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Other forums => Current Affairs => Topic started by: Tamara on February 25, 2022, 10:31:29 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pOLc5QLYTs# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pOLc5QLYTs#)
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Shouldn't this thread be called The War Against The Ukraine? The Ukraine is not the aggressor in this matter.
Perhaps this thread belongs in the Current Affairs topic. Would you like me to move it there?
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Shouldn't this thread be called The War Against The Ukraine? The Ukraine is not the aggressor in this matter.
Perhaps this thread belongs in the Current Affairs topic. Would you like me to move it there?
Yes.
And at the same time tell Russia to get the f*** out of Ukraine.
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Yes.
And at the same time tell Russia to get the f*** out of Ukraine.
I'm with Zipp ;D
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5.700 Russians mothers are crying. And counting.
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The way Russian soldiers fight: hitting a car with an old lady.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVUQNDmKbS0# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVUQNDmKbS0#)
The once so proud Red Army have become a bunch of cowards.
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The way Russian soldiers fight: hitting a car with an old lady.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVUQNDmKbS0#[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVUQNDmKbS0#[/url])
The once so proud Red Army have become a bunch of cowards.
Tamara, this video is four or more days old. How did you know it is Russians? Russians at that time wasn't even near Kiev. Even now Russians didn't enter the city.
We should now filter the news, because information war is much bigger than war on fields. Russia is losing information war, because it fights agains Europe and America media monsters. I justify no one, just wanna truth.
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How do you know it is not a Russian tank?
The truth is the first victim of a war. It's funny you mention the word 'truth' after being a Donald Trump-supporter in the last few years.
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So it's ok, if `De Telegraaf' said it was a Russian tank, and you do believe it.
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So it's ok, if `De Telegraaf' said it was a Russian tank, and you do believe it.
That is not what I am saying.
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That is not what I am saying.
Then why you posted the video? Just wonder what did you want to say ???
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vSPxWp-7SU# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vSPxWp-7SU#)
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What is true and what is not?
I prefer the Belgium reports over the Russian if you don't mind. They tell me most Russians haven't got a clue what is going on in Ukraine. They believe there is a small military peace mission going on. They don't know that almost 7000 Russian soldiers are killed by now. They don't know Russians are bombing Ukranian cities (with Russians speaking people too) and other civilian goals. They don't know that last night Russians soldiers attacked the nucleair power plant in Zaporizje, trying to create another Tsjernobyl. What if the wind comes from the southwest and a nucleair cloud blows into Russia? Is the west getting the blame for that too? The reporters tell us that children in Russian schools are being shown propaganda on the greatness of the Russia and that NATO is a danger and the NATO-countries are full of evil people. The reporters tell us that Putin has told the Russians he wants to bring down the Ukranian government because they are nazi's and drug addicts. The reporters tell us that people in Moscow don't know why IKEA is closing down in Russia and Belarus, with over 14.000 people losing their jobs. These people are worried about paying their mortgage, they obviously don't care about thousands of people being killed a couple of hundreds of kilometers south. Most of the Russians are too afraid to stand up against their leader. Imprisoned Russian soldiers tell before the camera they haven't got a clue why they are in the Ukraine in the first place. Boys of only 19 and 20 years old.
And now you ask me how do I know this is a Russian tank? I do not know and I don't know if this was in Kiev or not.
The truth is the first victim of any war (not just a small peace mission). We all don't look much further than the first hand information. But still, I'd rather listen to our Belgian reporters than to Russian reporters if you don't mind.
And please forgive me my anger towards Russian soldiers. That is a personal issue.
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Thanks, Tamara, for letting me know what Belgian media are telling people!
Though, during my life I have lost confidence in our government, I also don't believe governments of other countries. I don't believe half what Belgian reporters broadcast.
I could go through all the points you wrote, but, forgive me, I will not. Just because I have no energy for it, and also I think it will change nothing.
One note about a power plant. Who benefits from spreading rumors that Russians trying to create another Tsjernobyl? Cui bono? Puting wants a nucleair cloud blows into Russia? What a absurd?
I try to be as much objective as possible, reading media from all over the World (European, American, Asian), and even in the media of any taken separately country there are several points views. I also have access to many sources from within Ukraine, videos, reports, familiar Ukrainians and Russians. For example, I read Ukrainians in Odessa and Kharkov, panicking, swearing and cursing Russians, I read people in Donetsk and Kharkov who curse Ukrainians. Lots of people are posting videos. I read military reports and see all the movements and actions of the Russian army, including in Zaporozhye and Mariupol. From the Ukrainian side, unfortunately, I do not see many reports, only see Zelensky shouting about the nuclear power plant and threatening Europe with it, saying that Putin wants to blow it up. What a mess! God, give me the strength not to go crazy.
And Jesus said: For judgment I am come into this world: that they who see not may see; and they who see may become blind (John 9:39)
An example of the other side of issue https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/t4b9s4/ukrainian_woman_goes_off_script_in_french_tv/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/t4b9s4/ukrainian_woman_goes_off_script_in_french_tv/)
And what is this? https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1253897.shtml (https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1253897.shtml) The Fédération Internationale Féline, an NGO of cat registries founded in Belgium, announced on Tuesday a ban on Russian-bred cats from its shows, and cat owners who live in Russia are also banned from the organization ???
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If61baWF4GE# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If61baWF4GE#)
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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If61baWF4GE#[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If61baWF4GE#[/url])
Thanks for the video Dmitry.
Do you you think Russia will be content to control half of Ukraine (up to the Dnieper river) thus ensuring they can supply water to Crimea and exploit off-shore gas in the Black Sea?
Or do you think Russia wil insist on controlling all of Ukraine? In which case a long drawn-out conflict is pretty sure to occur with Lviv becoming a stronghold and a temporary capital city.
Western countries will be able to supply arms to western Ukraine from Romania and Poland for a long time to come.
I've also heard that because of this Ukraine war, Finland is now considering joining NATO. So the end result may be more and stronger NATO partners on Russia's border.
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Hi Dmitry
I dont know what to believe and what not to believe.
Is there any truth in this ? I know the Daily Mail is a rubbish newspaper.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10579133/Ukraine-invasion-Russia-blocks-access-Facebook-146-million-citizens.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10579133/Ukraine-invasion-Russia-blocks-access-Facebook-146-million-citizens.html)
Putin blocks Facebook access in Russia and is planning to ban TikTok - as he threatens 15 years in PRISON for anyone straying from the state narrative
Russia has blocked access to Facebook for its 146 million citizens amid its invasion of Ukraine, a state regulator said
The country is also preparing to ban TikTok, according to a Kremlin source
The country's communications watchdog, Roskomnadzor, said Facebook was blocked during the war due to 'cases of discrimination against Russian media'
It comes a week after Russia limited access to the platform after it refused to stop fact-checking and labeling content from state-owned organizations
Nick Clegg, vice president of global affairs at Facebook's parent company Meta, said Russians have been 'silenced from speaking out'
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Thanks for the video Dmitry.
Do you you think Russia will be content to control half of Ukraine (up to the Dnieper river) thus ensuring they can supply water to Crimea and exploit off-shore gas in the Black Sea?
Or do you think Russia will insist on controlling all of Ukraine? In which case a long drawn-out conflict is pretty sure to occur with Lviv becoming a stronghold and a temporary capital city.
Western countries will be able to supply arms to western Ukraine from Romania and Poland for a long time to come.
This video reminded the true cause of the war - resources.
Putin said he wants demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine. I think he need full control over whole Ukraine. But I can think whatever you think, I'm not expert. Nobody here could image that Putin attack Ukraine.
I've also heard that because of this Ukraine war, Finland is now considering joining NATO. So the end result may be more and stronger NATO partners on Russia's border.
I just thought that due to this war, Russia and China will become more powerful.
Hi Dmitry
I dont know what to believe and what not to believe.
Is there any truth in this ? I know the Daily Mail is a rubbish newspaper.
[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10579133/Ukraine-invasion-Russia-blocks-access-Facebook-146-million-citizens.html[/url] ([url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10579133/Ukraine-invasion-Russia-blocks-access-Facebook-146-million-citizens.html[/url])
Putin blocks Facebook access in Russia and is planning to ban TikTok - as he threatens 15 years in PRISON for anyone straying from the state narrative
Russia has blocked access to Facebook for its 146 million citizens amid its invasion of Ukraine, a state regulator said
The country is also preparing to ban TikTok, according to a Kremlin source
The country's communications watchdog, Roskomnadzor, said Facebook was blocked during the war due to 'cases of discrimination against Russian media'
It comes a week after Russia limited access to the platform after it refused to stop fact-checking and labeling content from state-owned organizations
Nick Clegg, vice president of global affairs at Facebook's parent company Meta, said Russians have been 'silenced from speaking out'
In fact, yes, it is true. Facebook is blocked now. Since today's midnight. In recent years, I rarely use Facebook, but if I or whoever will need Facebook we have VPN ;)
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This may be of some help to our Russian friends wanting to follow the war:
How to get around the BBC block in Russia
The Russian authorities have restricted access to BBC websites in Russian and English, as well as other international and independent media, accusing them of circulating "false information" about what is happening in Ukraine.
In response, the BBC said "access to accurate, independent information is a fundamental human right which should not be denied to the people of Russia, millions of whom rely on BBC News every week".
Record numbers of people have read the BBC's Russian language news website since the invasion.
To get around the BBC ban in Russia:
download the Psiphon app from the AppStore or Google Play Store
look for the dedicated BBC site on the Tor Browser
which can be found using this URL
. Note that this URL only works using the Tor Browser or the Onion Browser (on iPhones)
if access to the apps is restricted then send a blank email to get@psiphon3.com or gettor@torproject.org. An email will be sent in response with a direct and safe download link
The BBC has also launched two new shortwave frequencies broadcasting World Service English news for four hours a day to Ukraine and parts of Russia:
15735 kHz from 14:00 GMT to 16:00 GMT
5875 kHz from 20:00 GMT to 22:00 GMT
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(https://i.postimg.cc/gczZh3KZ/Empire-State-Building-Ukraine.jpg)
The Empire State Building is lit up yellow and blue to show our support of Ukraine.
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Very beautiful!
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Today is the day when russians are biding Instagram adieu... Me too, I have so many memories and pictures in Instagram. Burn in hell, Mr. Putin "Ruining lives".
More that 40 millions new registrations in Telegram today.
Also I'm glad that this forum is a free place where one can send a dictator to hell
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I'm glad you posted, Dmitry; I've been worried about you and your family.
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Yes, nice to hear from you Dmitry.
Putin is now killing innocent children. He's bombing supermarkets and hospitals.
And he's just killed an American journalist.
Putin must and will be stopped, above all for lying to the good Russian people.
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/3/13/c98be10c-49e8-49ac-a5b5-4d16fb41e2a3.jpg)
Time Magazine has paid tribute to the American journalist and filmmaker Brent Renaud, who was killed earlier by gunfire in the Ukrainian town of Irpin.
Earlier on Sunday US National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan accused Russia of "targeting journalists" and said the US would impose "appropriate consequences".
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I'm not sure whether russians or ukrainians killed Brent Renaud, - it doesn't metter - I'm sure Putin is responsible for his death. He started the war, he could not solve the problem peacefully.
By the way, in Russia it is prohibited to call this war `war' . We have to call it `special operation'. Otherwise - jail.
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By the way, in Russia it is prohibited to call this war `war' . We have to call it `special operation'. Otherwise - jail.
Yes, this is common nowadays. Though sending people to prison is extreme.
When Argentina seized the Falkland Islands in 1982 they didn't declare war on the UK.
The UK the sent a 'task force' to take back the islands. The UK did not declare war on Argentina.
So, the Falkland War never officially existed !
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...Political games.
By the way, talking about Russia vs. Ukraine.
In Mariupol and Donetsk there is are fights between armies of Putin and Rinat Akhmetov.
Billionaire Akhmetov have huge Azovstalʹ in Mariupol and Avdeyevskiy Coke Plant near Donetsk, and military battalions which guard them.
Russians are trying to capture them. Right after Russian invasion Akhmetov assured the residents of Mariupol to stay in the city, and that everything would be all right.
Now residents of Mariupol is a human shield.
Back in 2014 Putin could capture Mariupol, but Akhmetov visited Moscow, and it seems they made a deal. This time they couldn't agree.
Akhmetov became very powerful after 90s, but there were times, when he was an ordinary guy and spent time with friends, drink vodka with my wife's first husband Igor roll:)
Now Akhmetov is a billionaire businessman, and Igor and ordinary worker in Ministry of Emergency Situations in Donetsk.
These days Akhmetov is bombing Donetsk, and Igor helps to eliminate the consequences. God works in mysterious ways!
In the morning Ukrainian OTR-21 Tochka in Pokrovsk fired a missile in center of Donetsk. Many civilian casualties :'(
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Squatters occupy Russian oligarch's villa
A group of squatters broke into a central London villa believed to be owned by Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska. The oligarch is on the British sanctions list because of his ties to the Kremlin. The squatters have hung up a Ukrainian flag and put up banners. It reads "This building has been liberated", a nod to the "liberation" of Ukraine, as the Russian army calls the war in Ukraine. Oleg Deripaska became very wealthy with the aluminum trade.
London Mayor Khan has proposed hosting Ukrainian refugees in the apartments and homes of Russian oligarchs in London. "Most houses are empty anyway," he said.
London is sometimes called Londongrad, because many oligarchs live in the city.
A villa has also been squatted in the French seaside resort of Biarritz. According to The Guardian, the house is owned by a former son-in-law of President Putin, billionaire Kirill Shamalov. The squatters have hung a Ukrainian flag and say they will open the building to receive Ukrainian refugees.
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The era of Russian money in London is over. I can't imagine why Russian oligarchs let Putin begin war ???
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Thanks for your interesting post Dmitry.
Here's Rinat Akhmetov's villa in the South of France.
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Today on Russian TV. Russians, if informed, would no doubt be against the war.
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...Political games.
By the way, talking about Russia vs. Ukraine.
In Mariupol and Donetsk there is are fights between armies of Putin and Rinat Akhmetov.
Billionaire Akhmetov have huge Azovstalʹ in Mariupol and Avdeyevskiy Coke Plant near Donetsk, and military battalions which guard them.
Russians are trying to capture them. Right after Russian invasion Akhmetov assured the residents of Mariupol to stay in the city, and that everything would be all right.
Now residents of Mariupol is a human shield.
Back in 2014 Putin could capture Mariupol, but Akhmetov visited Moscow, and it seems they made a deal. This time they couldn't agree.
Akhmetov became very powerful after 90s, but there were times, when he was an ordinary guy and spent time with friends, drink vodka with my wife's first husband Igor roll:)
Now Akhmetov is a billionaire businessman, and Igor and ordinary worker in Ministry of Emergency Situations in Donetsk.
These days Akhmetov is bombing Donetsk, and Igor helps to eliminate the consequences. God works in mysterious ways!
In the morning Ukrainian OTR-21 Tochka in Pokrovsk fired a missile in center of Donetsk. Many civilian casualties :'(
Interview with Rinat Akhmetov
https://www.forbes.com/sites/luisakroll/2022/03/10/ukraines-richest-man-rinat-akhmetov-says-hes-doing-everything-he-can-to-help-his-country/?sh=5b81306a6841 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/luisakroll/2022/03/10/ukraines-richest-man-rinat-akhmetov-says-hes-doing-everything-he-can-to-help-his-country/?sh=5b81306a6841)
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Today on Russian TV. Russians, if informed, would no doubt be against the war.
([url]https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/3/14/f88a85ee-b2f9-40d8-abfc-b936ba9d35c4.png[/url])
Marina Ovsyannikova...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_MG0os17XM# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_MG0os17XM#)
...Brave woman.
Russia must immediately stop this fratricidal war.
It is up to us to stop this madness.
Come out to protest, do not be afraid.
They cannot put all of us in jail.
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Indeed, brave woman. I'm afraid we won't hear from her again :-( Hope I'm wrong. Where is she now nobody knows.
She could be imprisonment up to fifteen years according to article 207 of The Criminal Code Of The Russian Federation.
As I said earlier, if you say that Russia is at war, you go to jail.
Nevertheless, I think it is some kind of provocation and she was well paid. It was a prepared operation, that some of her colleagues knew about. As far as I know she have children. Either she was well paid and given guarantees, or she is a fool. Most likely the first.
About Rinat Akhmetov I've heard many good things he did, as well as bad. I've read he supported education and medicine in Urkaine. I've heard his fighters are blocking the humanitarian corridor in Mariupol. Also I've heard that Putin wants people left Ukranian cities along humanitarian corridors to the territory of Russia, meanwhile Zenensky wants humanitarian corridors lead to the territory of Ukraine. So they blame each other, and most people just can't leave cities, because humanitarian corridors do not work.
After Mariupol and Avdeevka, the next city will be Dnipro. It is under protection of another billionaire Ihor Kolomoyskyi, which has much bigger army than Akhmetov. I think it could be a long bloody war :'(
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It looks like Marina Ovsyannikova was paid for the action. She was not sent to prison. Only a $300 penalty.
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It looks like Marina Ovsyannikova was paid for the action. She was not sent to prison. Only a $300 penalty.
She wasn't paid for what she did.
She has paid a fine but her problems may not be over.
She was interrogated for 14 hours with no access to a lawyer. I think the government wanted to make sure she wasn't part of an organised conspiracy.
In the video, she called on the Russian people to protest against the war, saying only they have the power to "stop all this madness".
"Don't be afraid of anything. They can't imprison us all," she said. - BBC NEWS.
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She wasn't paid for what she did.
She has paid a fine but her problems may not be over.
She was interrogated for 14 hours with no access to a lawyer. I think the government wanted to make sure she wasn't part of an organised conspiracy.
In the video, she called on the Russian people to protest against the war, saying only they have the power to "stop all this madness".
"Don't be afraid of anything. They can't imprison us all," she said. - BBC NEWS.
This fine was just for the posted video. Not for the action on live television. That 'trial' will be another story I'm afraid.
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This fine was just for the posted video. Not for the action on live television. That 'trial' will be another story I'm afraid.
Indeed. You're right, Tamara.
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I have a neighbor Andrey, who lives in apartment next to me. I just found out that his brother lives in Sievierodonetsk, and his parents live in a village near the town. Well, he said nothing new: Sievierodonetsk is being shelled, no water, no electricity, tanks drive through the fields scaring people - all these horrors of war.
Yesterday my son returned from tennis training and told us a story: one little girl there said to others that Russia is great and Urkaine is bad, and she provided her words with gestures: thumb up and f..k. Oh, my Gosh! What kind a people around us that put these things into children :'(
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3N_2r6R-o# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3N_2r6R-o#)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHV4DEvattM# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHV4DEvattM#)
"I am convinced that such a natural and necessary cleansing of society will only strengthen our country"
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Barry, to continue your post https://rutube.ru/video/9b8b30f34c4e58f5a7701c63de4ef692/ (https://rutube.ru/video/9b8b30f34c4e58f5a7701c63de4ef692/)
concert in Moscow and Putin's speech in honor of the 8th anniversary of the reunification of Crimea with Russia.
If one've been poisoned and need to vomit, then you can watch this concert :-X
Many people were forcibly driven there. They work in state budget companies. I know because I know some of them.
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And all's fair in love and war.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/tg9ldc/these_propagandist_animals_are_going_too_far/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/tg9ldc/these_propagandist_animals_are_going_too_far/)
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Barry, to continue your post [url]https://rutube.ru/video/9b8b30f34c4e58f5a7701c63de4ef692/[/url] ([url]https://rutube.ru/video/9b8b30f34c4e58f5a7701c63de4ef692/[/url])
concert in Moscow and Putin's speech in honor of the 8th anniversary of the reunification of Crimea with Russia.
Nice concert.
Who was that funny guy who forgot his guitar and couldn't sing?
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And all's fair in love and war.
[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/tg9ldc/these_propagandist_animals_are_going_too_far/[/url] ([url]https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/tg9ldc/these_propagandist_animals_are_going_too_far/[/url])
Russians trolls.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t4-AoXSl1A# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t4-AoXSl1A#)
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Hi Dmitry
Can I ask you... Do you guys in Moscow see the bombed out apartment buildings/Theatres/Kindy's in the various places in Ukraine and the 3 million Ukranian refugee's crossing into Poland and other places ? The dead children etc or is it hidden from the Russian public ?
And, are the Wests sanctions having an effect on your daily lives ?
Cheers.
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Barry, to continue your post [url]https://rutube.ru/video/9b8b30f34c4e58f5a7701c63de4ef692/[/url] ([url]https://rutube.ru/video/9b8b30f34c4e58f5a7701c63de4ef692/[/url])
concert in Moscow and Putin's speech in honor of the 8th anniversary of the reunification of Crimea with Russia.
If one've been poisoned and need to vomit, then you can watch this concert :-X
Yes, Dmitry. That concert would be a good non-medicinal emetic.
Many people were forcibly driven there. They work in state budget companies. I know because I know some of them.
I'm sure they were.
It looks like Z has replaced the swastika...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tlenyBWs4w# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tlenyBWs4w#)
History is repeating itself.
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I'm really bummed about this. All I can do is watch the news and listen to the talking heads who attempt to analyze and predicate future consequences. It's like watching a movie. I play no role in it. I simply watch.
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Hi Dmitry
Can I ask you...
Sure, Kevin, I'll tell what I see.
Do you guys in Moscow see the bombed out apartment buildings/Theatres/Kindy's in the various places in Ukraine and the 3 million Ukranian refugee's crossing into Poland and other places ? The dead children etc or is it hidden from the Russian public ?
Of course, no, no and no. Russians do not have to see these things, Putin decided so. TV shows how good Russian army is, and that soldiers came to Ukraine to bring peace, but nazi in Ukraine prevent them from doing so.
I go crazy when I see how much lies on both sides. But most of all, I cry when I see what's happening around me, people next to me drive cars with the Z sign, wave flags in support of the war. They just don't understand... Soon I'm afraid they ask my son to wave Z at school. What should I do?
Thanks many my colleagues are sane, and my boss at work is against the war, he even went to the center of Moscow to a rally.
And, are the Wests sanctions having an effect on your daily lives ?
Yes, it have. Though we have cheapest gasoline in the world, prices on other things and products took off.
I attached an illustration `top gifts for your girlfriend'.
It's not very noticeable for me at the moment, but it looks like it will get worse and worse, we'll be back in 90-s, we'll be poor.
I look into the future with big fear.
Most things in my house are made abroad (Germany, France and other Europe, S. Korea, US...) - it is ALL household appliances (it needs maintain), most tableware, many products and medicines, household chemicals and cosmetics, my son Michael's toys (he loves LEGO). Even my car Skoda is made of Europe parts.
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I'm really bummed about this. All I can do is watch the news and listen to the talking heads who attempt to analyze and predicate future consequences. It's like watching a movie. I play no role in it. I simply watch.
We all be happy when it all ends.
I feel I'm in crazy house right now, having no way out. It's like a challenge to be able to stay normal.
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I feel I'm in crazy house right now, having no way out. It's like a challenge to be able to stay normal.
I am finding this thread absolutely riveting. Also very sad, and unsettling. Dmitry, I have been saying extra prayers for you and your family. Please keep posting so we know you are OK.
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Thanks for your answers Dmitry.
It's hard to be against a war when a government is using such strong propaganda. If you speak out people will call you a traitor.
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Thanks for your answers Dmitry.
I hate this war. We have Australian press on the ground in Kiyv and other cities. What they are showing is horrible. I fear this whole country will be a wasteland, every building looks wrecked, uninhabitable. 44 million people suddenly with no homes or jobs. Looks like Armageddon. A whole country smashed, all the infrastructure gone.
Why is the Russian army destroying apartment blocks, people's homes, belongings ? I cant believe this is happening in 2022. Putin is a madman. He must be stopped.
Whilst I think the Ukrainians are very brave I'm beginning to think they should've not resisted, at least all the thousands would still be alive, and people would still have job's, homes etc. I mean is it worth losing your child over a war ?? And it's not as if they can win in the end against a superpower.
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I am finding this thread absolutely riveting. Also very sad, and unsettling. Dmitry, I have been saying extra prayers for you and your family. Please keep posting so we know you are OK.
Thank you, Kathy!
It's hard to be against a war when a government is using such strong propaganda. If you speak out people will call you a traitor.
I totally agree! It seems to me that this forum is one of the few thin threads that connect me with the world.
I hate this war. We have Australian press on the ground in Kiyv and other cities. What they are showing is horrible. I fear this whole country will be a wasteland, every building looks wrecked, uninhabitable. 44 million people suddenly with no homes or jobs. Looks like Armageddon. A whole country smashed, all the infrastructure gone.
It seems to be true, or will be true soon. I myself can't grasp it. Have no words. Sometimes I feel paralyzed, looking at this madness.
Why is the Russian army destroying apartment blocks, people's homes, belongings ? I cant believe this is happening in 2022. Putin is a madman. He must be stopped.
Whilst I think the Ukrainians are very brave I'm beginning to think they should've not resisted, at least all the thousands would still be alive, and people would still have job's, homes etc. I mean is it worth losing your child over a war ?? And it's not as if they can win in the end against a superpower.
I agree, Putin must be stopped. You know my dark thoughts? During at least last 10 years I was wishing Putin will get ill or something, because he will not leave power of his own free will.
If you, friends, have any questions, please ask, I will answer with pleasure on any question, I'll tell you everything I know.
Yesterday my brother-in-law Alexander (my wife's brother in Donetsk) returned home. He was fighting on the Russian side against Akhmetov's battalion `Azov' in Mariupol. He talked about the horrors of war. He told he saw atrocities which worriors of `Azov' made, for example, raped women in the city. It is so terrible! In war this is inevitable. He told about accidents in Mariupol when he almost got killed, but his comrades were killed. Alexander rose to the rank of battalion commander (Kombat), and command other soldiers. Alexander is 48 years old, but he looks like an old man, gray-haired, all sick, frightened, startles at the slightest noise and looks around. He looked like homeless person, so he was washed, changed clothes and sent to hospital. I said to my wife: relax, my dear, your brother is at home, you stop reading news, stop worrying, take care of yourself, me and Michael. And she said, that Alexander wishes to return to the war `to fight against nazi' - his words - after being patched up. What a lunatic! What a fool! - my wife and me think... we have no other words.
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You are not alone, Dmitry. This is what a Russian friend of a friend posted on Facebook.
How does it feel to be a Russian in Russia at the moment?
In short, it is shock and depression. New shock waves come before you have time to cope with the previous ones. First, it was the shock of finding out that Russia attacked Ukraine, the humiliation, the anger at how one person can sh*t all over everything??? Then the horror of the pictures and videos of explosions and destruction. Then the sanctions: cancelled payment systems, flights, oil&gas projects (I realized right away that I will be out of job in a few months, which was confirmed a few weeks later). Then ruble crashed and our family savings with it. Car, apartment and electronics prices skyrocketed. Immigration craze started. Next came the shock of the military casualties on both sides, daily pain of new deaths. The next came the realization how many Russians were taken in by the state propaganda and if not supported the "military operation", at least tried to rationalize it. My close friends do see this war for what it is. But there are many of my my compatriots with whom I've been fighting Telegram wars, some are in denial, some are beginning to realize how everything is going to sh*t. The next shock was the humanitarian catastrophe in the Russian occupied or surrounded cities. The rest is not shocking any more, the nervous system becomes numb, it cannot handle so much stress, and just shuts off. Propaganda, censorship and crack down on dissent is not shocking any more, just debilitating. Now, pharmacies are closing, medicines are disappearing from the stores. Some foods are not available any more, some food prices increased 30-100%, but others have stayed the same. Taxi and car sharing prices grew 30%. Printing paper is out of stock, prices increased 6 fold. Contactless Google Pay doesn't not work in stores any more. I am going to be out of job by May the latest, I don't know how we are going to pay rent.
I am hoping for the war to stop within the next couple months. I don't blame any foreign companies for not wanting to have anything to do with Russia, but I am still grateful to those that stayed - at least perhaps my brother is not going to be out job. I am focusing on finding new job opportunities, keeping kids happy. It is hard to stay positive. We are not the ones being bombed, can't complain.
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Thank you, Tamara, I subscribe to every word!!!
Poor people who will lose their jobs. Our company management said that they won't fire anyone and won't lower salary. I hope so.
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I agree, Putin must be stopped. You know my dark thoughts? During at least last 10 years I was wishing Putin will get ill or something, because he will not leave power of his own free will.
If I understand correctly Putin has changed the Russian constitution and can stay in power until 2036 ... so he's certainly not thinking of leaving power anytime soon.
I think he could be stopped in two ways.
First make sure your brother-in-law tells everybody about how many Russians are being killed in this war. Ask him if he thinks this corresponds with the official government figures that Putin is giving out. If there's an obvious big difference then more and more Russians will realise Putin is lying to them.I don't know if you know but three or four top Russian generals have already been killed. So eventually the Russian people and the Russian Army could turn against their president/dictator.
Second I think NATO should put troops all around the Kaliningrad enclave and declare a no-fly zone in or out of this area.They should do this now because it's obvious that this could become a danger in the future to Europe.
If Finland enters NATO (which it's thinking of doing because of the Ukraine war) then eventually Putin's access to the Baltic Sea could be threatened.
Kaliningrad is the bit of yellow to the left on this map.It's surrrounded by European Union/ NATO countries.
Historically it was never part of Russia before 1948 so it would be easy to justify a true European take-over. It's Putin's only ice-free access to the Baltic.
So I would say to Vladimir Putin. If you take Odessa we take Kaliningrad.
I think this is the kind of language he understands.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/European_Russia_laea_location_map_%28Crimea_disputed%29.svg/800px-European_Russia_laea_location_map_%28Crimea_disputed%29.svg.png)
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This may sound flippant but why not fight a war by playing chess or something?
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And she said, that Alexander wishes to return to the war `to fight against nazi' - his words - after being patched up. What a lunatic! What a fool! - my wife and me think... we have no other words.
I may be revealing my ignorance here, but I'm confused as to why the term Nazi is being bandied about in regard to Ukraine. I haven't really had the time to research this.
Update: OK, this article clarified things: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946 (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946)
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This may sound flippant but why not fight a war by playing chess or something?
Trouble is Russia would have the upper hand in chess.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ8KSXY6QB8# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ8KSXY6QB8#)
Few people talk about it, most people don't know.
Again, Ukraine was always two nations: West Ukrainians and East Ukrainians. They always conflict. This is one of the reasons for the war and irresolvable contradictions.
News from my side:
My brother-in-law, being in the hospital, said he return to the war as soon as he get well. In addition to all sorts of sores, his kidneys fail, he swells all over. He said, hundreds of young soldires are waiting for him, he is like father for them. So it seems they mean to him more than his wife and his three small children. Me, and my wife, we don't get his life values. I think it's all about his ambitions.
Rinat Akhmetov said that his factory in Mariupol will never not work for Russia or DPR. `his' means that he, as well as all other Russian oligarchs, got it almost for free in 90s during Privatization after USSR collapse.
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Fox News is not a reliable source.
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Fox News is not a reliable source.
Sure thing. Is there any reliable source?
In video I posted Maajid said things I heard from people who live in Donetsk and Kiev, about Azon and about Zelensky.
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Month ago the war began. The world will never be the same. For all of us, I guess.
Putin wanted blitzkrieg, but it looks like it is a long exhausting war. They say that discontent is brewing among Putin's entourage.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6A3XzfHxAk# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6A3XzfHxAk#)
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Sure thing. Is there any reliable source?
BBC
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They say that discontent is brewing among Putin's entourage.
This is the best news I've heard all day.
I hope it's true.
As for 'denazifying' Ukraine. 99% of what I see is Russia bombing cities indiscriminately and creating millions of refugees who are now arriving here in free Europe for us to look after.
They sure don't look like nazis to me.
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They say that discontent is brewing among Putin's entourage.
These guys don't look to happy with him...
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/28/01/54736047-0-image-a-4_1646011676577.jpg)
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These guys don't look to happy with him...
Smiles are prohibited ha2ha
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BBC
I would say otherwise. The BBC is the largest propaganda machine in human history. Not only in scale, but also in performance: one of the signs of this is that neither the fans of the corporation nor its opponents understand the real extent of its influence ;sorry
I would say there is no media, to which you can trust completly. All big media corporations freely manipulate opinion and pursue certain goals.
Only our critical thinking allows us to successfully determine the truth from fiction when viewing the news. Though, we never know all things, so critical thinking won't help roll:)
My neighbor Andrei told me yesterday about Severodonetsk. His brother and parents are there. The front still passes through the city, nor Russians, neither Ukrainians can't move for weeks, just stay and bomb each other.
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As for 'denazifying' Ukraine. 99% of what I see is Russia bombing cities indiscriminately and creating millions of refugees who are now arriving here in free Europe for us to look after.
They sure don't look like nazis to me.
Ukrainian or Russian people are no nazis. But at least one military battalion (Azov) is Nazi. I've heard about them from Donetsk people many times before the war, and about what they do.
Objectively I would call Putin a Nazi, and many things he do are too.
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Ukrainian or Russian people are no nazis. But at least one military battalion (Azov) is Nazi. I've heard about them from Donetsk people many times before the war, and about what they do.
Objectively I would call Putin a Nazi, and many things he do are too.
If Russia allowed Ukraine to be a part of Europe the neo-nazi elements could be rooted out. Europe would not tolerate them.
Putin is pleased they're there so he can justify his ambitions.
As it is, Zelensky has no other choice than to use the Azov regiment to contain Russian aggression.
Every country thinks their media are telling them the truth but, overall, I'd take the BBC over TASS any day. For example:
"When clarifying the unfolding developments, the Russian Defense Ministry reassured that Russian troops are not targeting Ukrainian cities, but are limited to surgically striking and incapacitating Ukrainian military infrastructure. There are no threats whatsoever to the civilian population." TASS Russian News Agency.
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"When clarifying the unfolding developments, the Russian Defense Ministry reassured that Russian troops are not targeting Ukrainian cities, but are limited to surgically striking and incapacitating Ukrainian military infrastructure. There are no threats whatsoever to the civilian population." TASS Russian News Agency.
Wow. That's a real eye-opener. It really took me aback. I
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Smiles are prohibited ha2ha
Nothing's changed...
(https://providencemag.com/wp-content/uploads/Stalin-Parade-Moscow-September-1946.jpg)
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I would say otherwise. The BBC is the largest propaganda machine in human history.
You've got to be joking Dmitry, Right ? ;D ....Bigger propaganda machine than news agencies in North Korea, Russia, China, Fox News, CNN etc ?
The BBC is not controlled by the UK Gov. In fact its more left leaning than the current right wing Gov.
I mainly watch SBS news in Australia for Ukranian invasion news. I trust them.
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The denazification myth is well-explained here.
And yes it's the BBC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzDonLIJsjc# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzDonLIJsjc#)
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The denazification myth is well-explained here.
That clarified things a lot for me; thanks so much for posting that, zipp.
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Nothing's changed...
([url]https://providencemag.com/wp-content/uploads/Stalin-Parade-Moscow-September-1946.jpg[/url])
You're so right ha2ha
I'm telling it many people I know. I'm telling that nothing changes in Russia in 10, 100, 1000 years.
I know several guys who moved 10, 20 or 30 years ago from Russia to Europe or US. They were trying to come back, thinking Russia got better, but after visiting Russia, they run away again.
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You've got to be joking Dmitry, Right ? ;D ....Bigger propaganda machine than news agencies in North Korea, Russia, China, Fox News, CNN etc ?
In terms of audience coverage and influence, why not? Little is watching North Korea media or believe Russian ones.
The denazification myth is well-explained here.
And yes it's the BBC.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzDonLIJsjc#[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzDonLIJsjc#[/url])
Thankz, zipp, very interesting.
Just found other several BBC videos on this topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY#)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE6b4ao8gAQ# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE6b4ao8gAQ#)
Ukraine is not an integral state and has been falling apart since long ago. Government, military groups, oligarchs - each pursues its own goals. There is no order.
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Ukraine is not an integral state and has been falling apart since long ago. Government, military groups, oligarchs - each pursues its own goals. There is no order.
Sounds more like Russia to me.
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Wow. That's a real eye-opener. It really took me aback. I
This is what the Russian Press Agency stated, certainly not the truth.
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Sounds more like Russia to me.
Yes, because I'm Russian ha2ha
Nevertheless, the BBC video is about it.
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This is what the Russian Press Agency stated, certainly not the truth.
Well, yes, that's what I meant: the blatant prevarication. I shared that with my daughters to show them an example of state-run media.
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Dmitry, what happened to Sergei Shoigu?
(https://e3.365dm.com/22/02/768x432/skynews-vladimir-putin-sergei-shoigu_5688771.jpg?20220227155250)
Did he disappear the way Leon Trotsky did?
(https://i.postimg.cc/51tPmwdq/Lenin-and-Trotsky-2.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/wjMMhBWD/lenin-no-trotsky2-89dedaa6a7a40be0d6e30dad2284c57fec08b04f-s1100-c50.jpg)
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Dmitry, what happened to Sergei Shoigu?
Did he disappear the way Leon Trotsky did?
I don't know. You asked and just right now I found out that many people ask this question ha2ha
I went through the russian news, found nothing interesting. Some say he's ill , some say he disappeared.
Shoigu has not appeared in public since March 11. Insteresting.
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...some say he disappeared.
People seem to disappear in Russia...
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2016/11/24/Foreign/Images/GettyImages-148464380.jpg?t=20170517)
(https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5b48cb820f24b42870b0cfa1/master/w_2560,h_1829,c_limit/Gessen-PB-8.jpg)
...like Nikolai Yezhov did in 1938.
;D
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Usual proceeding ;D
Hope it won't affect me ha2ha
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toGMjVVhkiM# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toGMjVVhkiM#)
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In Berlin, ordinary people pay ???
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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toGMjVVhkiM#[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toGMjVVhkiM#[/url])
Excellent.
Do you want World War Three?
Sure, everybody loves a trilogy!
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Rifles dont work apparently..
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10667245/Russian-conscripts-say-theyve-thrown-s-t-1940s-rifles-Ukraine-frontline.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10667245/Russian-conscripts-say-theyve-thrown-s-t-1940s-rifles-Ukraine-frontline.html)
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Rifles dont work apparently..
[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10667245/Russian-conscripts-say-theyve-thrown-s-t-1940s-rifles-Ukraine-frontline.html[/url] ([url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10667245/Russian-conscripts-say-theyve-thrown-s-t-1940s-rifles-Ukraine-frontline.html[/url])
Seems to be true, knowing the inhuman conditions in which my brother-in-law fights. Though 1940s rifles looks like an exaggeration.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10681529/Boris-Johnson-condemns-Russias-despicable-attacks-Ukrainians-Bucha-Irpin.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10681529/Boris-Johnson-condemns-Russias-despicable-attacks-Ukrainians-Bucha-Irpin.html)
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Rifles dont work apparently..
[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10667245/Russian-conscripts-say-theyve-thrown-s-t-1940s-rifles-Ukraine-frontline.html[/url] ([url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10667245/Russian-conscripts-say-theyve-thrown-s-t-1940s-rifles-Ukraine-frontline.html[/url])
It seems that this still applies to the soldiers of Donbass. Russian soldiers are well equipped.
[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10681529/Boris-Johnson-condemns-Russias-despicable-attacks-Ukrainians-Bucha-Irpin.html[/url] ([url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10681529/Boris-Johnson-condemns-Russias-despicable-attacks-Ukrainians-Bucha-Irpin.html[/url])
I almost stop reading all these military reports. I just do not have enough competence to figure out where the lie is and where the truth is. You can go crazy with all this news.
Regarding Bucha, I do not rule out that the Russians did it. But I don’t understand why they had to do it so theatrically, and expose themselves in such a way that the whole world could see? Who benefits?
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Regarding Bucha, I do not rule out that the Russians did it. But I don’t understand why they had to do it so theatrically, and expose themselves in such a way that the whole world could see? Who benefits?
Putin hasn't managed to roll into Ukraine cities with his tanks and he hasn't managed to break Ukraine with his missiles.
So unfortunately he's resorting to terrorism. And terrorism must be seen. The more people who see it, the more people will think "maybe we should let Putin have his way".
Nobody in the West has the shadow of a doubt that Bucha is a Russian war crime.
I know it's difficult for you Dmitry but if you can just try to get the message through to the fine Russian people that things are happening in Ukraine in their name that are competely unacceptable.
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Putin hasn't managed to roll into Ukraine cities with his tanks and he hasn't managed to break Ukraine with his missiles.
So unfortunately he's resorting to terrorism. And terrorism must be seen. The more people who see it, the more people will think "maybe we should let Putin have his way".
Nobody in the West has the shadow of a doubt that Bucha is a Russian war crime.
I know it's difficult for you Dmitry but if you can just try to get the message through to the fine Russian people that things are happening in Ukraine in their name that are competely unacceptable.
I don't think I could help people to change their mind. There are a lot of people who against the war and Putin. Some of then write in social media, some talk on youtube, other go to rallies. Me, I'm just afraid to state my position publicly.
I have no illusions about Putin. He doesn't give a damn about us, the Russians, and even more so, he doesn't give a damn about the Ukrainians and the people of Donetsk. But I don't understand some things. For example, why everybody is silence about everyday bombing Donetsk?! Or why Russians left so many evidences in Bucha? The incident in Bucha is very theatrical. What is the purpose?
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Yes, be careful, Dmitry.
As for me, I'm sickened by the footage coming out of Bucha. And further sickened by the denials coming from the Kremlin seeking to blame Ukranians for committing these atrocities. I believe the family members who witnessed these crimes and hope one day their testimony will be heard in a world court.
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I don't think I could help people to change their mind. There are a lot of people who against the war and Putin. Some of then write in social media, some talk on youtube, other go to rallies. Me, I'm just afraid to state my position publicly.
I have no illusions about Putin. He doesn't give a damn about us, the Russians, and even more so, he doesn't give a damn about the Ukrainians and the people of Donetsk. But I don't understand some things. For example, why everybody is silence about everyday bombing Donetsk?! Or why Russians left so many evidences in Bucha? The incident in Bucha is very theatrical. What is the purpose?
Theatrical? Are you crazy?
The purpose? What was the purpose of invading Ukraine in the first place?
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The purpose? What was the purpose of invading Ukraine in the first place?
I don't know. Do you?
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https://youtu.be/QHYocJWT59k (https://youtu.be/QHYocJWT59k)
I'm trying to think.
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Don't think too hard, Dmitry. Scott Ritter gets paid for his speaking engagements and was probably paid by RT for this crock of crap.
Scott Ritter was arrested twice for "unlawful contact with a minor, criminal use of a communications facility, corruption of minors, indecent exposure, possessing instruments of crime, criminal attempt and criminal solicitation." He has served jail time for these crimes. He has little credibility here.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNLJEA3jWUo# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNLJEA3jWUo#)
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^^^^^
Johnson makes a good point about VPNs, but can Russians even get them at this point? Seems like they would have had to have one before this whole thing started.
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I welcome reasoning and discussion of facts. A lot of different things are written and said about Bucha in all countries. I hope that they will investigate well and responsible for crimes will be punished.
Johnson makes a good point about VPNs, but can Russians even get them at this point? Seems like they would have had to have one before this whole thing started.
Wow! I like how he speaks russian ;D
I use VPN when it is necessary. Have no troubles with it.
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I welcome reasoning and discussion of facts. A lot of different things are written and said about Bucha in all countries. I hope that they will investigate well and responsible for crimes will be punished.
Yesterday you said it looked theatrical.
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Yesterday you said it looked theatrical.
Today I still think that bodies lie theatrically.
I read about other arguments for and against each side. The easiest way is to take sides without understanding. I can not do it (because of this, by the way, I suffer.), and not only because I'm Russian.
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Just saw a video from a drone in Bucha, a man rode round a corner on a bicycle, there were 2 Russian tanks, one of them opened fire and killed the man. His body as stayed there for days.
https://youtu.be/50sQd5duZ48 (https://youtu.be/50sQd5duZ48)
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A lot of videos like this. It's terrible to see :'(
Many soldiers believe that in war you can kill and do terrible things to people with impunity.
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https://www.grammarly.com/suspended-service-russia-belarus (https://www.grammarly.com/suspended-service-russia-belarus) :-\
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A lot of videos like this. It's terrible to see :'(
It's a bit theatrically.
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It's a bit theatrically.
Tamara, your teasing makes me question, did I once offended you with something? You write in such short sentences that I can only guess, what do you want to say.
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Some experts say the war will last for a couple of months, Russia has no resources for it.
Echelons of military equipment are arriving to Ukraine from Europe and US, Russia will not stand.
People in Donetsk are afraid that soon Donetsk will be as Mariupol.
My wife's brother seriously wounded by a sniper in Mariupol and he is in hospital in Donetsk now.
On Friday, a familiar doctor will come from Mariupol to visit him.
This doctor talked about hell in Mariupol: no doctors, no nurses, mountains of corpses and body parts.
Our old family friend in Moscow is waiting for a coffin with her relative from Ukraine, a boy used to be a soldier.
Russian people along with Ukrainians face more and more deaths.
Putin has turned the lives of millions of people into hell.
P. S. I hope you don't hand me over to Putin.
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Don't worrry Dmitry we won't tell Putin. ;)
It looks like good Russain citizens are slowly realising that this war is costing Russian lives and as you say creating hell for milions of people.
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Find it weird that seemingly on guy can cost thousands of lives, disrupt and destroy entire nation and cause so much human misery in this day and age.
I honestly thought wars in Europe were done with.
Putin is surely the leper of the world now.
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([url]https://www.eurotopics.net/cache/images/3/276933-5x3-topteaser1260x756.jpg[/url])
In difficult moments, I remembered this picture. Can you imagine what it is like to live in Russia itself if its neighbors feel so bad? :'(
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Don't worrry Dmitry we won't tell Putin. ;)
It looks like good Russain citizens are slowly realising that this war is costing Russian lives and as you say creating hell for milions of people.
Thank you, zipp!
I am surprised that someone believe that there are good people in Russia.
But who are these good people? I think good people know from the start that war is a terrible thing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saEpkcVi1d4# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saEpkcVi1d4#)
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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saEpkcVi1d4#[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saEpkcVi1d4#[/url])
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UPD: I will watch it later, at home, via VPN.
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I believe it's based on a Ukrainian folk song.
You'll be able to understand the lyrics better than me !
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/ukraine-russia-war-consequences/629541/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/ukraine-russia-war-consequences/629541/)
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[url]https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/ukraine-russia-war-consequences/629541/[/url] ([url]https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/ukraine-russia-war-consequences/629541/[/url])
Thank you for this interesting capacious article, Kevin!
I'm so sad and disgusted that my motherland has plunged into this and that many people all over the world do not like Russians now and are trying to erase Russian culture.
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Roger Waters, Eno & friends
https://youtu.be/V7R_UmPWaik (https://youtu.be/V7R_UmPWaik)
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Putin's mighty war machine on the SCRAPHEAP: After two months of fighting, Russia has now lost 873 tanks, 179 aircraft, 21,800 troops... and the pride of its navy is lying on the bottom of the Black Sea
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10747991/Russia-lost-873-tanks-179-aircraft-21-800-troops-just-two-months-fighting.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10747991/Russia-lost-873-tanks-179-aircraft-21-800-troops-just-two-months-fighting.html)
I dont know how accurate this is but if it's anywhere near the truth no wonder Putin is looking very ill.
This is also interesting.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/the-awful-truth-is-dawning-putin-may-win-in-ukraine-the-result-would-be-catastrophe/ar-AAWwBdM?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6a34acecb7594b519d4b63da968021e0 (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/the-awful-truth-is-dawning-putin-may-win-in-ukraine-the-result-would-be-catastrophe/ar-AAWwBdM?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6a34acecb7594b519d4b63da968021e0)
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Putin's mighty war machine on the SCRAPHEAP: After two months of fighting, Russia has now lost 873 tanks, 179 aircraft, 21,800 troops... and the pride of its navy is lying on the bottom of the Black Sea
I'm more concerned about about the thousands of Ukrainians murdered and thrown into mass graves and the destruction of many Ukrainian cities and towns.
But I know what you mean, Kev.
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I'm more concerned about about the thousands of Ukrainians murdered and thrown into mass graves and the destruction of many Ukrainian cities and towns.
But I know what you mean, Kev.
Yes absolutely agree.......but good to know this is costing Russians big time. I'm still amazed that one guy can wreck a whole country because he says he feels threatened. Threatened by who ?
Who would ever attempt to invade Russia ?
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I'm still amazed that one guy can wreck a whole country because he says he feels threatened.
We've had several despots like Putin throughout history...
Tamerlane
Ivan the Terrible
Robespierre
Joseph Stalin
Adolph Hitler
Mao Zedong
Francois Duvalier
Nicolae Ceausescu
Idi Amin
Pol Pot
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I'm still amazed that one guy can wreck a whole country because he says he feels threatened.
It is amazing and at the same time scary. I'm afraid to stay in Russia :'(
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It is amazing and at the same time scary. I'm afraid to stay in Russia :'(
It must be very hard to disown your home country's actions.
I'm nevertheless convinced that one day, good Russian patriots will rise up against this new power-mad Tsar called Putin.
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I'm nevertheless convinced that one day, good Russian patriots will rise up against this new power-mad Tsar called Putin.
It's happened before and it can happen again...
(https://www.thoughtco.com/thmb/AEWsOnuE_xuEEtXlWAqsLVh-VlI=/2964x1667/smart/filters:no_upscale()/stalindead-56a48c3e3df78cf77282eed2.jpg)
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I'm nevertheless convinced that one day, good Russian patriots will rise up against this new power-mad Tsar called Putin.
I myself, unfortunately, don't believe it can happen :-(
It's happened before and it can happen again...
The sooner the better.
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It's happened before and it can happen again...
([url]https://www.thoughtco.com/thmb/AEWsOnuE_xuEEtXlWAqsLVh-VlI=/2964x1667/smart/filters:no_upscale()/stalindead-56a48c3e3df78cf77282eed2.jpg[/url])
Didn’t Stalin just die and get replaced by the next party apparatchik, I.e. Kruschev?
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Didn’t Stalin just die and get replaced by the next party apparatchik, I.e. Kruschev?
Right. After a coup d'état by Nikita Khrushchev, with help from Marshal of the Soviet Union Georgy Zhukov, got rid of Lavrentiy Beria...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Lavrentiy-beria.jpg/800px-Lavrentiy-beria.jpg)
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It's happened before and it can happen again...
The sooner the better.
But Putin has too many tasters.
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Right. After a coup d'état by Nikita Khrushchev, with help from Marshal of the Soviet Union Georgy Zhukov, got rid of Lavrentiy Beria...
([url]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Lavrentiy-beria.jpg/800px-Lavrentiy-beria.jpg[/url])
Ah ok I thought they did Beria after Stalins death. Sort of like a new Roman emperor clearing out the old praetorian guard.
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Yes, Moog. Khrushchev's coup d'état was after Stalin died, or possibly killed.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10823981/amp/Ukraine-war-Retired-colonel-tells-Russian-state-media-world-against-us.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10823981/amp/Ukraine-war-Retired-colonel-tells-Russian-state-media-world-against-us.html)
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I saw this part of a TV show. It posted on one Telegram channel and someone entitled it as: "Are Russia starting to prepare for surrender?"
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I saw this part of a TV show. It posted on one Telegram channel and someone entitled it as: "Are Russia starting to prepare for surrender?"
Is he being believed Dmitry ?
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Is he being believed Dmitry ?
I can't say. I just don't watch TV and all these TV shows. I think some people believe, some do not believe. You know, in 1945 German people didn't believe they lose war until war came to thier homes. It seems that state propaganda is still broadcasting that the Russian army is the best, and to this Russia will destroy everyone with nuclear weapons.
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Mikhail Khodaryonok gave me faith in what I already think: many Russians are not going to believe in Putin's lies and Putin will one day be overthrown.
Is it true that the presenter Olga Skabeyeva has become known as the 'iron doll of Putin' ? She certainly looked to me like a nasty piece of work.
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She certainly looked to me like a nasty piece of work.
Well, Putin's not exactly a prize himself.
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Well, Putin's not exactly a prize himself.
Not even bare chested and riding a horse? ha2ha
(https://i.ibb.co/s2Px88d/3-FBF2-A26-E896-49-E5-BB59-0-AEE2585-D8-A9.jpg)
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^^^^
If I never see another photo of Putin with his shirt off I will die a happy woman. ;)
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Not even bare chested and riding a horse? ha2ha
([url]https://i.ibb.co/s2Px88d/3-FBF2-A26-E896-49-E5-BB59-0-AEE2585-D8-A9.jpg[/url])
Pity he's only 5'3"
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Pity he's only 5'3"
He's smaller than that...
(https://i.postimg.cc/dw49dp6L/20210713-162009.jpg)
;D
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Bastards.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/vladimir-putin-s-forces-are-leaving-a-barbaric-calling-card-as-they-withdraw-from-ukrainian-villages/ar-AAXwZep?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ecf2999f165740db9ccd0aa12143c4ec (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/vladimir-putin-s-forces-are-leaving-a-barbaric-calling-card-as-they-withdraw-from-ukrainian-villages/ar-AAXwZep?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ecf2999f165740db9ccd0aa12143c4ec)
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I wonder if they write about shelling of Donetsk, which Ukrainians arrange every day? Civilians are being killed each day. Native civilians of Donetsk. Looks like nobody cares about it. On abc.net.au I found only news about Russians, who killed civilians, in Severodenetsk for example. Not objectively.
I can't find news in English, only in Russian:
NATO howitzers were pulled up to Donetsybek. Brutal shooting.
On Sunday, Donetsk was subjected to severe shelling. Even the rear areas came under Ukrainian fire, which has not happened since 2015. There are dead civilians - two women, numerous wounded, including children.
https://www.politnavigator.net/k-donecku-podtyanuli-gaubicy-nato-zhestochajjshijj-obstrel.html (https://www.politnavigator.net/k-donecku-podtyanuli-gaubicy-nato-zhestochajjshijj-obstrel.html)
I care about Donetsk because my wife was born there, and her relatives live there.
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Donetsk is a Ukrainian city, being attacked by RUSSIAN soldiers. If anybody gets killed because of the war, the Russians are to blame.
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Just watched a couple of videos. Could be interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo6w5R6Uo8Y# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo6w5R6Uo8Y#)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpC1kXhW2Lw# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpC1kXhW2Lw#)
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Putin announced a partial mobilization of the population for the war. What a bastard! Hope I can leave the country.
According to the calculations of the Ministry of Defense, a total of 300,000 reservists will be called up.
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Dmitry, have you been given any sort of time frame about your wife's visa?
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Putin announced a partial mobilization of the population for the war. What a bastard! Hope I can leave the country.
According to the calculations of the Ministry of Defense, a total of 300,000 reservists will be called up.
Looks like there are many protests, this lunatic is destroying his own country.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11236507/Russian-anti-war-protestors-dragged-away-officers-blacked-helmets-taking-streets.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11236507/Russian-anti-war-protestors-dragged-away-officers-blacked-helmets-taking-streets.html)
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Apparently people are trying to get over the border into Finland to escape the draft. Extraordinary stuff. Best of luck Dmitry
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Putin announced a partial mobilization of the population for the war. What a bastard! Hope I can leave the country.
According to the calculations of the Ministry of Defense, a total of 300,000 reservists will be called up.
A handful of incompetent officers and the rest, cannon fodder. The reservists should turn around and go back with those soldiers who are leaving Ukraine.
I hope history repeats itself...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4kQvkvGi9M# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4kQvkvGi9M#)
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Dmitry, have you been given any sort of time frame about your wife's visa?
My answer http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/index.php?topic=4936.msg352998#msg352998 (http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/index.php?topic=4936.msg352998#msg352998) :)
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This type of inconsistency confuses me.
From the link you posted, nimrod: "One protester was hauled into detention in Novosibirsk after shouting at police and FSB officers at a rally: 'I am not going to die for Putin, or for you!'"
From a different source: “I don’t want to die for Putin or for you!” one of the arrested men shouted.
So, assuming this is the same individual, was he arrested because he shouted that, or did he make that statement after he'd been detained? I'm thinking the first quote is more accurate.
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Since 21 Sep almost 300 thousands of men left Russia because of call-up. National disaster.
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It is special that Russia claims areas that do not belong to them at all. Anyway, if Russia can do that, so can we. We just did an illegal vote last night and as of today Belgium will annex Russia.
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Since 21 Sep almost 300 thousands of men left Russia because of call-up. National disaster.
300.000 Russian men could better have gone to the Kremlin. Then it was all over now.
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It is special that Russia claims areas that do not belong to them at all. Anyway, if Russia can do that, so can we. We just did an illegal vote last night and as of today Belgium will annex Russia.
Good news!
I prefer Finland, but Belgium is good too.
Though as myself I don't care anymore ;D
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300.000 Russian men could better have gone to the Kremlin. Then it was all over now.
It would be nice, but there is no leader for them.
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By the way I meet many Russians here, in Mersin, who left Russia. Very sad Putin forced them.
They don't want to go to the Kremlin or to the war...
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Just watch a minute from 2:51
https://youtu.be/yfGX50n9TAA?t=171 (https://youtu.be/yfGX50n9TAA?t=171)
if you recognize Zelensky
I can't believe. It is like from another life. Peace and joy.
Putin p*ssed off all the people :'(
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It was different time.
World history has shown us that all despots ultimately meet the same fate.
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History is repeating itself...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4kQvkvGi9M# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4kQvkvGi9M#)
1917
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCrnufbGSIo&t=12s# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCrnufbGSIo&t=12s#)
2022
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Find this all so depressing.
I recently watched the new All Quiet On The Western Front film which depicts very well the futility and absolute stupidity of war.
And here we are with Putin doing it all over again and threatening nuclear. I read that 500 or so Russian conscripts were killed the other day. All those lives ruined, all those parents, their lives wrecked. All those apartment blocks (people's homes) smashed to bits..
Putin is making Russia the enemy of the world and ruining the economy. Thousands upon thousands of lives ruined, forever.
For what ?
https://news.yahoo.com/battalion-russian-conscripts-destroyed-luhansk-194504321.html (https://news.yahoo.com/battalion-russian-conscripts-destroyed-luhansk-194504321.html)
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So. Now Russians missiles landed in Poland and killed two people. Poland is a NATO country.
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Very powerful article about the perspective from Lithuania.
https://newlinesmag.com/first-person/what-ukraine-means-for-lithuanians-haunted-by-soviet-past/ (https://newlinesmag.com/first-person/what-ukraine-means-for-lithuanians-haunted-by-soviet-past/)
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Thanks for posting that, nimrod. As someone of Lithuanian descent, I found it very interesting.
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Thanks for posting that, nimrod. As someone of Lithuanian descent, whose surname was Americanized (sort of -- the first consonant, at least),
To clarify, the first consonant was changed to a vowel. Crucial! ;)
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More and more evidence appearing online of a run on Russian banks.
Putins banks are either out of cash as long lines form by ATMs or are giving fake reasons for why people can’t withdraw their money.
The Russian Ruble is down nearly 20% to the USD in recent weeks
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Sounds ominous.
This may be a non sequitur, Nim, but have you—or anyone else here—seen this unsettling advertisement?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11571617/Putins-state-media-warns-Europeans-eating-PETS-Christmas-bizarre-video.html#v-5465369839247405617 (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11571617/Putins-state-media-warns-Europeans-eating-PETS-Christmas-bizarre-video.html#v-5465369839247405617)
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Well, it's Christmas and no one in Europe is eating their pets or using hamsters to generate electricity. This is an example scare tactic propaganda which we've seen before throughout the 20th and 21st Century.
Putin is destroying his country. As I said last month, history is repeating itself.
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The Russian Ruble is down nearly 20% to the USD in recent weeks
You frightened me, - because I get my salary in rubles and buy dollars, - and I checked the exchange rates.
Nothing extraordinary. The ruble is very volatile.
A year ago (before the war) one dollar cost 79 rubles, in June it cost 51 rubles, now 68.
I hope the ruble won't get cheaper in January.
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Dmitry, news reports here in the United States are very biased and not trustworthy. It's been this way for many years now.
I look to first-hand reports from you and others to gauge what is really happening in Russia and Ukraine.
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Dmitry, news reports here in the United States are very biased and not trustworthy. It's been this way for many years now.
I look to first-hand reports from you and others to gauge what is really happening in Russia and Ukraine.
Agreed.
Also the thread title from Cor is misleading...It's not a war against Russia, it's a Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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Agreed.
Also the thread title from Cor is misleading...It's not a war against Russia, it's a Russian invasion of Ukraine.
You mean this thread, Kev?
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Agreed.
Also the thread title from Cor is misleading...It's not a war against Russia, it's a Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Cor?! Kev, you are misleading :-X
I partly agree on thread title. In global context the title is right (also due to the economic component), but in local one it is false (indeed Russia invaded Ukraine).
So it depends how you look at this war.
You can change the title, don't you? I'm not sure.
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Dmitry, news reports here in the United States are very biased and not trustworthy. It's been this way for many y ;Dears now.
I look to first-hand reports from you and others to gauge what is really happening in Russia and Ukraine.
Barry, I am already not a first-hand reporter ha2ha
Though some things in Russia concern me directly, I prefer do not read and talk about war, too tired of it, too tired of constant anxiety. Russia indeed is slipping into the middle ages and it really scares me. By the way, GDP of Texas is the same as Russian ones ;D
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You mean this thread, Kev?
Yes Kelley.
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Cor?! Kev, you are misleading :-X
I partly agree on thread title. In global context the title is right (also due to the economic component), but in local one it is false (indeed Russia invaded Ukraine).
So it depends how you look at this war.
You can change the title, don't you? I'm not sure.
It's not really a war Dmitry. Russia invaded Ukraine after saying they wouldn't. Ukraine is not attacking Russian cities; it is defending Ukraine.
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It's not really a war Dmitry. Russia invaded Ukraine after saying they wouldn't. Ukraine is not attacking Russian cities; it is defending Ukraine.
Agree with you 90%.
During last several months Ukraine is attacking Russian cities with missiles and drones (which are not Ukrainian made). Of course, this is nothing compared to what Russia is doing in Ukraine. I'm afraid it will get worse, and it will be more casualties from both sides. Putin does not pity not only the civilian population of Ukraine, he does not pity the inhabitants of Russia either. So if it isn't war yet, it will be sooner or later.
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Barry, I am already not a first-hand reporter ha2ha
Dmitry, you only recently left Russia but you still have family there and so I still count you as a source of first-hand information. The RN in my office has family in Poland near the Ukraine border. I count on them for first hand information too.
Russia indeed is slipping into the middle ages and it really scares me.
Maybe not as far back as the middle ages but certainly back to a 1940 way of thinking and behaving...
(https://i.postimg.cc/cJ443CfV/V-Nazi2.jpg)
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Agree with you 90%.
During last several months Ukraine is attacking Russian cities with missiles and drones (which are not Ukrainian made). Of course, this is nothing compared to what Russia is doing in Ukraine. I'm afraid it will get worse, and it will be more casualties from both sides. Putin does not pity not only the civilian population of Ukraine, he does not pity the inhabitants of Russia either. So if it isn't war yet, it will be sooner or later.
It's not a war, it's an invasion.
Ukraine will never bomb Moscow or St Petersburg, can you imagine Red square being bombed? I doubt it will ever be a war.
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Dmitry, news reports here in the United States are very biased and not trustworthy. It's been this way for many years now.
I look to first-hand reports from you and others to gauge what is really happening in Russia and Ukraine.
Dmitry, you only recently left Russia but you still have family there and so I still count you as a source of first-hand information.
Dmitry, I have to second Barry on both these counts. I haven't trusted the U.S. news media for quite some time now. It's hard to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak, if one isn't getting the real story.
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Ukraine will never bomb Moscow or St Petersburg, can you imagine Red square being bombed?
No, I can't. I
An year ago I couldn't imagine that Russia invades Ukraine and starts shelling towns in Ukraine and kill people.
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Dmitry, I have to second Barry on both these counts. I haven't trusted the U.S. news media for quite some time now. It's hard to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak, if one isn't getting the real story.
I see.
In the 90s there was freedom in Russia and there were many independent media. It was interesting to live before Putin.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63987113 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63987113)
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Dmitry, I have to second Barry on both these counts. I haven't trusted the U.S. news media for quite some time now. It's hard to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak, if one isn't getting the real story.
I too don't trust the US news, let's face it it's either left or right.
I go to the BBC for world news. They're not owned by Murdoch, or the advertisers. They are funded by a TV license.
Their website is excellent. Lots of podcasts. Plenty of Beatle stuff etc. (bonus)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60525350 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60525350)
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Dmitry, please translate the Russian in my last post. I can understand the German.
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Dmitry, please translate the Russian in my last post. I can understand the German.
Barry, I feel confused. I don't get you. 2ch
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Barry, I feel confused. I don't get you. 2ch
Dmitry, I was referring to this picture I posted...
(https://i.postimg.cc/cJ443CfV/V-Nazi2.jpg)
What does the sign say under the V in front of the ministry building and what does the caption say?
I understand the German in the lower part of the picture.
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Dmitry, I was referring to this picture I posted...
([url]https://i.postimg.cc/cJ443CfV/V-Nazi2.jpg[/url])
What does the sign say under the V in front of the ministry building and what does the caption say?
I understand the German in the lower part of the picture.
I see now. I just don't see the picture. I turn on VPN and it didn't help.
I see the URL though, while edit or quote your message.
So now I downloaded picture through another website.
The Russian text says: Power is in the truth
`in' in Russian is `в' and it sounds like `v', not [vee] but [v] without vowels.
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"The Ministry of Peace concerns itself with war, the Ministry of Truth with lies, the Ministry of Love with torture and the Ministry of Plenty with starvation.
These contradictions are not accidental, nor do they result from ordinary hypocrisy: they are deliberate exercises in doublethink." - George Orwell.