I've been having fun looking up The Beatles in the Liverpool Echo archive. I thought this was cute:
Beatles at the Hive of Jive Club (https://www.newspapers.com/article/liverpool-echo-beatles-hive-of-jive-club/159086404/)
This is the full listing of shows from that day, Saturday, November 11, 1961:
Jazz Column (https://www.newspapers.com/article/liverpool-echo-beatles-listings-in-jazz/159086270/)
Another good source of early Beatles history is: The Savage Young Beatles (https://beatlesource.com/savage/)
On that website, you'll have the opportunity to see The Shimmy Shimmy Queens on stage with The Beatles in 1961...
(https://beatlesource.com/savage/1961/61.08.19%20aintree%20institute/5.jpg)
(https://beatlesource.com/savage/1961/61.08.19%20aintree%20institute/9a.jpg)
...and lots of other stuff, like George inventing Keith Richards in November 1960...
(https://beatlesource.com/savage/1960/60.11.00%20astrid%20pics2/02.jpg)
:)
(https://www.khmertimeskh.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Berlin.jpg)
(https://beatlesource.com/savage/1960/60.08.18%20indra/1.jpg)
And then came the makeover...
(https://res.cloudinary.com/jerrick/image/upload/c_scale,q_auto/5eacfb60debee0001d318618.jpg)
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Quote from: Hello Goodbye on Nov 15, 2024, 04:48 PMAnother good source of early Beatles history is: The Savage Young Beatles (https://beatlesource.com/savage/)
Yes! That is an excellent site. I used to use that one a lot. But I use newspapers.com all the time for genealogy research and love the thrill of the hunt. lol I saw this comment on Facebook, referring to John:
"He used to stay in a flat with a load of beatniks in Gambier Terrace, Liverpool. Apparently the squalour got them featured in the Sunday papers."
I immediately thought it would be so cool to find that article, if it indeed it exists. The Liverpool Echo didn't show up the way I usually search but then I found it. I found out fast that he wasn't the only John Lennon in Liverpool! But he hunt is still on. 😊
Kelley, The Savage Young Beatles website has everything! It's not necessary to look for newspaper clippings.
The Beatles set fashion trends in 1960...
(https://beatlesource.com/savage/1960/60.09.xx%20bambi/01.jpg)
(https://beatlesource.com/savage/1960/60.09.xx%20bambi/05.jpg)
(https://beatlesource.com/savage/1960/60.09.xx%20bambi/06.jpg)
:)
Quote from: Hello Goodbye on Nov 16, 2024, 05:46 PMIt's not necessary to look for newspaper clippings.
But Barry, newspaper clippings are so much more fun! Especially actual, in-print clippings. You've never whiled away an hour or more in a newspaper morgue? 😉
(Guess I just gave myself away as a nerd.)
Yes there's nothing like trawling through old archived newspapers and seeing an article or picture about whatever you're interested in, in context.
I mean if it's next to a haemorrhoid cream advertisement that's probably a bit too much context. But you know what I mean.
Quote from: Normandie on Nov 17, 2024, 07:32 PMQuote from: Hello Goodbye on Nov 16, 2024, 05:46 PMIt's not necessary to look for newspaper clippings.
But Barry, newspaper clippings are so much more fun! Especially actual, in-print clippings. You've never whiled away an hour or more in a newspaper morgue? 😉
(Guess I just gave myself away as a nerd.)
Yes, Kathy, in eighth grade I wrote a term paper entitled The Impeachment and Trial of Andrew Johnson. I went to the main branch of the New York Public Library in Manhattan to do my research. At the time, they were photographing their New York Times archives for microfilm readers. They had microfilms for his impeachment but not of the trial. They led me down to the archives so I could see the 100 year old newspapers and I was able to complete my paper. They were a bit moldy but the room was well ventilated. It was fun leafing through those old newspapers to see what else was going on at the time.
But can you find those pictures I posted in clippings? I would say not. ;D
Quote from: Hello Goodbye on Nov 18, 2024, 12:50 AMThey led me down to the archives so I could see the 100 year old newspapers and I was able to complete my paper. They were a bit moldy but the room was well ventilated. It was fun leafing through those old newspapers to see what else was going on at the time.
That sounds like a nearly perfect afternoon to me.
Quote from: Hello Goodbye on Nov 18, 2024, 12:50 AMBut can you find those pictures I posted in clippings? I would say not. ;D
I concede the benefits of technology, but I'm still a stalwart member of the print-will-never-die club. I'm willing to die on this hill. 😉
Quote from: Normandie on Nov 18, 2024, 11:45 AMQuote from: Hello Goodbye on Nov 18, 2024, 12:50 AMThey led me down to the archives so I could see the 100 year old newspapers and I was able to complete my paper. They were a bit moldy but the room was well ventilated. It was fun leafing through those old newspapers to see what else was going on at the time.
That sounds like a nearly perfect afternoon to me.
Quote from: Hello Goodbye on Nov 18, 2024, 12:50 AMBut can you find those pictures I posted in clippings? I would say not. ;D
I concede the benefits of technology, but I'm still a stalwart member of the print-will-never-die club. I'm willing to die on this hill. 😉
The time I spent in the archives with those old New York Times newspapers was a lot of fun. Once my research was done, I had a good time reading other current events stories and advertisements. The microfilm reader wasn't nearly as much fun.
Unfortunately textbooks are becoming a thing of the past in medical schools today. It's the same thing with microscopes. Students are given a syllabus with the facts they need to know and all they have to do is regurgitate those facts on their exams.
When I was in school, I read my textbooks as if they were novels. I never underlined in them. I considered the entire manuscript important enough to thoroughly understand the subject matter.
Quote from: Hello Goodbye on Nov 18, 2024, 12:50 AMThe time I spent in the archives with those old New York Times newspapers was a lot of fun. Once my research was done, I had a good time reading other current events stories and advertisements. The microfilm reader wasn't nearly as much fun.
I knew you were just pulling my leg, Barry! I liked looking at the physical newspaper archive when I worked at the library. We had the microfilm digitized during the time that I was there. These days I look at our town's old papers that way. I'd be happy if I never have to deal with microfilm or those clunky machines again.
QuoteYes, Kathy, in eighth grade I wrote a term paper entitled The Impeachment and Trial of Andrew Johnson.
My first term paper was in ninth grade. (We were behind in the boonies.) My subject was Czar Nicholas II and his family. That's when I fell in love with the research process. My favorite paper was one I did during a summer term when I was in college. Our library was nice but they didn't have what I needed. I spent many happy hours at Penn State University's library reading Melody Maker magazine!
Quote from: Normandie on Nov 17, 2024, 07:32 PMBut Barry, newspaper clippings are so much more fun! Especially actual, in-print clippings. You've never whiled away an hour or more in a newspaper morgue? 😉
(Guess I just gave myself away as a nerd.)
It's always "more" anytime I get near old newspapers! The rabbit holes are more than I can resist.
Quote from: Moogmodule on Nov 17, 2024, 07:43 PMYes there's nothing like trawling through old archived newspapers and seeing an article or picture about whatever you're interested in, in context.
I mean if it's next to a haemorrhoid cream advertisement that's probably a bit too much context. But you know what I mean.
That wouldn't be my first choice for an ad either, but I do read a lot of them. They can be really amusing.
This conversation made me think of a newspaper I've been dying to see digitized. I discovered a 1st cousin 4x removed when I first got into genealogy. She was a writer, among other things, and her third husband was a newspaper owner and editor. She became his assistant editor. I've seen examples of their work and they were both strongly opinionated and a hoot to read. I've been watching a California newspaper archive and pondered writing to the library in the town where her husband lived. The other night I just made a plea to Google and there it was, right under my nose at newspapers.com! It's been there for four years!
Quote from: In My Life on Nov 15, 2024, 06:37 PMYes! That is an excellent site. I used to use that one a lot. But I use newspapers.com all the time for genealogy research and love the thrill of the hunt. lol I saw this comment on Facebook, referring to John:
"He used to stay in a flat with a load of beatniks in Gambier Terrace, Liverpool. Apparently the squalour got them featured in the Sunday papers."
You need to check out the newspaper The People from Sunday August 7 1960 and look at this photo :
https://beatles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Beatnik_Horror?file=The_Beatnik_Horror.jpg
Quote from: zipp on Nov 20, 2024, 03:26 AMYou need to check out the newspaper The People from Sunday August 7 1960 and look at this photo :
https://beatles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Beatnik_Horror?file=The_Beatnik_Horror.jpg
Thanks, zipp. I read all three installments of the article entitled The Beatnik Horror but the photo wasn't included. There's a lot of conflicting stories about this picture on the internet and another that looks like it was taken the same day. Still, I'm glad that I read the article. I'm not sure how factual it was, but it was interesting to see what the public wanted to read about the Beat Movement. It was made to sound like one big crime spree!
Quote from: In My Life on Nov 22, 2024, 11:21 PMThanks, zipp. I read all three installments of the article entitled The Beatnik Horror but the photo wasn't included. There's a lot of conflicting stories about this picture on the internet and another that looks like it was taken the same day. Still, I'm glad that I read the article. I'm not sure how factual it was, but it was interesting to see what the public wanted to read about the Beat Movement. It was made to sound like one big crime spree!
The Sunday People goes for sensational stories that the British can read on a Sunday morning when not much is happening. It's a tabloid newspaper and some would call it the gutter press.
In the fifties the bad boys were the Teddy Boys who were renowned for their snappy dressing, listening to rock and roll, and violence.The beatniks then arrived on the scene. They were more renowned for being lazy and immoral and listening to jazz. Both groups were perfect targets for this newspaper.
The photos of Gambier Terrace are genuine. The only real question is whether or not John Lennon is in the photos. Generally it's thought not.