song. Rocking!

He had a strong back beat (bass drum) that brought that aspect to the fore as well.

He inspired countless, countless people to take up drums, many of whom went on to fame themselves.

Songs of note: Rain (his favorite), A Day In The Life (the fills he did were absolutely perfect, and no one would have ever played them as musically as that), The End (Abbey Road), She Said She Said, and many more. His inventive yet supportive style and laid back personality was perfect for the Beatles. No other drummer could have added so much.

Technical ability is nothing without feeling, without empathy and understanding. And maybe some love. And he brought all that and more to the group.

He was *never* a lesser member than anyone else. It was a four poster bed and he held up his end as much as anyone else.

It was a four poster bed, but Martin and Epstein were holding up the bottom. :)

Quoted from Rowdy, posted July 10, 2004, 5:53pm at here

It was a four poster bed, but Martin and Epstein were holding up the bottom. :)

No, Martin was the blanket and Brian the pillow.

Phil Spector was the cat that clawed away at a good bed and made it indistinguishable.

Quoted from Rowdy, posted July 10, 2004, 8:08pm at here

Phil Spector was the cat that clawed away at a good bed and made it indistinguishable.

\\Nah, but he did pee on the spread, thereby covering part of it over with his own 'contribution'.

;D

We could do this all day!

Quoted from Hannah, posted July 10, 2004, 7:45am at here

he's okay, but I like keith moon better. *blush*

Me too! He's more interesting to watch. But Ringo was perfect for the Beatles. He brought a sensitivity to the band. Or something like that. Funny how his son sort of replaced Moonie. Now I hear he's joining Oasis? Or is that a rumor.

I don't know if I would call him amazing. Amazing and Ringo? It doesn't really fit. I mean he's good and all but amazing? Would anyone consider him an innovater or creative in his drumming? Seriously because I don't know the technicalities of drumming so maybe he was. Who knows.

Now as for Keith Moon.... Glad to see there are others that appreciate him!

Quoted from Maccalvr, posted July 11, 2004, 5:26am at here

I don't know if I would call him amazing. Amazing and Ringo? It doesn't really fit. I mean he's good and all but amazing? Would anyone consider him an innovater or creative in his drumming?

****Yes! I even gave you examples. That's *exactly* what he was....a creative innovator.

Now as for Keith Moon.... Glad to see there are others that appreciate him!

***Moon was great at what he did as well. But him being good shouldn't diminish Ringo's being good. They were totally different types of drummers, which is obvious since Keith was different from all the others, except maybe Mitch Mitchell.

Oh, I don't think Keith being good takes away from Ringo being good. It's just more obvious with Keith as he was more out there. Well I mean for non-drummers that is. I was seriously asking about Ringo being an innovator! No sarcasm was intended! But I should have read your previous post more carefully!!! Sorry! The whole cymbal thing Ringo did is certainly important. Moon lived on the cymbals! Yay Ringo! :D

Quoted from Maccalvr, posted July 11, 2004, 6:08am at here

Oh, I don't think Keith being good takes away from Ringo being good. It's just more obvious with Keith as he was more out there. Well I mean for non-drummers that is. I was seriously asking about Ringo being an innovator! No sarcasm was intended! But I should have read your previous post more carefully!!! Sorry! The whole cymbal thing Ringo did is certainly important. Moon lived on the cymbals!� Yay Ringo! :D

Sorry... I didn't mean to put you in a spot of feeling like apologizing...

I was taught how to drum by Ringo but I ended up being more of a Keith drummer, back when there weren't many (there's more now obviously). I was hot in the 60's. Now it's kind of passe'.

Keith was important to the Who because he needed to fill the space and gaps, given that there were only 3 instruments.

Ringo's group didn't need that kind of frantic playing.

Apples and oranges.

A Keith drummer? As in the wild style? Cool!! Is it hard to play a Who song? I mean are people able to copy Keith? I have no idea about these things. Is Ringo hard to copy? Or should I say play not copy. Keith is so dramatic when he plays. Throwing the drumsicks, twirling them, screaming while he plays, breaking things. He made people want to look at the drummer! Which I think is rare. But then like you said, Ringo made people want to BE a drummer!

Quoted from Maccalvr, posted July 11, 2004, 6:20am at here

A Keith drummer? As in the wild style? Cool!! Is it hard to play a Who song?

***YES! Damn near impossible! LOL

I mean are people able to copy Keith?

****I don't know about others but I played all over the place LIKE him but except for some riffs and a specific fill here or there I could never copy exactly what he was doing for a whole song. His licks were too unpredictable, even after hearing them a million times (for the most part).

****Plus the man had to have inexhaustible energy to play that constant style. I'm FAR too lazy! :)

I have no idea about these things. Is Ringo hard to copy? Or should I say play not copy.

***Not usually. Again, different styles, Ringo's more structured and easier to emulate.

Keith is so dramatic when he plays. Throwing the drumsicks, twirling them, screaming while he plays, breaking things. He made people want to look at the drummer! Which I think is rare. But then like you said, Ringo made people want to BE a drummer!

***Yeah, the theatrics were never part of my style, just the drumming. But they were simply both great for different reasons.

Quoted from misterchaz, posted July 10, 2004, 4:51pm at here

He was *never* a lesser member than anyone else.� It was a four poster bed and he held up his end as much as anyone else.

You even think he kept his end up as much as lennon/mCcartney?

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Is it hard to play a Who song?

***YES! Damn near impossible! LOL

So how well does Zak do?

I have heard MANY Beatle tribute bands, including The Bootleg Beatles on numerous occasions, and I have NEVER heard a drummer faithfully copy Ringo's playing. Most drummers struggle with the intro to She Loves You and the breaks in Ticket To Ride - listen closely, their timing is WAY off.

Ringo might not have been a flashy, flambouyant drummer, but he was extremely solid, and REALLY hit those drums hard. Just check out any live footage of Ringo - and I don't mean TV shows as most of these were mimed and Ringo wasn't allowed to actually hit his drums or cymbals! Watch the Washington concert or the Sweden show; especially Long Tall Sally - watch the other guy's faces as he really goes to town on his kit!

What really annoys me is that no-one ever seems to knock Charlie Watts of the Rolling Stones. Listen to their early numbers such as I'm Free; his timing was absolutely apalling!

Ringo is not the kind of person who feels he has to justify what he brought to the Beatles' sound - HE knows how good he was, and so do other drummers.

Tracks to listen to:

I'm Gonna Sit Right Down And Cry (Over You) - From the Beatles at the BBC
Wait - Rubber Soul
What You're Doing - Beatles For Sale
Helter Skelter - White Album
Sgt Pepper (reprise) - Sgt Pepper

To name just a few!!!!!

[quote by=The_End link=Blah.pl?b=starr,m=1089433720,s=19 date=1089589364]I have heard MANY Beatle tribute bands, including The Bootleg Beatles on numerous occasions, and I have NEVER heard a drummer faithfully copy Ringo's playing. Most drummers struggle with the intro to She Loves You and the breaks in Ticket To Ride - listen closely, their timing is WAY off.

BAng on about those two tracks in particular. Always the highbrow test on any Beatle cover attempt.

Quoted from An_Apple_Beatle, posted July 11, 2004, 11:55pm at here

BAng on about those two tracks in particular. Always the highbrow test on any Beatle cover attempt.

Thank you - I thought it was just ME who noticed!! LOL ;D

Quoted from number14, posted July 11, 2004, 8:34pm at here

You even think he kept his end up as much as lennon/mCcartney?

Absolutely.� You are mistaking the concept of what each person did with what they were worth to the group.�

Try having a song like A Day In The Life be as effective, moving (or even realized at all) without Ringo's drum.

Or the 2-3 second burst of George's lead in Got To Get You Into My Life.

Seemingly small bits yet their catalog is full of them and it would be that much the poorer with out them.

They would have been SOMEone, but never the BEATLES with -any- of the 4 missing.

Quoted from The_End, posted July 12, 2004, 12:21am at here

Thank you - I thought it was just ME who noticed!! LOL ;D

You're right, of course. And he DOES smash them puppies!

Another is From Me To You.

A big part of his sound was his backwards tom fills, and for a regular drummer that is very unnatural to replicate smoothly.

Otherwise his general song structure is supportive, not non-stop fill like Keith...which was just what Who needed.

And I have always maintained Watts was an over-praised drummer...maybe he was great in the early 60's doing trad jazz but he has very very few identifiable licks. He keeps a rock hard beat. Beautifully. But that's about it, not flashy at all.

Quoted from Maccalvr, posted July 11, 2004, 9:31pm at here

So how well does Zak do?

Very well!

Zak moonlights for oasis too aswell as The Who. Saw them at the Isle of Wight festival this year and Zak did not disappoint.

I think Noel Gallagher is 'made up' that the blood of Beatle is in his 'Beatles' tribute group. lol.

Apologies to hardcore Oasis fans but some of those tunes are'nt even subtley lifted from the true great well of Beatle songwriting. I would'nt have minded Oasis paying respects to their heroes in this way except for Liam Gallagher beginning to think he was big enough to slate Macca!! He earnt an enemy outta me that's for sure!

Quoted from An_Apple_Beatle, posted July 12, 2004, 10:12am at here

some of those tunes are'nt even subtley lifted from the true great well of Beatle songwriting.

And some not so subtle! ;D

It's funny because I read recently that Liam Gallagher was begging to get backstage at Glastonbury to see Paul McCartney - eventually Paul's 'people' let him through!

Quoted from The_End, posted July 12, 2004, 12:06pm at here

And some not so subtle! ;D

It's funny because I read recently that Liam Gallagher was begging to get backstage at Glastonbury to see Paul McCartney - eventually Paul's 'people' let him through!

Your right I'd heard that too. Does anyone else remember the incident at a London airport a couple of years ago where Liam apparantly threw a copy of Macca's biography? At who or what I don't know.

Amazing drummer, no doubt about it!

Amazing!

A few innovative tunes-
Ticket To Ride - Who would have thought up a beat like that for a song?
I Feel Fine - Dare you to get the trills correctly on the toms throughout the entire song.
What Goes On - I've always hated and struggled with this shuffle. Damn that swishing motion on the hats.
A Day In The Life - Fills are incredible
Paperback Writer - Anyone finish a quick roll off on the rims lately? On purpose?
Get Back - The beginning beat to this song coming off the cymbals to the toms is legendary and still wows the drumming community for its uniqueness.

Quoted from tkitna, posted July 13, 2004, 1:31am at here

Amazing!

A few innovative tunes-
Ticket To Ride - Who would have thought up a beat like that for a song?

***Paul. But Ritchie played it.

I Feel Fine - Dare you to get the trills correctly on the toms throughout the entire song.

***Excellent example. It's tough!
What Goes On - I've always hated and struggled with this shuffle. Damn that swishing motion on the hats.

***Another great example...that casual shuffle on the hi hats...doing it is one thing...keeping it up for the whole song (or breaking from it then going back) is much tougher than one might think.

A Day In The Life - Fills are incredible

***I concur.

Paperback Writer - Anyone finish a quick roll off on the rims lately? On purpose?

***LOL To this day I can't do a rimshot. Not on purpose anyway.

Get Back - The beginning beat to this song coming off the cymbals to the toms is legendary and still wows the drumming community for its uniqueness.

Hm. I'll have to listen for that one aspect again.

Maybe Ringo was a very good drummer who did amazing stuff often. Nah, that would make him amazing in itself. The guy was just that good.

I hope Ringo reads all this! It's a shame we can't post it on HIS website! :)

Hehe :)

Yeah the live footage of Ringo is amazing. I bet I've seen live footage that you guys haven't seen!

1964 Adelaide, Australia

Quoted from broady, posted July 13, 2004, 1:11pm at here

I bet I've seen live footage that you guys haven't seen!

1964 Adelaide, Australia

I might have that - I bought a copy of a Beatle's special broadcast on Australian TV years ago - it was called Rage. I remember there was a whole concert on there recorded during their first visit to Oz! I'll have to check that out later!

Quoted from The_End, posted July 13, 2004, 12:05pm at here

I hope Ringo reads all this! It's a shame we can't post it on HIS website! :)

Maybe he will who knows

Quoted from number14, posted July 27, 2004, 4:43pm at here

Maybe he will who knows

I hope so ;D

Starr lay down a solid beat (Live perfromances) which the others could feed off.
I feel Ringo always gets the tag of bad Drummer* when connected with other drummers such as Ginger Baker, keith Moon etc..(both having totaly different styles)
Ringo's drumming on the early work is clear, pounding and Raw..and in later years we see great drumming in songs such as Rain, Yer Blues and Get Back.

A sound Musician, and one who could handle the material with ease and style.

In the early years i ddint see him as a good drummer, later years it seemed he got better, maybe because of the drugs

Quoted from number14, posted August 4, 2004, 4:41pm at here

In the early years i ddint see him as a good drummer, later years it seemed he got better, maybe because of the drugs

Ringo was never a big druggie.

However he did drink prodigiously.

Well, his first Joint, he supposedly smoked the whole thing, like a cigerette...
We all know about his alcohol adventures..the 80's been the morning after.

I always see Ringo as a big drug taker...
Harrison is the one who loved drugs the most..and John.. thats the feeling I get.

Mccartney was more a Dope man.

Drumming was his madness...

Quoted from IndicaWalrus, posted August 4, 2004, 10:51pm at here

Well, his first Joint, he supposedly smoked the whole thing, like a cigerette...
We all know about his alcohol adventures..the 80's been the morning after.

I always see Ringo as a big drug taker...
Harrison is the one who loved drugs the most..and John.. thats the feeling I get.

Mccartney was more a Dope man.

Care to cite any references to back up your impressions?

As far as I know, John was the biggest druggie, and George was a close second. Paul was wary of not always being in control so he used it the least, and Ringo, as I said, was much more of a lush than a stoner.

Well, Countless books etc.

George and John were into Drugs the most.
Paul was more into the Dope Scene...(future run-ins with the police)

And we all know of Ringo's Rehab adventures.

I'd say John hit an all time low with heroin.
George found purity, although still loved the cigerettes.

Im curious to when Ringo and Paul gave up smoking?

Interesting question -- best answered in the context of the studio musicianship of the band. According to Mark Lewisohn in The Beatles Recording Sessions -- In the thousands of hours of tape that he listened to (all with Paul McCartney and George Martin's authorization), Ringo only broke down twice -- meaning his drumming on track takes rarely required re-do's. That said, there was one song that he played through that Lennon wanted a re-do on because Ringo drummed as if the Beatles were the Dave Clark Five (acccording to Lennon on tape). Point is -- the thousands of hours of Beatle studio tapes affirm that Ringo may have been more technically savvy than pundits give him credit for. Now as for John and Paul (particularly John), the breakdowns in studio recordings were far more frequent. So the rub on Ringo might really come down to songwriting and singing ability -- something he paled when compared to his three bandmates. But in the studio, he not only held his own when it came to his assigned instrument, but did his job with little, if any flaw.

Quoted from IndicaWalrus, posted August 5, 2004, 12:14pm at here

Well, Countless books etc.

Oh, well, then! I apologize for questioning you!

::)

Quoted from LarryG, posted August 7, 2004, 12:52am at here

Interesting question -- best answered in the context of the studio musicianship of the band.� According to Mark Lewisohn in The Beatles Recording Sessions -- In the thousands of hours of tape that he listened to (all with Paul McCartney and George Martin's authorization), Ringo only broke down twice -- meaning his drumming on track takes rarely required re-do's.� That said, there was one song that he played through that Lennon wanted a re-do on because Ringo drummed as if the Beatles were the Dave Clark Five (acccording to Lennon on tape).� Point is -- the thousands of hours of Beatle studio tapes affirm that Ringo may have been more technically savvy than pundits give him credit for.� Now as for John and Paul (particularly John), the breakdowns in studio recordings were far more frequent.� So the rub on Ringo might really come down to songwriting and singing ability -- something he paled when compared to his three bandmates.� But in the studio, he not only held his own when it came to his assigned instrument, but did his job with little, if any flaw.

prescisely

Ringo's a great drummer...I've got nothing more to say.

Quoted from misterchaz, posted August 7, 2004, 3:45pm at here

Oh, well, then!� I apologize for questioning you!

::)

...who do you think you are? I was just offering my opinion.

Quoted from IndicaWalrus, posted August 8, 2004, 8:53pm at here

...who do you think you are? I was just offering my opinion.

"Countless books" is an absurd defense.

I think I am someone who asked if you had any proof, and that was what you offered.

If it's your *opinion*, then yeah, well, that's a different animal entirely.

i think ringo is great...i often find myself listening to beatle songs and the drums are what my mind drifts too...if that makes sense? he's the glue

Books, Video, Films..Media in General..thats how fans read into the Bands.
That, coupled with the basic intelligence of understanding them as People.

How did you evaluate the drug-intake? dont tell me.. a Long Lost Roadie?

Quoted from IndicaWalrus, posted August 11, 2004, 11:35pm at here

Books, Video, Films..Media in General..thats how fans read into the Bands.
That, coupled with the basic intelligence of understanding them as People.

How did you evaluate the drug-intake? dont tell me.. a Long Lost Roadie?

You don't indicate who you are talking to, but I assume it's me.

I don't get your message here...media is a one sided mirror and much of what you see/read/hear is just what they WANT for you to.

None of us REALLY know ANYone in the public eye. Still, your point is well taken...we all DO judge and categorize people with the available information and our gut.

Which then creates our opinion. To which you are perfectly entitled. One needs no proof for an opinion.

As to the drug intake, I have no idea what you're asking here...roadie?

Seeing past the biased road that is layed by the media is easy, and like Ive said, you have to take what your reading with a pinch of salt.
We only know what is written, and again, you then have to make intelligent assumptions etc.

The Roadie comment was just a sarcastic remark which is niether funny nor clever. I apologise for such a waste of reading time.

"They want you to*" If this is a reference to the hundreds of authors each cashing in on the success of the Beatles, then I totaly agree....only a handful of books Ive read, I have enjoyed and thought they might be leaning over to the truthful and tasteful side instead of the fictional and absurd.

We only have Mccartneys and Starrs viewpoint if were going off Beatles, and with Mccartney being the main PR for the Beatles, you never know what is the truth.

People don't even tell everything to their spouses.

NO ONE knows the whole truth about ANYone else. Famous people especially, as they have a 'business' front.

Nah,he wasn't great. Give me Neil Peart any day. Even John Bonham.
But he was (and is) a great,charming guy,and a good drummer to boot.

Quoted from Strawberryfields67, posted August 19, 2004, 11:41pm at here

Nah,he wasn't great. Give me Neil Peart any day.

Blasphmey! Neil Peart,,,the technical wizard that has no soul. He couldnt groove if his life depended on it, but I will admit that he has an abundance of chops.

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Even John Bonham

Going out on a limb? Bonzo was incredible and had the complete package.

Theres more to drumming than just flash. Ringo had/has one of the deepest pockets in popular music and thats why he's respected by the two people you just mentioned.

Comparing Bonham to Ringo is just absurd.
For one thing, they have completely different styles and interpretations on what their own input on a record is, and it was from two very different periods in the historic time-line of 20th Century music.

Ringo (In the context of the Beatles) was a great little Rock N roll Drummer who lay down a solid beat, and could from time to time, create some creative and impressive drumming which can be seen in the later years of the Beatles.

Its only because of being in such a band like the Beatles, that his work and style gets grief.

Quoted from IndicaWalrus, posted August 21, 2004, 6:29pm at here

Comparing Bonham to Ringo is just absurd.
For one thing, they have completely different styles and interpretations on what their own input on a record is, and it was from two very different periods in the historic time-line of 20th Century music.

Ringo (In the context of the Beatles) was a great little Rock N roll Drummer who lay down a solid beat, and could from time to time, create some creative and impressive drumming which can be seen in the later years of the Beatles.

Its only because of being in such a band like the Beatles, that his work and style gets grief.

And, at the same time,. it's only because of being in such a nabd like the Beatles that his work may have ever been heard.

Wow. :0

nah, he would have toured in another Liverpool band, and his work would of still been heard.

Just disagreeing for the sake of it.

As a footnote..
Your Avatar causes slight irritation to me for some reason..dont know why :)

I know why it irritates you!

Quoted from IndicaWalrus, posted August 28, 2004, 7:41pm at here

nah, he would have toured in another Liverpool band, and his work would of still been heard.

Just disagreeing for the sake of it.

As a footnote..
Your Avatar causes slight irritation to me for some reason..dont know why :)

OHHHHHHH Snap Charlie!

Actually I think he is talking about the wavy pattern the shirt tends to make, like an old 50's tv show or something.

i was only kidding CHarlie, (though you know that so this makes me look stupid.)

Drum on my friend

Well, I know YOU were...tho it gave Maria another chance for a cheap shot (yawn).

Yeah but then you changed it. I know thats probally not why because she doesnt matter, but hold your ground.

Sorry if I gave you a Avatar Complexion :)

I was just saying from a joking viewpoint..not from the dark tyrannical absolute overbearing devouring like dictatorship of Maria's posts.

I thought Chuck's avatar was damn sexy too. Oh well!

Quoted from tkitna, posted August 30, 2004, 12:21am at here

I thought Chuck's avatar was damn sexy too. Oh well!

Oh you tease! ::)

Actually the shirt thing had been kind of bugging me for a few days but I was too lazy to set a new picture up. When the subject came up (and I still didn't quite get the joke of the initial post if it wasn't about the horizontal hold shirt effect) I figured that was the spur I needed.

It certainly had nothing to do with Maria! Her remark was a gibe but a small one, hardly much worth mentioning let alone changing my handsome visage for!

Besides, I love Ringo's drumhead. It says everything to me about the group...the Beat, the name, the stylishness, the drums I eventually took up myself...it is a real youth icon for me. :D

but belushi is just too cool to pass up

Yes. Love Ringo's drum head as I do, it is still rather pedestrian in a group such as this. Maybe in a quilting forum it would be a wild stand out. So I was casting around for some pic and John B fell into my lap. Then he smashed my guitar into the wall ("Sorry"). Then he spilled mustard all over the place and peed on my shoes.

I thought, 'what a great guy!!!'

;-D

I loves your avatar, charlie. I loves mine too. I don't care if everyone has probably had it at one point or another. :)

Quoted from Mairi, posted September 2, 2004, 1:10am at here

I loves your avatar, charlie. I loves mine too. I don't care if everyone has probably had it at one point or another. :)

Thanks....why would anyone have a problem with yours? It's a nice shot, one I'd never seen before. And I'm sure new wife Heather would just LOVE it! :D

every time i find a cool new one the dimensions are off and it comes in fuzzy. I only stick with mine cos its bright so its easy to spot as i scroll down. Im vain and i like to read what ive written.

ya same with me, i like the picture i have

It IS hard to be limited to the size of avatar we are, makes it tough to find the right graphic.

I just found and scanned a pic of me (from God knows when, the last ten years or so) with a devils pitchfork, a t-shirt that said 'get into trouble', long hair, 'stache and goatee and a frowny face that I could have tripped over it went so low. Great shot.

But when I converted it to the 60 x 60 or whatever pixels you couldn't read the word 'trouble' on the shirt anymore (and it's quite big), so I dumped it. Pity. It might have amused SOMEone besides me. But then again, maybe not. Can't go wrong with Belushi. :)

in his most stately pose too. excellent choice Mr C

Quoted from misterchaz, posted September 3, 2004, 1:47am at here

I just found and scanned a pic of me (from God knows when, the last ten years or so) with a devils pitchfork, a t-shirt that said 'get into trouble', long hair, 'stache and goatee and a frowny face that I could have tripped over it went so low.� Great shot.

You SO have to send that to Erin so she can post it on the picture site!!! ;D

Quoted from The_End, posted September 5, 2004, 12:13am at here

You SO have to send that to Erin so she can post it on the picture site!!! ;D

I already stashed it away again, no idea where.

However:

Wanna see my winky?� :)

It didnt load Charlie. Anyway i'm pretty sure it was your coattail.

Quoted from Herecomesyoursun, posted September 5, 2004, 3:50am at here

It didnt load Charlie.� Anyway i'm pretty sure it was your coattail.

It loaded.

:)

Yes. Yes my coattail. Just like Paul's shirttail, eh? :)

There you are. LOL! nice pic.

Hope no one is too offended....it's just a tie.

Wore it at the family Thanksgiving. Flashed everyone except my grandparents. After awhile my grandmother came over and said 'oh what a beautiful tie' and started rubbing it. Everyone was dying in the background. No gramma! Don't stroke it! (she couldn't see the whole tie, just the part showing under my v-neck sweater).

I'm utterly offended! LOL. I love the tie.

Quoted from colleen, posted September 5, 2004, 5:28am at here

I'm utterly offended! LOL. I love the tie.

Thank you.

My Pope thong underwear is even better, but.........nah, I can't be responsible for the brain damage incurred should I post it. ::)

Your poor unsuspecting grandma!

Quoted from Maccalvr, posted September 5, 2004, 5:43am at here

Your poor unsuspecting grandma!

I know! It was unintentionally hilarious! Plus once she saw the size of the tie she wanted to dump grandpa! ;-D

It's a great tie!!! Is it a clip-on!!!? ;D

Quoted from The_End, posted September 5, 2004, 11:48am at here

It's a great tie!!! Is it a clip-on!!!? ;D

No, no, that's just a tie clasp to hold the beast back. :)

Seperated at birth?

David Brent from the BBC show "The Office"

Mister C in Penis tie!

haha! as I scrolled down..I thought the same thing.
Then when I seen this post...I was safe in the knowledge it wasnt just me.

LOL! As David Brent would say, "fact!" ;D

LOL!

But my tie is bigger than his. :D

But my cucumber is....haven't we been over this Charlie?

His great on my list go Ringo!!! \m/

Ringo is one of the greatest drummers in rock & roll even though he's overshadowed by other legendary drummers like the late, great John Bonham & Keith Moon.

totaly different style.

Quoted from Wayne_L.

Ringo is one of the greatest drummers in rock & roll even though he's overshadowed by other legendary drummers like the late, great John Bonham & Keith Moon.

I agree. Best timekeeper ever, who cares if he wasn't a basher like Bonham and Moon, their styles wouldn't have worked with Beatles music anyways. Ringo never went for being the best drummer ever, his style was perfect and the sum of the parts, what can I say? Ringo was/is a very humble guy, did a terrific job, and his dynamic or chemistry or whatever you want to label it made the Fabs complete. My hat is off.

i really couldn't understand those 6 "NO" votes

Quoted from MagicAlex

i really couldn't understand those 6 "NO" votes

Non-drummers no doubt, but everybodys entitled.

Ringo for president!

i dunno too much bout drumming, but i like his style so a yes for me.

Listen to- Rain and A Day In The Life, and you would think hes amazing

Quoted from Maccalvr

I don't know if I would call him amazing. Amazing and Ringo? It doesn't really fit. I mean he's good and all but amazing? Would anyone consider him an innovater or creative in his drumming? Seriously because I don't know the technicalities of drumming so maybe he was. Who knows.

Now as for Keith Moon.... Glad to see there are others that appreciate him!

are u kidding??????? he wasnt technically good, but he sure was CREATIVE!!!..........

He was a time-keeping master!
His work is great.

Whats the difference between Ringo and a stopped watch?

The watch is on time twice a day.

some great drumming by Ringo:

Rain
A Day In The Life
She Said She Said
Ticket To Ride
She Came In Thru the Bathroom Window

and theres way more, ill get back to this one

Polytheme Pam and She Came in Through the Bathroom Window was some excellent drumming

^his work on "Abbey Road" is perfect ;)

so is Pauls bass work ^

Quoted from IndicaWalrus

Ringo for president!

LOL
Totally!

What songs do you think Ringo could have done much better on?

The only one I can think of is "Birthday", he could have done some fancy stuff instead of just abusing the bass pedal.

i think the drums on in my life are simple yet perfect.

his drums on sexy sadie are preety cool

The more I really listen to his drums the more I realize how great he was. I love the drums on A Day in the Life!! I also love them on Hello Goodbye, Come Together, Helter Skelter, Let it Be etc. He's awesome.

Phil Collins quote:

Though some have tried to downplay his contributions to the band, Starr's unique drumming style played a major role in the overall sound of The Beatles. To this day, many drummers list Starr as a major influence including Max Weinberg of The E Street Band, Liberty DeVitto of Billy Joel's band, Phil Collins, Andy Sturmer of Jellyfish, and others. According to Collins, Ringo is "vastly underrated. The drum fills on "A Day In The Life" are very complex things. You could take a great drummer today and say, 'I want it like that.' They wouldn't know what to do." Lennon, McCartney and Harrison have all said that Ringo was the best rock and roll drummer in the world.

Sorry to rehash, but

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Amazing and Ringo? It doesn't really fit.

What is that supposed to mean? What ISN'T amazing about this man?

~ missy

I love the drumming on Ticket to Ride lately. When someone talks about how Ringo sucks, how on earth can you defend him. I mean, people don't HEAR it. The don't LISTEN!! Then I have to rattle off some songs and their eyes glaze over. How do you explain Ringo??

And what did Paul mean when he said in an interview that they had to "coax" the drum fills out of Ringo on A Day in the Life. Is this is off hand way of saying he had a lot to do with the way the drums sound?

i believe the having to coax him meant he was capable if great moments like day in the life,rain but wasnt one for showing off and so sometimes to get ringo to do it they had coax him into doing it.

he was capable of doing great things but chose instead to do it simpler and less flashy in favour of the song rather than trying to show off

Ringo is a ghastly underated drummer!!!
He's the kind of drummer i love, simple & he holds a band all together.
i think he had his own style & a distintive sound, which made the Beatles records.
it woundn't have sounded the same if Pete Best went on with them, i found pete
a bit too jazzy in his place certainly on the Decca audition, but he was a good drummer.
i dunno, but you just know it's Ringo when you hear his playing! :)

I'm reminded of what some have said about John: not necessarily the deepest thinker, but a true original. That's what makes a mark in this world, originality and innovation. Ringo was all that, too, mega-paradiddles aside.

:P

What a nice thought, Klang!

Simply put: No.

In the grand scheme of things I'd say he was mediocre at best. However, he fit the bands style. It's easy to look at Keith Moon's style (like some have) and say, "Well, he's no Keith Moon".. and don't get me wrong, Keith Moon is the better drummer, but would he fit The Beatles? I highly doubt.

Quoted from Sandra

I love the drumming on Ticket to Ride lately.

Yes; and of course "Rain." Other drummers may have been technically better and some were certainly flashier, but Ringo had style and power (see "She Loves You"). Flash and/or technique aren't adequate substitutes for that.

although ringo is good, his son, zak, is wayyyyyyyy better

Quoted from theBEATLESrock_on

although ringo is good, his son, zak, is wayyyyyyyy better

Zak, in my opinion, is a very competent drummer with no originality. It could be anyone. Only one person, however, sounds like Ringo. Though I wouldn't go as far as saying he was amazing.

Quoted from BlueMeanie

Zak, in my opinion, is a very competent drummer with no originality. It could be anyone. Only one person, however, sounds like Ringo.

I'd probably change the 'no originality' to 'versatility'.

'It could be anyone' is a clear indication to me that he plays for the song as many great drummers do. He pulls off Moonie better than anybody and then plays basic stuff for Oasis. I mean, its impossible to pick out drummers like Jim Keltner, Hal Blaine, Earl Palmer, etc,,,unless you read on the album cover that they were the drummers. Not all drummers have their own signature sound or style.

Anyways, I see what your point is BM, but I feel that Zak is a lot better than just competent.

eh I'm just into alternative at the moment and he plays that sort of stuff

Quoted from tkitna

I mean, its impossible to pick out drummers like Jim Keltner, Hal Blaine, Earl Palmer, etc,,,unless you read on the album cover that they were the drummers. Not all drummers have their own signature sound or style.

I'm not a guy who should be getting into a technical discussion of music, but I think you can hear what Ringo contributed to The Beatles even as early as 1962: just play his version of "Love Me Do" after Andy White's: White's version is technically better, but Ringo's sound is bigger and has more 'roll' to it, for lack of a better word. Ringo's style is not as crisp as White's, but it moves if that makes any sense, and, to my mind, gives the record a slightly more bluesy feel.

true. i think they are just different

Quoted from Geoff

I'm not a guy who should be getting into a technical discussion of music, but I think you can hear what Ringo contributed to The Beatles even as early as 1962: just play his version of "Love Me Do" after Andy White's: White's version is technically better, but Ringo's sound is bigger and has more 'roll' to it, for lack of a better word.

I'll join you in the non-technical area. I'd say the early Ringo has swing. Unlike Charlie Watts, who was a jazz drummer - and not a very good one - I think Ringo could have swung (!!) that way.

Quoted from BlueMeanie

I'll join you in the non-technical area. I'd say the early Ringo has swing. Unlike Charlie Watts, who was a jazz drummer - and not a very good one - I think Ringo could have swung (!!) that way.

Yes!!! 'Swing-' that's the word. Thank you. 8)

[note to self- use a thesaurus]

I might say that Ringo was an amazing drummer because:

1) He was the best in Liverpool and Hamburg, which was the beginning of pop music as we know it.
2) He developed the sound of the Beatles as surely as John's rhythm guitar, George's Rockabilly guitar, and John's rhythm guitar did.
3) An entire UNIVERSE of drumming was based on what he did.

Hey, I guess I will say it!

How much of Ringo's drumming came out of his creativity and how much came from the other guys do you think? I only ask because every so often I read about how Paul or the others came up with an idea for the drum parts and then got Ringo to do it. How much did Ringo contribute on his own? Do we know? I mean, in ideas, not the actual execution which of course he did very well.

Quoted from Sandra

How much of Ringo's drumming came out of his creativity and how much came from the other guys do you think? I only ask because every so often I read about how Paul or the others came up with an idea for the drum parts and then got Ringo to do it. How much did Ringo contribute on his own? Do we know? I mean, in ideas, not the actual execution which of course he did very well.

This is a good question and I dont think anybody has the answer to it.

I'm gonna guess that Ringo probably came up with the majority of the stuff himself. Paul, George Martin, and John probably told him if they didnt dig what he was doing and we do know that Paul at least told him what patterns he wanted on a few occasions (Ticket To Ride). But seriously, who knows.

Quoted from tkitna

This is a good question and I dont think anybody has the answer to it.

I'm gonna guess that Ringo probably came up with the majority of the stuff himself. Paul, George Martin, and John probably told him if they didnt dig what he was doing and we do know that Paul at least told him what patterns he wanted on a few occasions (Ticket To Ride). But seriously, who knows.

I imagine that that's probably not unusual. Unless the drummer was involved in the writing of the song.

Quoted from Sandra

How much of Ringo's drumming came out of his creativity and how much came from the other guys do you think? I only ask because every so often I read about how Paul or the others came up with an idea for the drum parts and then got Ringo to do it.

This is a banal answer, but I imagine it varied from song to song. He probably did receive more direction from Paul, particularly as the sixties wore on and Paul became much more definite about how he wanted his records to sound. There were probably varying degrees of give-and-take during rehearsals and recording sessions, too. Some songs were probably fairly quickly arranged and dispatched, others less so. Listening to the session tapes would surely help here.

Which leads to another point: for all the thousands of hours of interviews done with The Beatles, there's not all that much on the music itself. John talked about it in the 1980 Playboy interview, and Paul did the same in Many Years From Now, but offhand I don't recall much else. Maybe George did, too, in I, Me, Mine but I haven't seen that.

the beatles were all about the drum and bass combo :) and vocals.

technically not the best but very inventive drumming and mostly he had fun and loved what he was playing.

Quoted from tkitna

This is a good question and I dont think anybody has the answer to it.

I'm gonna guess that Ringo probably came up with the majority of the stuff himself. Paul, George Martin, and John probably told him if they didnt dig what he was doing and we do know that Paul at least told him what patterns he wanted on a few occasions (Ticket To Ride). But seriously, who knows.

It seems like from what we've seen/heard of their sessions that he is usually quietly waiting. He never seems actively involved in what's going on really. But then we've only been privy to very little of their actual creative process. Or am I seeing this wrong?

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I think that will make sense to any beatle lover who really does sleep with headphones on and panning to one side! LOL!

Haha I do that!!!!

Quoted from Sandra

It seems like from what we've seen/heard of their sessions that he is usually quietly waiting. He never seems actively involved in what's going on really. But then we've only been privy to very little of their actual creative process. Or am I seeing this wrong?

Thats what i'm saying also. We never see the actual creative process. We have heard or maybe seen some footage of the studio sessions where the song already has a base, but the actual start from point 'A' is nonexistent so its hard to say.

Quoted from tkitna

Thats what i'm saying also. We never see the actual creative process. We have heard or maybe seen some footage of the studio sessions where the song already has a base, but the actual start from point 'A' is nonexistent so its hard to say.

One of the Day By Day discs documents the day when Paul was 'teaching' the rest 'Let It Be' Interesting stuff, I'll see if I can easily locate the right one (among 76 CD's).

It's Vol. 12, CD 1 & 2. If you're interested you can download it from here:

Volume 12 January 9 1969 - Twickenham 144.13mb mp3
http://6plus3.wordpress.com/category/mp3/page/2/

I don't think he's AMAZING but it took some skill to play backwards. I think he did on Come Together.
playing right handed GO RINGO

He may not be known for being a great drummer, but he really got the job done, which people overlook. He could keep any and all beats. He's AWESOME.

He's pretty good by my standards.

....And apparently the other three lads as well!
I mean, obviously if they hated he's drumming style. He'd never had made it as far or become the fourth and final Beatle.

Being a beginning drummer myself, I'm still learning the basics, but Ringo is an amazing drummer in my standards. He really showed his talent in Rain and The End. And I do think Ringo was great for his desire to not perform drum solos, which most drummers will fight with their band members to get. If you just watch his right hand...urgh, I can't even get my left hand to do anything seeing as I'm right-handed. But I'll teach myself eventually.

His drumming is unique and stylish, anyway, it is very late and I need to go to bed, Goodnight!!!

Ringo was in one of my math problems today. Nobody knew the answer except me. Go figure :P

^ something to do with.... beats-per-minute? (lol)

No it was a true false question thing. Elton John played the piano (true), Ringo played the drums (true) and Elvis played the violin (false) :P The other kids in my class didn't know who Elton John was let alone that he played the piano and they basically didn't know who Ringo was and that he played the drums for The Beatles.

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