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Re: Free As A Bird vs. Real Love
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2006, 11:59:02 AM »

Free As A Bird ... tho Real Love seems to fit better with their 60s stuff
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Re: Free As A Bird vs. Real Love
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2006, 10:54:55 AM »

I have to say FAAB myself. I just love the chord changes in that song, they seem to fit really well.
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Re: Free As A Bird vs. Real Love
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2006, 10:15:22 AM »

Real Love sounds more Beatles than Free As A Bird. FAAB (funny that that says fab!!, never noticed that before) sounds too much like ELO. I'd love to have known how this song would have developed had Lennon been around to contribute more.

Reel Love gets the vote.
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Re: Free As A Bird vs. Real Love
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2007, 10:16:20 PM »

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Real Love sounds more Beatles than Free As A Bird. FAAB (funny that that says fab!!, never noticed that before) [...]

One friend recently reminded me of this! 8)
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Re: Free As A Bird vs. Real Love
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2007, 07:35:30 PM »

Free As A Bird for me...the same lennon/macca effect as on Two of Us i.e. "Whatever Happened too..." & "You & I have memories" I thought it was much more Beatles whereas Real Love feels like a Lennon solo piece.
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Re: Free As A Bird vs. Real Love
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2007, 09:10:59 PM »

Interesting reading (and the following pages too):
http://www.vex.net/~paulmac/beatles/rs/19940200.html
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Re: Free As A Bird vs. Real Love
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2007, 11:55:27 PM »

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Interesting reading (and the following pages too):
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Here's Paul, during a long interview (Club sandwich, No 76, Winter 1995)
[some of what he said -in detail- was new to me]:

"Was doing Tree As A Bird' cathartic?
'Free As A Bird' was good to do, yes. It was the nearest I was ever going to get to writing with John again. A lot of pundits have got the wrong idea, they think it's just the three of us, I don't know where they've been for the last year, but they appear to think it's just three of us on it. I went off the idea of the three of us together, it seemed like we needed John and the more we thought of that the more exciting it became.

Didn't that frighten you, though, didn't that perturb you?
No, not really. The only thing I had to do was to get this scenario, that I've talked about in a number of places, of "How would we deal with this? Would it be the sacred memory of our dear friend who's virtually become a martyr?" or would it just be "Our mate John". And to make it "Our mate John" we got this scenario going of "He's asked us to finish a tape". And the key words for me were, I imagined him saying, "I trust you. Just do your thing, I trust you." And the trust was what I needed to know. So I made up a fiction and believed it and it was fine. I went in there - I think we all did - fully believing that this is something John would have wanted us to do.

But that's on one level, that's about working with John. What about putting out the first Beatles single in 25 years. Didn't that perturb you?
I swear to God, the backwards stuff says, "Made by John Lennon". None of us had heard it when we compiled it ... we could not in a million years have known what that phrase would be backwards. It's impossible. So there is real magic going on.

Nah. It never really perturbed us to put any Beatles stuff out, and it still doesn't. It's the Beatles. And, to me, when I work with the Beatles it's very special. When I work with George Martin again it's very special. The whole thing becomes bathed in a special light. I've think you've found this, you two guys: working on this project is a little more special than most of the stuff we work on. It has its own magic. The Beatles is the Beatles.

By the way, have you heard: it really is true, the Beatles are magic! It's official: on the end of 'Free As A Bird', just for a joke - in case people were thinking, "God, they really mean it, this is so serious, this isn't like all their other records, this is serious homage" - we re-entered with the drums, then George did his George Formby stuff on the ukulele and then, to even take it one stage further, we put in something backwards. We got the guys at the film production office to find a clip of John talking - we gave them a certain phrase to look for, which I'm not giving away - and then we put it in backwards, just as little joke, a bit of fun that ties in with the ending. Anyway, the incredible thing is, the other day Eddie [Klein, Paul's studio manager] was working on the tape and he said, "Paul, listen to this" and he played it to me and, I swear to God, the backwards stuff says, "Made by John Lennon". None of us had heard it when we compiled it, but when I spoke to the others and said "You'll never guess..." they said, "We know, we've just heard it too". They'd heard it, independently. And I swear to God, he definitely says it! We could not in a million years have known "what that phrase would be backwards. It's impossible. So there is real magic going on. Hare Krishna!

Tell us about the 'Free As A Bird' sessions.
We agreed to do it at my studio because this is really the only studio that was up and running. I'd been working here regularly so it was all cleaned and ready to go and in full working order. Also, because my studio is slightly off the beaten track - off the Beatle track! - it meant that we'd have privacy. And the press were doing a lot of talk at the time - "It'll be in Abbey Road" - and we figured they'd be watching places like that. So this became the perfect place to do it and we were very lucky both the times we did it: we didn't have anybody notice that the guys were here, and I accommodated them all locally so the word didn't get out too much.

So they came down here and we just started listening to the cassette, which, as you know, was just a mono cassette with John's voice and his piano locked in. Anyone who knows anything about recording knows that, for a mix, you try to isolate the voice and the piano on separate tracks to give yourself a bit of control. But we had a fixed tape. First of all, George and I tried to put some acoustics on, and play along with it as it stood, because we wanted to be as faithful as possible to the original. But because he was doing a demo John went out of time a bit. Unless you're working to a click track you don't concentrate on tempo when you're doing demos. And because he was trying to find the song on the demo the middle-eights weren't filled out, lyrically. His vocal quality was nice and he'd put a funny phasing effect on, which there was no getting rid of, but it was a nice effect actually, very Sixties, very evocative. I think it's one of the things that gives the record a nostalgic feel. But eventually, because George and I had to keep looking at each other and giving signs through our eyes, like "he slows down here, he speeds up here", it became difficult. It became quite annoying to try and keep up with the speed changes.

So it was decided that we had to take another approach. We had to isolate John's voice as best we could and then lay it back in on the tape to a click track that would not be heard on the record but would be strict tempo. Jeff Lynne and the engineers did that. (Even though he's credited as co-producer Jeff was the producer, in effect, of 'Free As A Bird' and 'Real Love'.) Once that had been done we were able to play with it because John was now perfectly in time and there were just little gaps where he'd sped up or gone out a bit.
After that we did acoustic guitars and I learned John's piano part. I'd been studying it a little bit the week before we did the session, and Jeff Lynne had studied it very hard and showed me one or two interesting little variations that John had put in there, that I hadn't picked up. Then I played it - John and I had very similar piano styles because we learned together - which meant that we now had a voice and a piano separate and could get control over them.

Then I put the bass on, which I kept very, very simple: I didn't want to do any of my trademark swoops or get it too melodic, I just wanted to anchor the piece. I did one or two little tricks but they're very subtle, like I used my five-string bass, which has got a very low string on it, and saved the low string till the tune does a big key change in the solo, and it really lifts off there. So instead of doing the same bass note I went right down to my second lowest note on the instrument.

Then Ringo did some great drumming on it, and Jeff Lynne - being very, very precise - made sure that every single snare was exactly correct and he and the engineer Geoff Emerick got a really great sound. And then George and I did harmonies, -which was finally when Ringo was chortling with glee in the control room saying, "It sounds like a Beatle record!". It finally did, really, sound like a Beatle record, and we were becoming more and more convinced that we were doing the right thing.

Then George started to work on his guitar parts, and he did a secondary guitar part, between a lead and a rhythm, sort of arpeggio rhythm you'd have to call it. He came up with some nice little phrases there which are very subtle on the record: I tend to hear them about the third time through. And then finally he came up with his slide guitar. I told Jeff Lynne that I was slightly worried about this because I thought it might get to sound a little bit like 'My Sweet Lord' or one of George's signature things. I felt that the song shouldn't be pulled in any way, it should stay very Beatles, it shouldn't get to sound like me solo or George solo, or Ringo for that matter. It should sound like a Beatles song. So the suggestion was made that George might play a very simple bluesy lick rather than get too melodic. And he did: what he played was almost like a Muddy Waters riff. And that really sealed the project. I thought - I still think - that George played an absolute blinder, because it's difficult to play something very simple, you're so exposed. But it was fantastic and Jeff Lynne and Geoff Emerick got a great sound on him.

And so that was it. We did the end bit, put little extra vocal things on that, and then the ukuleles, which was a tip of the hat to George Formby, whom George [Harrison] is particularly enamoured of. And I like George Formby a lot too, he's a great British tradition - and John's mum, Julia, used to play the ukulele so I suppose there was a point of contact there too. And then we got the phrase of John's to turn backwards, laid it into the mix and thought, "That's it, it really sounds like a Beatles record." I'd said to Yoko and Sean that if they didn't like it we wouldn't put it out, but it was great, it all worked.

Many people had said that you shouldn't do it. Did this affect you?
Before the first session there were a couple of pieces in the newspaper that I noticed. Both of them said, "They shouldn't do it" - I think, to give them the benefit of the doubt, on the understanding that there was only going to be three of us. We had the newspapers in the studio when the three of us got together, and they got us fired up, they got me fired up anyway, I don't know about the others. I thought, "Right! We'll show you! How dare you say what we should do. If you'd have been there when we did 'A Day In The Life' would you have said 'They shouldn't do a funny orchestra bit in the middle', or would you have said 'They shouldn't do a song like "Why Don't We Do It In The Road'" because it's not of enough consequence for the Beatles?'" It annoyed me when my Dad told me what to do, so when a pundit I've never met tells me what to do that is really quite annoying.

There's been a bit of that reappearing now - "Why are they doing it?" "Oh, I hate these songs with dead guys" and so on. My answer to that is "Look, do you think we're stupid enough not to have checked all these angles out, that you, as some casual pundit, throw out? You don't think that we, as the professionals who are engaged in this, check that out a hundred times more than you ever would?" Because we did, we checked it out amongst ourselves, we made sure that we were happy to do it. We checked it out with Yoko, or else we couldn't have had the cassette. We checked it out with Sean, who said, "It's going to be a little spooky hearing a dead guy on lead vocal" and I said to him, "So you mean we shouldn't do it?" and he said, "No, no, you should try it." We checked it out on every conceivable level.

We told ourselves that we'd try it but that if it was no good we wouldn't release it, it will have just been a project that sucked, end of story. If, however, it works, it will have been worth it.

I'm really very glad we did it, for a million reasons. For my own personal satisfaction I think it's a damn good track, I'm really very proud of it and I'm proud of the emotion that's on it, because I need something like that with John. I think it's been good for all of us, and I think it's good for Sean - it was important to me that he liked it.

Did the sessions for 'Free As A Bird' and "Real Love' go entirely without a hitch?
No, not really. The biggest hitch for me was when we came to the middle-eight of 'Free As A Bird', which John had blocked out. He had a little germ of an idea but hadn't finished it, so we decided that we would have to write some lyrics of our own.

What happened was: Ringo, having done all his stuff, left me and George to it, and Ringo is a very good balance, he's a very good pivot for us. When he's there the atmosphere is more complete. But it was fine, you sometimes need a little tension. Anyway, I brought in some words that I thought might do the trick but when I went and sang them I was having a little trouble and didn't think they were that good. And so, rightly enough, George and Jeff Lynne said this and then George started hacking them to pieces. I must admit, as a pride thing, that got a little difficult. I had to live with it, though, and I say now that he was absolutely right to do it and I'm glad he did it, but whilst it was going on it was a little bit hairy. It was like: here's George savaging my lyrics, am I happy about this? And I had to keep saying, "Yeah, sure, sure, he's right, he's right, he's right", and he was.

Certain people have not yet been given credit for the work they did on the new Beatles recordings. Here in Club Sandwich we would like to rectify this.

The main producer on 'Free As A Bird' was Jeff Lynne. The song was engineered by Geoff Emerick and Jon Jacobs (whose name was unfortunately missed off the album credits). Special thanks should also go to Studio Manager Eddie Klein, and Personal Assistants John Hammel and Keith Smith. We are also grateful to Patrick Moore, Louise Morris, Marie Moore, Pat Greenough and Sherrie Ennis for their contribution, and to our security man for the week, Mark Hamilton, and we would like to take this opportunity to thank the non-MPL people involved in the project - in particular, Bill Harrison (Ringo's drum roadie), Alan Rogan (George's guitar roadie) and Phil Hatton (who works for Jeff Lynne).

These credits also apply to 'Real Love' with an additional mention for Jamie Kirkham in place of Patrick Moore, and for the computer programmer Marc Mann.

We would like to thank all the above, and the staff of MPL in London, for the wonderful work they put in on the project.

Are you happy with the Anthology albums?
Yes. What's happened in putting together the albums is that we've tried this and that and eventually distilled it down to what we feel works about the best. And the great thing for me is, because we've all approved it, it then becomes it. And I'm always happy at that point. I've never had a Beatles record and said, "Oh, I wish we'd done that". There might have been a track of mine where I've thought, "Oh, I wish I could have sung that a bit better" but it doesn't matter, it's now fixed in cement, it's it. I never had any regrets, and it's the same with this project.  

In Volume One there are a few songs that I would have preferred not being there, like 'Besame Mucho' which portrays me as a cabaret artist, whereas in my soul I am a rock and roller - although of course I have done 'Till There Was You', 'Yesterday', 'A Taste Of Honey' and all these other things. But because the others wanted it in, because George Martin wanted it in, because everyone else was happy with it, I could put down my slight reservation and say, "Cool. If you guys like it then it's got to be alright". And it's a very nice feeling to be on a team like that. The minute a thing is done and it's the Beatles, I'm happy with it, because we go through so much to get it finished that I'm always convinced. I always have been and I am on this occasion.

We've all been in there, we've all said our bit, George Martin has tried his best with difficult material and I think he's put together a very exciting story. People will have differences of opinion about what should have been included - like, should there have been as much of the Morecambe and Wise piece? Will that mean a lot to the Americans? But what was decided was, it shows the humour of the Beatles, it shows the kind of work we were doing at the time and it shows something about our personalities, so it's valid.

Is there something we could learn from the Beatles' story?
No, I don't think so! [Laughs.] I wish we'd learned something from it! No, I'm joking. I don't think it's that significant, really. It's just good that our hearts were in the right place, that we nearly always talked about love and peace as a main subject, not anger.

I often say that we weren't leaders, we were more spokesmen, but looking back on it, in the Anthology, you can see why we were taken as the leaders. I don't really claim any significance, I don't think any of us set out to give the world a message, but we did. I leave it at that, really.

The thing for me about the Anthology is, it's my life story. It's the Beatles story but because I was one of them it's my life story, and because it goes back as far as it can go it's like having my life rolled out in front of me, the whole thing. And it came as a shock, I must say. I knew what we were doing, I knew we were writing our memoirs, as it were, but to see it, it's overwhelming for me. I get to see my Dad again, he's been dead a number of years, I get to see my Mum again, I get to remember what she did again... not that I've forgotten, but it's there, all laid out in front of me again. It's like what they say about when you're drowning: your life flashes in front of you!

So, you know, it's exciting, it's shocking, it's frightening, it's sad, it's happy, and it's the Beatles story.

But is it the last word?
I don't know. That's the difficult thing. In the electronic press kit we all enigmatically said, "Where does the circle end and where does it begin? An end is a beginning, of sorts". But to me, for now, it's an end."


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Re: Free As A Bird vs. Real Love
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2007, 11:22:36 PM »

Free as a bird for me. I love the video
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Re: Free As A Bird vs. Real Love
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2007, 10:26:55 AM »

I voted "Real Love". And it's not because I don't like FAaB, I really love the song. But if I have to explain, I'd say that I see the Beatles roughly like : a child that's lovely, innocent, cute, full of energy, violent sometimes - their early years (and talented, of course). Then the child grows up, starts working over himself, searching for the answers, the meaning of life etc. (psychadellic years). But his inner self is still that colourful, warm, bright light that enchants everyone around. So I really like songs like I'm the Walrus, as well as Strawberry Fields and Revolution 9, if you like, I like the grown up boys because I love the child in them. I am impressed by their later work as it reflects my own way through life. So FAaB sounds more like this period to me. And RL sounds (and looks) like the years when everything was started and was still easy, full of love, love, love. Not naive, no, but warm and colourful, forgive me the repetition. And I like the optimistic nostalgy in the video - all of them together.
OK, maybe I'm sentimental, but I like RL with my heart and soul and FEaB with my heart and brain.
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Re: Free As A Bird vs. Real Love
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2007, 05:51:26 AM »

I vote for FAAB. I love the music and the lyrics seem as though Lennon wrote it about the Beatles when they were breaking apart... It's so emotional (for me anyway)
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« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2007, 06:14:20 PM »

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I vote for FAAB. I love the music and the lyrics seem as though Lennon wrote it about the Beatles when they were breaking apart... It's so emotional (for me anyway)
And the guitar parts fit sooo well too! ... and the final structure and arrangements are very close to some of their studio-years works ...
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Re: Free As A Bird vs. Real Love
« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2007, 05:51:32 PM »

Free As a Bird
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Re: Free As A Bird vs. Real Love
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2007, 09:06:11 AM »

Free as a Bird.

Real Love sounds like a slight solo John song.

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Re: Free As A Bird vs. Real Love
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2007, 02:35:08 PM »

I like them both, but right now I like Real Love a little more.
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Re: Free As A Bird vs. Real Love
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2007, 03:34:26 PM »

I liked Real Love more, i was never into that Free as a Bird with John
sounding like he was singing in a toliet.  ;D Real Love sounded more
realistic & like they were all singing together. :)
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Re: Free As A Bird vs. Real Love
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2007, 02:53:22 PM »

Free As A Bird gets my vote , i don't like Real Love .

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« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2007, 06:50:56 PM »

Anyone heard these? They are from that bootleg, I believe...

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Re: Free As A Bird vs. Real Love
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2007, 10:09:42 PM »

Ermmmm....very difficult....but I think Free As A Bird was a bit better. Just a bit. I really like the Regina Spektor cover of Real Love, actually.
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Re: Free As A Bird vs. Real Love
« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2007, 12:55:59 AM »

real love its so chilling in the intro that piano part just sounds so sad and also georges guitar part all through the song that alone makes it better in my opinion
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Re: Free As A Bird vs. Real Love
« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2007, 09:28:30 AM »

Wow, Real Love is ahead in the poll. I also went with it, although most people I know always said FAAB was much better. I also like George's guitar playing on Real Love, it just sounds beautiful with that signature sound of George.
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