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[Nelson_Wilbury]

Good info. Thank you.

A new topic...

What about The Beatles and the football?

[Oasis]

I read somewhere that John was a Liverpool F.C. fan and that he even dreamt about becoming a professional footballer but soon realized that he isn't talented for it. It was Lennon's idea to put Albert Stubbins, a legend of Liverpool FC on the cover of Sergeant Pepper. Macca's supporting was discussed several times already. His father was supporting Everton F.C. (also a club in Liverpool), but he said that he supports both Everton and Liverpool. But if it comes to a derby between the 2 teams he supports Everton.
Ringo was a fan of Arsenal (a club in London). I think he was actually registered as an official fan. I don't know about George though.

Overall I believe they weren't huge football fans.

Some sources to make it more convincing

"Here's the deal: my father was born in Everton, my family are officially Evertonians, so if it comes down to a derby match or an FA Cup final between the two, I would have to support Everton.
"But after a concert at Wembley Arena I got a bit of a friendship with Kenny Dalglish, who had been to the gig and I thought 'You know what? I am just going to support them both because it's all Liverpool and I don't have that Catholic-Protestant thing.
"So I did have to get special dispensation from the Pope to do this but that's it, too bad. I support them both.
"They are both great teams.
"But if it comes to the crunch, I'm Evertonian." Macca
http://www.evertonbanter.co.uk/2008/07/sir-paul-mccartneys-everton-se.html

As a proud support of Manchester United football club I have to add the lyrics of Dig It.
Like a rolling stone
A like a rolling stone
Like the FBI and the CIA
And the BBC--BB King
And Doris Day
Matt Busby
Dig it, dig it, dig it

Matt Busby is a legend, a former manager of Man United (Liverpool's biggest rivals). The song Dig it is featured on Let It Be and credited to the whole Fab 4. Although Busby if one of the biggest legends Man United he was much more than this. In the Sixties he was a major icon of British football which is probably the reason why he is mentioned in the song. It has nothing to do with the Beatles supporting Man United.

*Oh and that picture that you posted is believed to be the 52 FA Cup Final between Arsenal and Newcastle. (The former won 1:0)

[peterbell1]

Hi
Nowt to do with The Beatles, but Newcastle won the 1952 cup final, not Arsenal !

[Nelson_Wilbury]

Good information!!!

Looking the blog where I post the picture of "Walls and bridges" I found a great article, that I post now

"Every so often, on my perambulations around the footballing part of the internet, I come across a discussion of the Beatles and football: they were Scousers, in their sly way, after all. Were they Liverpool fans? Old Evertonians? Was the Walrus really Dave Hickson? Etc.

The story that usually emerges is that none of the Beatles (George Best included) was particularly devoted to football. There are anecdotes about Paul McCartney listening to FA Cup finals while drifting on his yacht in the Caribbean, but they all have a funny-hats, drinks-with-umbrellas, let's-make-a-day-of-it sort of ambiance. The best evidence of this is that the stories vary depending on which former intimate friend of Pete Best is being interviewed: there's the red-and-white scarf in Help!, but Paul's second cousin was a legend at Goodison, man. "There are three teams in Liverpool, and I prefer the other one," George Harrison once said. Still, it can't hurt to sort through the evidence.


The most plausible scenario has Paul leaning toward Everton—there's a lot of family history tilting in that direction, and he went to the '68 Cup final—but taking up an interest in Liverpool right around the time that Liverpool happened to become good. It pains me to say it, or actually, it doesn't pain me to say it, because the man wrote "Eleanor Rigby," and all your strenuous "fan ethics" didn't even write "Medicine Jar." Anyway, Linda used to tell stories of the family sitting back and watching Liverpool eat European Cups fresh off the vine on TV. Paul always had a nose for success.

John, as a boy, probably leaned toward Liverpool. His dad was a fan; and he name-checks Matt Busby (tenuously a Liverpool man in the late '30s) on "Dig It"; and he was apparently responsible for the wax Albert Stubbins on the cover of Sergeant Pepper. But no one believes that he cared very much.

Like Ray Davies of the Kinks, Ringo was an Arsenal fan in his youth, largely because his Londoner stepfather only took him to Arsenal matches. Ringo's sons, however, now have season tickets at Anfield, so it's really anyone's guess. And the same with George, whose interest in football seems to have waned once he'd finished mining the terrain for his Cla**ic Beatles Quip. Turn left at Greenland!

John Lennon Bonus Coverage: The Walls and Bridges Cover

Every discussion of the Beatles and football notes that the cover of John Lennon's 1974 album Walls and Bridges shows a picture of a football match that Lennon painted at age 11. To the scholarly football fan it's probably obvious what the painting depicts, but I've never seen it stated online, and the Lennon biographies say only that it's a painting of "football" (okay, thanks). So I thought I'd jot this down, just so the facts were represented somewhere on…the internet.

Here's the cover. What's it all about?



Almost certainly: the 1952 FA Cup final between Arsenal and Newcastle, which Newcastle won 1-0.

The kits are not mysterious, and we can confirm them on Historical Football Kits:



l-r: Arsenal and Newcastle, 1952

The Arsenal kit in Lennon's painting shows a white badge or crest on the chest that isn't represented on the historical kit above, or in Arsenal's 1951-52 squad photo:



But it is represented in photos of Arsenal in the Cup final, suggesting that it may have been added specially to mark the occasion:



In addition to the crest, the date of the painting comes in strongly for the Cup final theory. Lennon dated the painting June 1952, which was just a month after the match took place. The Cup final was the last match he could have seen—or seen a picture of—before he took out his watercolor kit.

Speaking of pictures, here's one from the game that's not too far removed from the action on Lennon's painting.



More John Lennon Bonus Coverage: Revolution #9

The significance of the painting for the adult Lennon was probably that the Newcastle footballer with his back to us is wearing the #9 shirt, and Lennon had a thing for the number nine: "Revolution 9," "The One After 909," and "#9 Dream," which was on Walls and Bridges, in fact. It's probably just a coincidence that Newcastle's #9 in 1952 was Jackie Milburn, "Wor Jackie," one of Newcastle's greatest players, who scored 177 goals for the club between 1943 and 1957. Still, it's a neat coincidence, especially for a history-loving football fan who really likes Walls and Bridges. (I am that person. That's me.) It's Jackie Milburn who's getting his header stopped in the photo above, incidentally.

Is it possible that the young John Lennon cared more about football than anyone has realized? He painted a picture of one of the great English footballers of his era in an FA Cup final that didn't include Liverpool, and took care to get every detail of the kits right, down to Arsenal's long collar points.

Also: why wasn't the internet able to tell me that Jackie Milburn was on the cover of a John Lennon solo album? Isn't that the whole point of the internet? Will you please go tell Wikipedia?"

Source: www.runofplay.com

[Oasis]

Hi
Nowt to do with The Beatles, but Newcastle won the 1952 cup final, not Arsenal !

Oh yeah you're right, my mistake Newcaslte won it.

[peterbell1]

As a Newcastle fan and a Beatles fan I'm pleased to discover that Walls and Bridges features Newcastle's Jackie Milburn on the cover.
I've looked at that cover loads of times but it never crossed my mind who is featured in the painting.
Now that it has been pointed out, it seems totally obvious - I can't believe I didn't think of it before!
Jackie Milburn died on October 9th - spooky.

One other link between John and Newcastle - Albert Stubbins, who John asked to be included on the Pepper cover, was a Newcastle player before he left for Liverpool.

[Oasis]

As a Newcastle fan and a Beatles fan I'm pleased to discover that Walls and Bridges features Newcastle's Jackie Milburn on the cover.
I've looked at that cover loads of times but it never crossed my mind who is featured in the painting.
Now that it has been pointed out, it seems totally obvious - I can't believe I didn't think of it before!
Jackie Milburn died on October 9th - spooky.

One other link between John and Newcastle - Albert Stubbins, who John asked to be included on the Pepper cover, was a Newcastle player before he left for Liverpool.

Maybe John was secretly supporting Magpies 

[Nelson_Wilbury]

References on the Beatles (and solo) carreer

The Beatles - Flying / Blue Jay Way

Look at 4:09 and 4:59 (Very very bad, players!!!)

[Nelson_Wilbury]

James Paul McCartney (TV special)

033 Mary Had a Little Lamb - PAUL McCARTNEY & WINGS

Look from 2:58

[Nelson_Wilbury]

More references

In the Help! movie

Help! The Movie (1965) Part 7

Look at 6:45 (English friends, which stadium is that?)

Help! The Movie (1965) Part 9

Look at 0:48 (John being Ringo!!!)

[Oasis]

Oh gosh! Those clips made me wanna watch Help! right now

And that clip from Help! is 1962 FA Cup Final between Burnley and Tottenham Hotspur. The stadium is Wembley (London) 

[Nelson_Wilbury]

Oh gosh! Those clips made me wanna watch Help! right now

And that clip from Help! is 1962 FA Cup Final between Burnley and Tottenham Hotspur. The stadium is Wembley (London) 

Thank you, Oasis!
One date more to archive

[Nelson_Wilbury]

RED AND BLUE ALBUMS





The colours of the covers are a tribute to the biggest teams in the City:

Liverpool & Everton