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Posted by: number14, June 10, 2005, 2:51am
They are good, anyone like them?
Posted by: Crazy Diamond, June 10, 2005, 12:10pm; Reply: 1
They have some amazing songs, but most of their stuff blows.
Posted by: Rowdy, June 10, 2005, 12:34pm; Reply: 2
I like all six of the albums........I could've sworn we had another thread about this earlier as I remember typing something about 'The Soft Parade'.........but yeah, one of the best catalogs of all time.
Posted by: Herecomesyoursun, June 10, 2005, 9:54pm; Reply: 3
number14 starts threads like none other.

the doors rock, but some stuff from their middle period is kinda shitty.
Posted by: Joost, June 11, 2005, 1:06pm; Reply: 4
I really like them, except for the really bluesy songs. I don't like blues.
Posted by: Rowdy, June 11, 2005, 3:10pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from Herecomesyoursun

the doors rock, but some stuff from their middle period is kinda shitty.


"Waiting for the Sun" wasn't a great album, but it wasn't "shitty" imo......and the other five are holy classics of awesomeness.
;D
Posted by: Crazy Diamond, June 11, 2005, 3:20pm; Reply: 6
Waiting for the Sun is their best album.
Posted by: adamzero, June 11, 2005, 8:10pm; Reply: 7
The first album is great.  Then my favorite songs on the other albums include "LA Woman," "Roadhouse Blues," and "Peace Frog."  

You have to admire Ray M. for playing those bass lines on his organ on some of their stuff, but I think they were a better band when they used real bass.  
Posted by: Joost, June 11, 2005, 8:55pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from adamzero
You have to admire Ray M. for playing those bass lines on his organ on some of their stuff, but I think they were a better band when they used real bass.  


Yeah, I think his organ usually sounded a little too thin because he had to play it with just one hand.
Posted by: Joost, June 11, 2005, 8:56pm; Reply: 9
What do you all think of the Soft Parade album? I read a lot of bad reviews for it, but I think it's a pretty good album.
Posted by: apple sauce, June 12, 2005, 12:24am; Reply: 10
Here's a rundown of the "Door's Career" short form! Ray meets Jimmy on a beach in Sothern Calif they talk and form the Doors! First Lp stunning "Light My Fire" all time classic song. The rest of the LP great also! "People Are Strange" LP a liitle more out there lyrically and musically! Outstanding songs People Are Strange, Moonlight Mile. Next up "Waiting For The Sun" another stunning song which gets little recognition "Unknown Soldier" (Government didn't like it) War protest song! Morrison's Hotel incredible song called "Roadhouse Blues" great rock/blusey song! Suddenly the establishment has a "H-ON" for Jim and the Doors can't get gigs anywhere? LA Woman LP gives us "Riders On The Storm!!!" another awesome song!!! Live LP in there also double captures Doors sound and is good! AS a band they allways had that 1 hit off each LP which kept their name going!! Big AM hits  Light MY Fire, Hello I Love You, Tell All The People, and Riders On The Storm! They leave their mark on the music scene with a style never duplicated! Didn't hurt that their singer had the most carismatic stage presence of any guy just short of "Elvis!"
Posted by: Rowdy, June 12, 2005, 4:51am; Reply: 11
Quoted from Biscuit_Power
What do you all think of the Soft Parade album? I read a lot of bad reviews for it, but I think it's a pretty good album.


Same here, great album. I like it more than "Waiting For The Sun" and "Morrison Hotel"...
Posted by: adamzero, June 12, 2005, 2:21pm; Reply: 12
I used to like "Riders on the Storm" but one time in college I caught a ride from Chapel Hill to Nashville with this guy--they're were six of us in the car--and he insisted on listening to the "LA Woman" album over and over again.  It was his car.  

Somehow hearing "Riders" about fifty times over the course of 10 hours was just too much for me.  It's a great song, but I have to change the radio channels when I hear that thunder clap at the beginning.

Luckily I never got tired of "LA Woman."
Posted by: number14, June 12, 2005, 5:04pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Herecomesyoursun
number14 starts threads like none other.



thanks herecomesyoursun!
Posted by: number14, June 12, 2005, 5:05pm; Reply: 14
was the song the end their last song?
Posted by: Herecomesyoursun, June 12, 2005, 6:29pm; Reply: 15
haha no.  one of their first actually.
Posted by: pc31, June 12, 2005, 7:07pm; Reply: 16
jim was rather funny.........you can't disregard the effect the doors had on the music industry.jim was larger than life.read the book noone here gets out alive by danny sugarman.....i use to love the doors music but as time wore on it started to sound dirgey.it was kinda eerie.do you know who played bass for them?he use to hide behind a screen.funeral music....just don't rock....jim caused riots...i think his poems are good but not great.horse latitudes and the lizard are faves.if he would have wrote a book,it would have been a million seller.he did more drugs than they made i think....lol to call him a reluctant star seems right but wronmg too...i think the should have called themselves "how big an a** will jim be today"....he was a moody guy.lost in the world of no direction.they rocked....
Posted by: Sandra, June 12, 2005, 9:03pm; Reply: 17
I think his drug use is exaggerated. He was a just another drunking Irishman really. At least that's what they implied in that book of which you speak.
Posted by: Mushmouth, June 20, 2005, 7:32pm; Reply: 18
Sucks how they didn't have a bass player and just used bass pedals on the keyboard, that's pretty degrading to bass players.
Posted by: JimmyMcCullochFan, June 26, 2008, 8:20pm; Reply: 19
Anybody like them? I think they are great and Morrison was a genius.
Posted by: Joost, June 26, 2008, 9:40pm; Reply: 20
I love The Doors. But mostly their pop side and not so much their blues side. My favorite Doors album is hands down The Soft Parade, which pretty much everyone else seems to think is one of their weakest.

I think Jim Morrison wasn't the only genius in The Doors. Ray Manzarek is a criminally underrated musician. Sure, Robby Krieger was (is) an amazing musician as well, but to me, the typical Doors sound was 45% Jim's voice and 45% Ray's keyboards. "Light My Fire" is a mediocre song without the organ part.
Posted by: HeatherBoo, June 26, 2008, 11:59pm; Reply: 21
Light My Fire, Riders on the Storm, Break on Through are some of my favorite songs! It is a shame Jim died so young!
Posted by: Mr. Mustard, June 27, 2008, 12:23am; Reply: 22
I like the Doors, but I tend to have mixed reactions to them.  I don't look at Jim Morrison as the mystical genius that his big fans do, but the guy did have talent and charisma.  

Best songs -- People are Strange, Spanish Caravan, Love Her Madly, The Crystal Ship, Whisky Bar, Love Street, Roadhouse Blues, Riders on the Storm, When the Music's Over, Light My Fire (though I've heard it way too much).  I can take or leave The End -- it doesn't do anything for me.

When the movie The Doors came out in '91, I saw it about 4 times in the first month it was out.  My buddies and I would smoke a joint and trip out during it.  Then I saw it a few years later and thought it was sort of cotton-candyish, a tasty treat but without much substance.  I think that's more the fault of Oliver Stone than anything -- all his movies (except maybe Platoon and Wall Street) seem to lack any kind of weighty substance.
Posted by: alexis, June 27, 2008, 5:23am; Reply: 23
I like all those Doors songs too!

But maybe my favorite is one that isn't talked about much, I love it mainly because of the INCREDIBLY DISTORTED GUITARS at the end - "20th Century Fox". I love the chutzpah/moxie/cojones/your noun here of any group that basically decides "You know, what this song really needs here is white noise .... lots of it! ". Rivals John in "She's So Heavy", maybe even (gasp!) better!

"She's fashionably lean ..."  :)
Posted by: Mr. Mustard, June 27, 2008, 5:37am; Reply: 24
Really....?  Maybe I should listen to 20th Century Fox again!
Posted by: alexis, June 27, 2008, 5:45am; Reply: 25
Quoted from Mr. Mustard
Really....?  Maybe I should listen to 20th Century Fox again!


I'm going to also!! (If I can find it...)
Posted by: JimmyMcCullochFan, June 28, 2008, 2:34am; Reply: 26
I'm reading Ray's biography about his life with the Doors and it's hilarious so far =D He's such a smart a**
Posted by: HeatherBoo, June 28, 2008, 4:21am; Reply: 27
They were definitely a influential and memorable band from the 60's...
Posted by: tkitna, June 28, 2008, 9:26am; Reply: 28
I like the Doors a bunch too, but a small amount can last a long time.
Posted by: BlueMeanie, June 28, 2008, 9:32am; Reply: 29
Quoted from Mr. Mustard
I like the Doors, but I tend to have mixed reactions to them.  I don't look at Jim Morrison as the mystical genius that his big fans do, but the guy did have talent and charisma.  

Best songs -- People are Strange, Spanish Caravan, Love Her Madly, The Crystal Ship, Whisky Bar, Love Street, Roadhouse Blues, Riders on the Storm, When the Music's Over, Light My Fire (though I've heard it way too much).  I can take or leave The End -- it doesn't do anything for me.


What he said!
Posted by: Geoff, June 28, 2008, 2:44pm; Reply: 30
Not my sort of thing, but "LA Woman," Light My Fire," and "Roadhouse Blues" are decent enough. Haven't heard The Doors in ages, actually.  :)
Posted by: alexis, June 28, 2008, 4:12pm; Reply: 31
OK, like I said, I love The Doors. But that didn't keep me from FUBARing ... the song with the distortion from hell wasn't "20th Century Fox", it was "Hello I Love You".

Here is a REALLY cool clip of them playing live in a street, superimposed on the real song. Like John said about "Cold Turkey" - play this LOUD!!!  (the bass way up too!)

"Hello I Love You":    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x34wa2jehek


BTW, "20th Century Fox" is pretty excellent too!!  ...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnnWdI74bAQ
Posted by: HeatherBoo, June 28, 2008, 5:55pm; Reply: 32
Oh yes and Love Her Madly and & Hello I love You... I love those ones too!
Posted by: blackmath, June 28, 2008, 5:59pm; Reply: 33
oh, i love the doors. jim has the coolest voice ever and the organs are amazing.
Posted by: Mr. Mustard, June 28, 2008, 10:27pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from HeatherBoo
They were definitely a influential and memorable band from the 60's...


Memorable, absolutely.  Influential?  That's a tougher call for me.  What bands/performers that followed afterwards would you look at and think, "Obviously heavily influenced by Morrison/the Doors."

I have heard comparisons of Patti Smith to Jim Morrison.
Posted by: HeatherBoo, June 28, 2008, 11:44pm; Reply: 35
Maybe influenced was a wrong choice of word... But I think that many people when asked to name some of the greatest bands from the 60's,  many would name The Doors as one of them.  And I think because they were so big, that many up and coming artists probably fed off of that.  Off the top of my head, your right, I can't really think of a band that sounds similiar to them.  But I am sure that they must have influenced many bands.
Posted by: Joost, June 29, 2008, 10:39am; Reply: 36
Quoted from Mr. Mustard

Memorable, absolutely.  Influential?  That's a tougher call for me.  What bands/performers that followed afterwards would you look at and think, "Obviously heavily influenced by Morrison/the Doors."


Musically they weren't that influencial. But Jim's stage attitude could've been inspirational for a lot of punk bands.
Posted by: Sandra, June 29, 2008, 11:16am; Reply: 37
Uh, have you ever seen Scott Weiland? I think he actually thinks he IS Jim Morrison. Well, sometimes he thinks he Mick Jagger, but it's mostly Jim.  I think you all are underestimating the power of the Doors.

Here's a start anyway.
From Wiki:

Morrison remains one of the most popular and influential singers/writers in rock history, as The Doors' catalog has become a staple of classic rock radio stations. To this day, he is widely regarded as the prototypical rock star: surly, sexy, scandalous and mysterious. The leather pants he was fond of wearing both onstage and off have since become stereotyped as rock star apparel.

Seminal punk rock band Iggy and the Stooges are said to have formed after lead singer Iggy Pop was inspired by Morrison while attending a Doors concert in Ann Arbor, Michigan.[39] One of Iggy Pop's most popular songs, "The Passenger", is said to be based on one of Morrison's poems.[40] After Morrison's death, Iggy was considered as a replacement for Morrison; the surviving Doors gave Iggy some of Morrison's belongings, and hired him as a vocalist for a series of shows.

Wallace Fowlie, professor emeritus of French literature at Duke University, wrote Rimbaud and Jim Morrison, subtitled "The Rebel as Poet – A Memoir." In this book, Fowlie recounts his surprise at receiving a fan letter from Morrison who, in 1968, thanked him for his latest translation of Rimbaud's verse into English. "I don't read French easily", he wrote, "...your book travels around with me." Fowlie went on to give lectures on numerous campuses comparing the lives, philosophies and poetry of Morrison and Rimbaud.

Scott Weiland, the vocalist of Stone Temple Pilots and Velvet Revolver, as well as Scott Stapp of Creed (band) claim Morrison to be their biggest influence and inspiration. Stone Temple Pilots and Velvet Revolver have both covered "Roadhouse Blues" by the Doors. Weiland also filled in for the late-Morrison to perform "Break On Through" with the rest of the Doors . Stapp filled in for Morrison for "Light my fire","Riders on the Storm" and "Roadhouse Blues" on vH1 storytellers. Creed performed their version of "Riders on the storm" with Robbie Krieger for the Woodstock festival.

In Stephen Davis' book Jim Morrison: Life, Death, Legend (2004) the author makes a compelling argument for a case that the Rolling Stones adopted some of the Doors darker edges for their album Aftermath - and beyond. Subsequent tracks like, "Gimme Shelter", "Street Fighting Man" and "You Can't Always Get What You Want" also share lyrical similarities with the dark material in Morrison's songs, which has been both confirmed and denied to be a sign of Morrison having a preference for nihilism.The book The Doors by the remaining Doors quotes Morrison's close friend Frank Lisciandro as saying that too many people took a remark of Morrison's that he was interested in revolt, disorder, and chaos “to mean that he was an anarchist, a revolutionary, or worse a nihilist. Hardly anyone noticed that Jim was restating Rimbaud and the Surreal poets.”

From reviewer Judge Victor Valdivia:

The Doors' self-titled debut album caused an immediate sensation when it was released in 1967. It spawned a Number One hit with "Light My Fire" and sold millions of copies worldwide. It would also influence many subsequent musicians for many years to come.

Much of the reaction surrounding the Doors centers on the band's charismatic and controversial frontman, Jim Morrison. Keyboardist Ray Manzarek is a skilled accompanist. Guitarist Robby Krieger is a gifted songwriter and talented musician (and possibly the most underrated guitarist of the era). Drummer John Densmore kept a light, swinging beat without plodding or showing off. Still the Doors was really Morrison's show, and he was, for better and for worse, incapable of any self-restraint. It's hard to imagine now, because so many have imitated and watered down his act, but, back then, rock 'n roll had never seen the likes of Morrison before. No other singer incorporated elements of drama, theatrics, and showmanship to the degree that he had, and, afterwards, it became inconceivable that any singer could perform without at least a little bit of his influence. Alice Cooper, Iggy Pop, Johnny Rotten, Axl Rose, Ian Astbury, Michael Hutchence, Henry Rollins, Perry Farrell (the last two of whom appear on this DVD to sing Morrison's praises): generations of singers have cited him as a crucial influence, the singer they in one form or another emulated the most.

From Entertainment Weekly:

Their appeal was perhaps best explained by critic Lester Bangs: ''The Stones were dirty, but the Doors were dread.'' Formed in L.A. in 1965, the Doors -- Morrison, Manzarek, guitarist Robbie Krieger, and drummer John Densmore -- crammed sex and blues and jazz and death into a heady rock & roll stew that was the perfect soundtrack for a generation bent on breaking down the doors of perception. The group's 1967 ''Light My Fire'' was hardly a pie-eyed hippie anthem. It simmered with an implicit threat in Morrison's half-spoken vocals, an ominous edge to Manzarek's chilly organ playing; the music's understated menace hinted that the singer's love would be incendiary -- and possibly soul shattering. No wonder Morrison called the Doors ''erotic politicians.''

Still, the singer's death only increased the group's mystique -- and worth: The Doors sell more records today than when Morrison was alive. Oliver Stone's 1991 film The Doors boosted their popularity even further. The most recent nod to their following was October's CD release of 1970's Absolutely Live, which captures the band's savagely pristine live sound. In fact, the influence of their best music can be heard throughout rock, from Iggy Pop to Danzig, proving that the fire the Doors lit three decades ago still burns brightly today.
Posted by: madman, July 1, 2008, 2:16pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from Joost
I love The Doors. But mostly their pop side and not so much their blues side. My favorite Doors album is hands down The Soft Parade, which pretty much everyone else seems to think is one of their weakest.I think Jim Morrison wasn't the only genius in The Doors. Ray Manzarek is a criminally underrated musician. Sure, Robby Krieger was (is) an amazing musician as well, but to me, the typical Doors sound was 45% Jim's voice and 45% Ray's keyboards. "Light My Fire" is a mediocre song without the organ part.


I love the Doors too, but I think The Soft Parade is one of the worst albums ever made, period.  Just all around weak aongs and production.  I knew a girl who loved that album and she used to play it every time I saw her, just to annoy me!

I think their first album is their overall best, although the others have their highlights ("When The Music's Over", "Not To Touch The Earth", and "Peace Frog", among others).
Posted by: Joost, July 1, 2008, 2:29pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from madman

I love the Doors too, but I think The Soft Parade is one of the worst albums ever made, period.  Just all around weak aongs and production.


I like every single song on that album.
Posted by: Jane, July 2, 2008, 6:23pm; Reply: 40
I like the Doors and consider them to be great, a unique contribution to rock. And besides Jim Morrison is a rock-icon, isn`t he? I haven`t heard all their songs but a lot. And some are outstanding. Could you remind me what he died of, it was heartattack, wasn`t it?
Posted by: Joost, July 2, 2008, 6:46pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from Jane
I like the Doors and consider them to be great, a unique contribution to rock. And besides Jim Morrison is a rock-icon, isn`t he? I haven`t heard all their songs but a lot. And some are outstanding. Could you remind me what he died of, it was heartattack, wasn`t it?


That's what in his death certificate, yeah. But since there was no autopsy we'll never know for sure. It has been reported that Jim and his girlfriend used heroin that night, so it could've been an overdose.
Posted by: Joost, July 2, 2008, 6:50pm; Reply: 42
A funny thing that I read in a book about Jim Morrison:

The Doors' drummer John Densmore got some sort of rash on his upper legs shortly after he joined the band. He went to a doctor who told him that it was caused by stress. The rash didn't dissapear until a week after Morrison's death and never returned since. So it's probably safe to say that Jim could really be a pain in the a**...  ;D
Posted by: Mr. Mustard, July 4, 2008, 11:57pm; Reply: 43
Scott Stapp?  Scott Weiland?  Blowhards.

Morrison's poetry?  Overrated.

The Stones?  Aftermath came out in 1966 -- the Doors were unknowns then.  I don't think the Doors had much impact on the Stones.  It could have been the other way around.

However, I am actually a Doors fan, despite those statements.
Posted by: Sandra, July 5, 2008, 12:29am; Reply: 44
Quoted from Joost


That's what in his death certificate, yeah. But since there was no autopsy we'll never know for sure. It has been reported that Jim and his girlfriend used heroin that night, so it could've been an overdose.


Recently it's been reported that Jim overdosed at a popular club in Paris. Marianne Faithfull was there that night but won't talk. That girl has a lot of stories in her. I wish she'd write a tell all book! Although she'd come out looking horrible so I guess that's not gonna happen.

Here's the story:
Club manager tells his version of Jim Morrison's death

By Angela Doland

The Associated Press

Former Paris nightclub manager Sam Bernett describes Doors singer Jim Morrison's death. No autopsy was ever performed.

PARIS — The official story goes like this: On the last night of Jim Morrison's life, the rocker went to a movie in Paris, listened to records, fell ill and died of heart failure in his bathtub at age 27.

But rumors have always swirled around the death of the Doors frontman, and 36 years later a former Paris nightclub manager is telling a different story. In a new book, Sam Bernett says that Morrison died in a toilet stall of his club after what he believes was a heroin overdose.

He writes of his shock upon finding Morrison's body: "The flamboyant singer of The Doors, the beautiful California boy, had become an inert lump crumpled in the toilet of a nightclub." Bernett, whose French-language book is called "The End: Jim Morrison," says he believes two drug dealers brought Morrison's body back to his apartment.

Though he was pestered for years by reporters investigating Morrison's death, he kept his story quiet until his wife suggested writing a book last year.

"For me it's a very bad [memory]," Bernett said. Rumors have long suggested that Morrison died of an overdose and that he had fallen ill at the nightclub, but witnesses did not come forward.

Patrick Chauvel, a noted war photographer and writer, sometimes helped run the bar at the club. He recalls giving a hand to men who were carrying Morrison in a staircase there.

"I think he was already dead," said Chauvel. Chauvel said he thought an ambulance would have been called if Morrison were still alive.

Stephen Davis, the author of "Jim Morrison: Life, Death, Legend," says he would not rewrite history because of the new book. Based on his reporting, he believes Morrison did overdose at the club, but that it was shortly before his death — not the same night — and that he survived the experience.

Morrison came to Paris in March 1971 at a troubled time in his life. At a 1969 Doors concert in Florida, he was accused of exposing his genitals to the audience. He was convicted of indecent exposure and profanity, and the episode led to promoters canceling concerts and earned the band a stream of negative publicity.

Morrison left for Paris with his appeal pending. There, he lived in a Right Bank apartment with his girlfriend, Pamela Courson, and he wandered the streets, sightseeing and toting around a plastic bag containing his writings. In Paris, he gained so much weight as to become almost unrecognizable, and his health suffered.

He also partied. Morrison spent "practically every night" at the Rock and Roll Circus, the hip Left Bank nightclub that Bernett managed, where stars like Roman Polanski and Marianne Faithfull were regulars, Bernett said.

At around 1 a.m. on July 3, 1971, Morrison went to the club and was joined by two men — drug dealers who sold him heroin for Courson, Bernett said. At one point, Bernett noticed that Morrison had disappeared. Later, the bouncer broke down the door of a locked toilet stall, and they discovered Morrison unresponsive, Bernett said.

Bernett says he asked a doctor, a club customer, to examine the singer.

"When we found him dead, he had a little foam on his nose, and some blood too, and the doctor said, 'That must be an overdose of heroin,' " Bernett said. Bernett added that he did not see Morrison take any heroin that night but said the singer was known to sniff the drug because he was afraid of needles.

Bernett believes the dealers brought Morrison's body home and dropped it into the bathtub, a last attempt to revive him.

Morrison's girlfriend, who died three years later of an overdose, told police an entirely different story.

Courson said the couple went to the movies and out for dinner that night, listened to records and fell asleep. According to her testimony in police records, Morrison awoke in the night feeling ill and took a hot bath. Courson said she found him dead in the tub.

Morrison was buried in Père-Lachaise cemetery, in a small ceremony without fanfare, on July 7, 1971. No autopsy was ever performed.
Posted by: Sandra, July 5, 2008, 12:32am; Reply: 45
Quoted from Mr. Mustard
Scott Stapp?  Scott Weiland?  Blowhards.

Morrison's poetry?  Overrated.

The Stones?  Aftermath came out in 1966 -- the Doors were unknowns then.  I don't think the Doors had much impact on the Stones.  It could have been the other way around.

However, I am actually a Doors fan, despite those statements.


Stapp and Weiland are blow hards, but there were plenty that weren't, the poetry thing is subjective, but you do make a good point about the Stones.  :)

No, the Doors don't appear to be hugely influential, but you really couldn't say their influence was minuscule. It's hard to tell with a band like them. Their influence is not the type than can be easily heard. It's not as obvious. Artists take different things from different bands. But there is no doubt in my mind that there are many bands influenced by them. Or by Jim. Not on Beatles level of course, but then who is?? But again, emulating another bands sound isn't the only type of influence. Now that I think of it, I don't think there's another band that sounds like the Doors. They are very unique. That says something for them I think. Not sure what though!  ;)

Also, I don't know how the music scene was back then, but I think bands were aware of other bands before the rest of us. Didn't one of the Stones' girlfriends find Hendrix in a NY club before anyone knew who he was? I'm sure they all hung out at clubs where it was happening. The Whiskey being one of them. These bands most certainly frequented the Sunset Strip where the Doors were staples. The Doors started in 1965 so who knows. But the reviewer wasn't saying it as fact anyway. Just speculating. So probably you're correct.

I was hearing a lot of Doors music on the radio the last few days. I forgot, it was the anniversary of his death. Weird that his birthday is on the date Lennon was killed. I always forget that too.
Posted by: Mr. Mustard, July 5, 2008, 7:39am; Reply: 46
Yeah, I posed the question "How influential is Jim Morrison/the Doors REALLY?" to see what response would come.  As much as I respect their music, I think the Doors are more influential due to the persona of Jim Morrison.  He was a bigger-than-life character and certainly many frontmen of up-and-coming rock bands looked to him as the ideal.

He was truly a great figure in rock and roll.  But I also think that his death saved his reputation -- had he not died in '71, where would he have been in '73, or '75?  I think he'd have been forgotten, like Sly Stone is.

Jim Morrison has the same birthday as John Lennon?
Posted by: Joost, July 5, 2008, 7:40am; Reply: 47
Sandra, the nightclub theory you mentioned was also mentioned in the "Final 24" episode about Jim Morrison on Discovery Channel. So who knows... Despite his extremely unhealthy lifestyle and despite the fact that even 27 years olds can drop dead all of a sudden for no apparent reason, I always found it hard to believe that he just had a heart attack in his bath tub... Something about the story just doesn't seem right.
Posted by: Sandra, July 5, 2008, 8:30am; Reply: 48
Quoted from Mr. Mustard


Jim Morrison has the same birthday as John Lennon?


Oops. I meant born on the same date that Lennon died. December 8th.
Posted by: Sandra, July 5, 2008, 8:34am; Reply: 49
Quoted from Joost
Sandra, the nightclub theory you mentioned was also mentioned in the "Final 24" episode about Jim Morrison on Discovery Channel. So who knows... Despite his extremely unhealthy lifestyle and despite the fact that even 27 years olds can drop dead all of a sudden for no apparent reason, I always found it hard to believe that he just had a heart attack in his bath tub... Something about the story just doesn't seem right.


I don't believe the heart attack story for a minute. Unless the heart attack was brought on by drugs. It's just way too suspicious. No one to confirm anything, everyone present at the time is dead. Just too weird. The night club story however sounds very plausible. And why won't Marianne Faithfull comment on it? She won't say a word. That in itself is suspect. God only knows what goes on in their world. We have no idea really.

BTW, him being found in a bathtub is enough of a sign being a means of reviving those who have had a drug overdose.
Posted by: An Apple Beatle, July 5, 2008, 8:36am; Reply: 50
No Doors, No INXS.
Posted by: Mr. Mustard, July 5, 2008, 11:16pm; Reply: 51
Quoted from An Apple Beatle
No Doors, No INXS.


I don't think the absence of INXS in the world would have been a huge loss.

Sorry Hutchence fans.
Posted by: Jane, July 6, 2008, 7:44pm; Reply: 52
Morrison`s heartattack seems to have been brought on by alcohol. He drank like no other man.
Posted by: pc31, July 6, 2008, 7:56pm; Reply: 53
and dropped acid like jimi......he drank like janice.......and weeded like marley.... ;D
Posted by: HeatherBoo, July 6, 2008, 9:50pm; Reply: 54
Quoted from pc31
and dropped acid like jimi......he drank like janice.......and weeded like marley.... ;D


Your just asking for it now!
Posted by: pc31, July 6, 2008, 10:53pm; Reply: 55
give till it hurts!!!!
Posted by: pc31, July 6, 2008, 10:57pm; Reply: 56
ok where as he was a great imagery poet he was a lousy human being....and i can assure you no american indian shaman posessed mr mojo that day long ago...
Posted by: An Apple Beatle, July 6, 2008, 11:21pm; Reply: 57
Quoted from Mr. Mustard


I don't think the absence of INXS in the world would have been a huge loss.

Sorry Hutchence fans.


I agree but Hutchence got it all from somewhere and he was pretty hot property himself whether you dig him or not....I actually thought Kick was not a bad album (Huge at the time) but I did'nt get into much else from them.
Posted by: Geoff, July 7, 2008, 1:08am; Reply: 58
Quoted from Sandra
I don't believe the heart attack story for a minute. Unless the heart attack was brought on by drugs. It's just way too suspicious.


I can't prove anything either, but the OD theory sounds more plausible to me than the heart attack story: he was only 27. But that's only a guess on my part, based on nothing.

Posted by: alexis, July 7, 2008, 1:27am; Reply: 59
Quoted from Geoff


I can't prove anything either, but the OD theory sounds more plausible to me than the heart attack story: he was only 27. But that's only a guess on my part, based on nothing.



Too many drugs ... Heart stops ... heart failure ... heart attack. It's all the same, whether from cholesterol-clogged arteries at 65 years old, or coronary artery spasm or narcotic myocardial suppression at 27. Drugs can kill, and they often do.


John Belushi, John Entwhistle, Brian Jones, Keith Moon (yes, alcohol is a drug!), Janis Joplin, Mama Cass, Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Keith Richard*, the list goes on. How much more great music would there have been ...   :'(

* Yes, folks, it's well known among the cognoscenti, he actually died long ago. His appearances now are entirely faked, like a high tech "Weekend at Bernie's" sort of thing.
Posted by: HeatherBoo, July 7, 2008, 1:39am; Reply: 60
Thanks for clearing that up for us! I was wondering how the hell Keith could still be going  ;D
Posted by: adamzero, July 7, 2008, 1:45am; Reply: 61
Keith is simply undead.
Posted by: alexis, July 7, 2008, 2:02am; Reply: 62
"Common, you know he's a hottie"!

http://www.mikemacleod.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/keith-richards-35000.jpg

http://www.perfectduluthday.com/http:/news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080304/en_afp/lifestylefashionmusic/Keith-Richards-Might-Do-Pirates-After-All-2.jpg

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://indieblogheaven.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/01/keith_richards_ny.jpg&imgrefurl=http://indieblogheaven.typepad.com/indieblogheaven/2008/05/list-the-uglies.html&h=675&w=450&sz=130&hl=en&start=229&um=1&tbnid=8W5dld0fuufKAM:&tbnh=138&tbnw=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgoogle%2Bimages%2Bkeith%2Brichard%26start%3D210%26ndsp%3D21%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-securid:IE-SearchBox%26sa%3DN


And here's some other "cute" musicians to give ol' Keith a run for the money!   http://www.gigwise.com/photos/42803/the-ugliest-people-in-music--part-2
Posted by: Geoff, July 7, 2008, 4:36am; Reply: 63
Quoted from alexis
Keith Richard*

* Yes, folks, it's well known among the cognoscenti, he actually died long ago. His appearances now are entirely faked, like a high tech "Weekend at Bernie's" sort of thing.


Keith is alive and well and possibly sustained by the blood of others:  ;D

http://archives.stupidquestion.net/sq62598blood.html



(wave2)
Posted by: Mr. Mustard, July 7, 2008, 5:07am; Reply: 64
Keith Moon didn't die from alcohol though.  He died from the antitode -- the prescription drug to keep him off booze, mixed with sleeping pills.  And Brian Jones drowned.  Although I'm sure he was on something when that happened.
Posted by: Joost, July 7, 2008, 8:50am; Reply: 65
Quoted from pc31
and dropped acid like jimi......he drank like janice.......and weeded like marley.... ;D


Apparently Jim Morrison didn't actually do that much drugs. He just drank a whole lot. By most accounts, the night before he died was one of the few times he did heroin.
Posted by: pc31, July 7, 2008, 9:54am; Reply: 66
he was mostly a drinker and smoked pot you are correct joost he was kind of sort of a health nut...even tho he often skipped meals...he was not a pill popper or coke user not lsd  but peyote was how he tripped.....but in the end he was getting fat....
Posted by: pc31, July 7, 2008, 9:54am; Reply: 67
Quoted from Mr. Mustard
Keith Moon didn't die from alcohol though.  He died from the antitode -- the prescription drug to keep him off booze, mixed with sleeping pills.  And Brian Jones drowned.  Although I'm sure he was on something when that happened.

brians death certificate says death by misadventure.....i still believe he was murdered....
Posted by: Joost, July 7, 2008, 10:00am; Reply: 68
Quoted from pc31
but in the end he was getting fat....


Actually that's not true either. He indeed got very heavy at one point (on purpose, because he didn't want to be a sex symbol), but he'd lost a lot of weight again before he died.

Another interesting fact about Jim Morrison: he was a chubby kid for almost his whole youth.
Posted by: Joost, July 7, 2008, 10:02am; Reply: 69
Quoted from pc31

brians death certificate says death by misadventure.....i still believe he was murdered....


Didn't some guy who was working on his house confess on his deathbed that he killed Brian Jones? Of course you can't be sure he was telling the truth... Some people would rather go down in history as a murderer than be forgotten...
Posted by: Sandra, July 10, 2008, 2:43am; Reply: 70


Posted by: Jane, July 10, 2008, 6:14pm; Reply: 71
When people drink a lot and don`t eat they get fat. Then when they suddenly stop drinking they get thin (because they didn`t eat) and the heart fails. According to your words that`s what Jim did before his heartattack.
Posted by: Joost, July 10, 2008, 6:33pm; Reply: 72
Quoted from Jane
When people drink a lot and don`t eat they get fat. Then when they suddenly stop drinking they get thin (because they didn`t eat) and the heart fails.


Where did you get that from? I've never heard of that before... I know there are a lot of calories in beer, but I doubt that you can get as fat as Jim was (at his heaviest) just from drinking if you don't eat... Especially because people who were close to him say that Jim got fat on purpose... He wanted to get rid of his sex symbol/rock star image because he wanted to be taken seriously as a poet, more than anything else... That's also why he got the beard...
Posted by: Sandra, July 10, 2008, 6:55pm; Reply: 73
Alcohol can make you put on a lot of weight. Look at Keith Moon! It's something to do with all the carbs, protein, and fat in your body not being burned up properly or something like that. I don't know about the not eating part. I suppose he was eating enough to get by anyway. But personally, I don't think Jim ever looked THAT fat and yeah, I've always read that it was in some part intentional. That's why he grew that horrible beard. Yet he somehow still looked beautiful! But I do think that gut was the result of all the beer and various other libations.
Posted by: Jane, July 10, 2008, 8:31pm; Reply: 74
He may have got the beard because he got fat. To conceal his second chin, some fatty guys do it to look better. Remember he suddenly shaved it off when he slimmed. Why did he do it? What about his caring for his image of a serious poet? No need for beard, he is himself again. This may have been the reason in fact.
Posted by: HeatherBoo, July 10, 2008, 11:53pm; Reply: 75
I for one will vouch that drinking beer makes you chubby.  I am living proof  ;D
Posted by: Jane, July 11, 2008, 1:52pm; Reply: 76
Quoted from HeatherBoo
I for one will vouch that drinking beer makes you chubby.  I am living proof  ;D


I like your humour very much!
Posted by: HeatherBoo, July 12, 2008, 12:17am; Reply: 77
;D thanks

I was only telling the truth, whenever I stop drinking beer I lose weight quick! And I don't even drink that much only a few on the weekends with friends.  But there is so many calories in just one beer and they are all empty calories... But it tastes sooooo good!!
Posted by: pc31, July 12, 2008, 4:08am; Reply: 78
Quoted from Joost


Didn't some guy who was working on his house confess on his deathbed that he killed Brian Jones? Of course you can't be sure he was telling the truth... Some people would rather go down in history as a murderer than be forgotten...

yeah he confessed to a few friends but died before it went further i think...there maybe a book....
Posted by: legthi, July 17, 2008, 11:20pm; Reply: 79
Quoted from pc31

there maybe a book....


you can guarrantie that. there's money to be made here - and in this case a film. check out 'stoned'...dodgy old frank.

btw, i think the doors were fucking great for most of the time, even when they winded down in the early 70's. I used to be obsessed, but now i just see them as a cool rock band.
Posted by: Oh Pineapple, July 17, 2008, 11:48pm; Reply: 80
"Peace Frog" is nice.
Posted by: Oh Pineapple, July 19, 2008, 5:21am; Reply: 81
The Doors are a pretty sweet Band.
I like them, and I lovveee Jim Morrison!
Posted by: iamheandwearealltogether, August 27, 2008, 3:17pm; Reply: 82
i like them! they have great songs
Posted by: JimmyMcCullochFan, August 28, 2008, 4:43am; Reply: 83


People Are Strange is my favorite song of any band at the moment.  :)
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