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[BeatleFan]

It made me smile yesterday when the receptionist at the chiropractor's office described her 11 year old daughter's obsession with The Beatles. We started talking about music and the conversation wound up there. It's good to think that they will go on.

The reaction to their music is the same, no matter the generation. Once you get the Beatle bug, you become obsessed.

[KelMar]

The reaction to their music is the same, no matter the generation. Once you get the Beatle bug, you become obsessed.

Yep, I'm living proof of that!

[BeatleFan]

Yep, I'm living proof of that!

Yep. The Beatles are a universe all to themselves. The music is timeless. I love watching the movies and interviews. Analysing and enjoying all their different personalities. There's a lot to explore. And they take us back to a more innocent time. The Beatles are a powerful nostalgic trip that just never gets old.

[fanofthefab4]

Hi, Schoolgirl. As a longtime Beatles fan and the mother of a daughter who has been a Directioner for over two years, I can't think of any similarities between the bands other than that they were at one point both were considered "boy bands." I can, however, think of several differences. The Beatles wrote their own songs; One Direction does not. The Beatles each played an instrument; One Direction members do not. (I know Niall Horan occasionally plays some guitar, but it's so minimal that in my opinion it doesn't really count.) The Beatles were friends who worked their way up through club performances for years; the members of One Direction did not know one another until they were put together as a band by Simon Cowell. Also, each member of One Direction sings just one line or two of each song, whereas -- other than backing vocals and harmonies -- one or two Beatles sings an entire song (i.e., they don't take turns singing lines).

Just thought of one more similarity: Most fans of both groups seem to have one favorite member, at least, in the Beatles' early days that was the case, from what I've read.

Good luck with your project! 

The only''similarity'' between The Beatles and any true boy band is only screaming teen girl fans,but as Roger Daltry said in his 2007 interview in The Sun,when he was asked if The Who had screaming teen girls,he said after Can't Explain they did,and that every band had them on their way up. 

 The Beatles were *never* a ''boy band''! As a poster Reverend Rock,who is a rock musician,reverend and a big Beatles fan said on a classic rock site years ago,that anyone who knows The Beatles history knows it's ludicrous to even *suggest* such a thing!
 
 

The Monkees didn't even start off as a genuine band, they were all musical but they were originally hired as actors to play members of a TV pop rock band for their TV show, they didn't start off playing together like Paul at age 15,George age 14 and John age 16 playing guitars and singing,then playing a few years later for 8 hours a night in sleazy strip clubs like The Beatles did in Hamburg Germany(or anywhere) for 2 years in a row,taking speed pills to stay awake to do it,and working their a*ses off playing as a real rock n roll band,and then playing successfully in the Cavern club as a real rock n roll band for years by the time they made it big.
 
 

 And The Beatles wrote and played a lot of great rock n roll and pop rock songs in their early days. John and Paul wrote the rock n roll song I Wanna Be Your Man write in front of Keith Richards and Mick Jagger in 1963 and they were both really impressed that they could just write a song just like that,and it inspired them to start writing their own songs and both bands became good friends from then on. And this song was one of The Rolling Stones first hits.
 

 
There is just no comparison to The Monkees etc. A  guy so accurately said on a message board many years ago when some idiots called them a ''boy band'' that The Beatles were *never* a boy band,not even during their 1963-1965 period. And another guy said a few years after this on another forum,when some idiot said this,that he too once thought the early Beatles were a boy band like NYSNC,or The Back Street Boys,until he got out of 7th grade.
 
 
 
And younger people don't know what type of music was out in 1963,even though I wasn't born yet,I know that The Beatles early songs like She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand were hard rock compared to the music out then.There was just Bobby Darin,The Four Seasons,Bobby Vinton and The Beach Boys surfing hits.

[fanofthefab4]

Hi, Schoolgirl. As a longtime Beatles fan and the mother of a daughter who has been a Directioner for over two years, I can't think of any similarities between the bands other than that they were at one point both were considered "boy bands." I can, however, think of several differences. The Beatles wrote their own songs; One Direction does not. The Beatles each played an instrument; One Direction members do not. (I know Niall Horan occasionally plays some guitar, but it's so minimal that in my opinion it doesn't really count.) The Beatles were friends who worked their way up through club performances for years; the members of One Direction did not know one another until they were put together as a band by Simon Cowell. Also, each member of One Direction sings just one line or two of each song, whereas -- other than backing vocals and harmonies -- one or two Beatles sings an entire song (i.e., they don't take turns singing lines).

Just thought of one more similarity: Most fans of both groups seem to have one favorite member, at least, in the Beatles' early days that was the case, from what I've read.

Good luck with your project! 





As a guy said recently on a stupid article where the woman who wrote this article about this stupid,uncool,not too talented boy band One Direction,The Beatles were not called this when they were active.He's totally right,The Beatles were a great rock n roll,rock and pop rock band in their early days and that is what they were rightfully widely considered as!



Here is a very good educational you tube video by MeanMr Mayo who is a member of The  Beatles fan site,Abbryd debunking this stupid,ridiculous,ludicrous myth that The Beatles were ever a boy band.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmVlDCm5NOU" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmVlDCm5NOU</a>

[fanofthefab4]

Here is my recent  blog with a lot of great important information debunking this totally,inaccurate,stupid,ludicrous,ignorant  myth that The Beatles were ever a stupid,uncool,untalented boy band.


https://wordpress.com/posts/thebeatleswereneveraboybandtheywerealwaysagreatrocknrollpoprock.wordpress.com

[fanofthefab4]

Giles Martin,George Martin's son  who recently remastered The Beatles 1964 and 1965 Live At The Hollywood Bowl concerts  rightfully says on All Songs Considered  when people ask him if The Beatles were a good live band,he says they were a great live band and he mentions the very limited,primitive sound  systems they had back then,and says how great The Beatles played live in the studio on their first  3  or  4 albums,and that they all played their instruments very good.



He obviously means they played these first several albums live because they didn't even have any overdubbing until 1965 so they had to play and record those albums live.And their first albums before the great A Hard Day's Night album were recorded on only 2 track tape,they had 4 track by A Hard Day's Night and only 8 track for The White album,Let It Be and Abbey Road.


http://www.npr.org/sections/allsongs/2016/08/25/491201322/all-songs-1-the-beatles-are-live-and-sounding-better-than-ever

[fanofthefab4]

In this All Music Guide review of The Beatles  1963 album,With The Beatles Stephen Thomas Erlewine  says at the end of the very good review  that still the heart of With The Beatles lies not in the covers but the originals  where it was clear that  even at this early stage The Beatles were rapidly maturing and changing turning into expert craftsman and musical innovators.


http://www.allmusic.com/album/with-the-beatles-mw0000192941

[fanofthefab4]

From Me To You,and especially She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand were praised by some music critics even from the beginning,like William Mann of The London Times in December 1963 pointed out their interesting unusual chords and arrangements and London Times music critic Richard Buckle also in late 1963 called John and Paul the greatest composers since Beethoven after they wrote the music for a play Mods and Rockers.Bob Dylan ,Roger McGuinn of The Byrds as early as 1963 and 1964 pointed out that even in early Beatles songs like She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand had unusual and interesting chords and they arranged them.


 
Here in this article about The Beatles chords,Bob Dylan is quoted saying what he thought in 1964 about The early Beatles music,he said that they were doing things nobody was doing and that their chords were outrageous,just outrageous and their harmonies made it all valid.


http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/VOLUME03/Words_and_chords.shtml
 
 

Here in Rolling Stone Magazine's 100 Greatest Song Writers Bob Dylan is number 1,Paul McCartney is number 2, and John Lennon is number 3, Bob Dylan is quoted about a car trip when he heard a lot of Beatles songs on the radio, he said they were doing things and that he knew they were pointing the direction where music had to go.


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-songwriters#john-lennon
 
 
Roger McGuinn has said that he started to play a 12 string guitar after he saw and heard George Harrison playing in in the A Hard Day's Night movie.
 

And John and Paul wrote one of The Rolling Stones first hits the rock n roll song, I Wanna Be Your Man in late 1963 right in front of them. And Keith Richards and Mick Jagger were impressed and said wow,how can you write a song just like that and it inspired them to start writing their own songs.
 
 

John Lennon and Paul McCartney were such amazingly talented singer song writers that they were already writing hit songs for other artists as early as 1963 when their own song writing success was getting off the ground,besides The Rolling Stones,they also wrote hit songs in 1963 for Billy J.Krammer and The Dakatos,Celia Black,and Peter and Gordon etc.
 

 
Paul wrote his first song at age 14 and was playing guitar,John wrote heavy deep poetry but didn't start writing songs until he met Paul and was impressed that he wrote his own songs,and he too started to write his own songs at age 16,and they wrote together and never stopped from then on. Paul wrote the very pretty song I'll Follow The Sun at only 16.Even when The Beatles first came to America in February 1964 many people said how rare it was for *adult* rock n roll bands and solo artists to write their own songs,and Paul and John were already doing this as teenagers in the mid 1950's.
 


And even though I wasn't born yet in 1963 I know what type of music was popular on the radio,non rock n roll songs like Bobby Vinton,The Four Seasons,Bobby Darin and The Beach Boys surfing hits,The early Beatles songs like She Loves You, I Want To Hold Your Hand and I Saw Her Standing there etc were hard rock for 1963 and ahead of their time.

[Hello Goodbye]

Cotton Crop Blues


http://youtu.be/YAqTrbuxCRI
James Cotton   1954

[fanofthefab4]

As The All Music Guide says in their excellent Beatles biography "That it's difficult to summarize their career without restating cliches that have already been digested by tens of millions of rock fans, to start with the obvious,they were the greatest and most influential act of the rock era and introduced more innovations into popular music than any other rock band of the 20th century."
 


"Moreover they were among the few artists of *any* discipline that were simultaneously the best at what they did *and* the most popular at what they did." They also say as singers John Lennon and Paul McCartney were among the best and most expressive in rock.

 

Also on an excellent site,The Evolution of Rock Bass Playing McCartney Style by Dennnis Alstrand,Stanley Clarke,Sting,Will Lee,Billy Sheehan,George Martin and John Lennon are quoted saying what a great,melodic and influential bass player Paul has always been.
 
 

http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/paulbass.htm

 

And Wilco's John Stirratt was asked in Bass Player which bass players have had the most impact on his playing and the first thing he said was, Paul McCartney is one of the greatest bass players of all time,if you listen to what he was tracking live in the studio it's unbelievable." "With his tone and musicality he was a huge influence,he covered all of his harmonic responsibilities really well but his baselines were absolutely melodic and inventive."


 
http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/15716769/windy-city-wingman-john-stirratt-lays-roots-wilco

 
 
In this 2010 interview the blogger says that John Stirratt has an affinity for good melodies so it's not surprising that Paul McCartney is one of his musical icons and then he quotes him saying that he's always absolutely in awe of his playing,including Paul's Beatles years.


http://audreeanne.blogspot.com/2010/02/interview-wilcos-john-stirratt-talk.htm
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And in an online 1977 Eric Clapton interview,Eric Clapton In His Own Words he says that there was always this game between John and George,and he said partly because John was a pretty good guitar player himself   http://www.superseventies.com/ssericclapton.html .

He played live with John as a member of John's 1969 Plastic Ono Band.



And there is a great online article by musician and song writer Peter Cross,The Beatles Are The Most Creative Band Of All Time and he says that many musicians besides him recognize Paul as one of the best bass guitar players ever.He too says that John and Paul are the greatest song composers and that to say that John and Paul are among 2 of the greatest singers in rock and roll is to state the obvious,and that John,Paul and George were all excellent guitarists and that George is underrated by people not educated about music but that Eric Clapton knew better,he also says that both John and Paul played great leads as well as innovative rhythm tracks.



John Lennon co-wrote,sang and played guitar on one of David Bowie's first hits Fame in 1975 and David invited John to play guitar on his version of John's beautiful Beatles song Across The Universe.Brain May,Ozzy Osbourne,and Liam Gallagher and many more call The Beatles The Greatest Band Ever.'
 

 
http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Beatles-are-the-Most-Creative-Band-of-All-Time&id=222245


 
Also on MusicRadar Tom Petty,Joe Perry and Richie Sambora in What The Beatles Mean To Me all say how cool and great they thought The Beatles were when they first saw them on The Ed Sullivan Show in February 1964 when they were just teen boys,Richie was only 5.Tom Petty said he thought they were really really great.



Robin Zander of Cheap Trick said he's probably one of the biggest Beatles fans on the planet.Brad Whitford of Aerosmith said that a lot of that Beatles influence comes from Steven Tyler's collaborartion with Mark Hudson both whom are absolute Beatles freaks and he said I guess the goal is to try and emulate probably some of the best music of the last 50 years which has to be The Beatles.
 
 
 
 
 

[fanofthefab4]

Also in an excellent Beatles book  Ticket To Ride by Denny Somach where so many other well known popular respected rock musicians and artists are interviewed about The Beatles praising them including Jimmy Page,Brian Wilson who says he's always loved The Beatles. And  Brian Wilson called John & Paul the greatest song writers of the 20th century on a 1995 Nightline Beatles tribute show,(which had on music artists from every type of music,a young black jazz musician,a middle aged black opera singer,Steve Winwood,Meatloaf,and classical violinist Isak Perleman,who said he plays his children Bach,Beethoven Mozart and The Beatles)and he played With A Little Help From My Friends on the piano and he said he just loves this song. He also said that Sgt.Pepper is the greatest album he ever heard and The All Music Guide says in their Beach Boys biography,that Brian had a nervous breakdown after he heard it. Brian also said that when he first heard The Beatles brilliant 1965 folk rock album Rubber Soul he was blown away by it.He said all of the songs flowed together and it was pop music but folk rock at the same time and  he couldn't believe they did this so great,this inspired him to make Pet Sounds.
 
 

 
John Lodge and Justin of The Moody Blues  are interviewed in this book and Bill Wyman and Ron Wood  says how The Rolling Stones became good friends with The Beatles in 1963 after John and Paul wrote 1 of their first hits,the Rock n Roll song,I Wanna Be You're Man.
 


 
Ron Wood was asked what his favorite Beatles songs and he said there are so many apart from the obvious like Strawberry Fields  I Want To Hold Your Hand  is one he said he used to like a lot ,and he said he really loved We Can Work It Out.He also says that The Beatles used to have a radio show every Friday where they played live and spoke and he would never miss an episode. He said in fact whoever has the rights to those shows should dig them up,because they are incredible.
 



Justin Hayward says  that the album he always really loved ,and he said it was when they started experimenting with chord structures ,was A Hard Day's Night.He says they began to move away from the standard  3 chord thing and just went into more interesting structures .He said A Hard Day's Night was the album for him and their song If I Fell was the song.He said it started in a different key to how it ended up,and it's a beautifully worked out song and that there are some songs on that album that were very emotional and evocative. He said that for everybody just starting to write songs as he was,it was a real turn on and eye opener.

[fanofthefab4]

Not only is this so ignorant,ridiculous,and false on a creative and musical level,but on their personal level too.  I  guarantee true genuine boy bands don't have groupies.
 

 
The Beatles had sex with *tons* of young women groupies,many who were just teen girls especially during their touring years of 1963-1966 ironically they did this the most during the joke fake cleaned up image Brian Epstein created for them in their early days.In reality they were like pimps playing the part of priests! It's no coincidence that in The Beatles Anthology video series that Paul,George and Ringo made,the story that is reported of The Beatles being thrown out of a US hotel in August 1965 because Paul was found in his hotel bedroom with an underage girl, that is included in the first great Beatles documentary from 1982 The Complete Beatles which none of them had any involvement making,is completely left out of The Beatles Anthology.

 
 
Paul McCartney also said in Hunter Davies 1968 first edition of the only authorized Beatles biography called,The Beatles, that he had sex at age 15 with a girl who was older and bigger than him,and most 15 year old boys weren't having sex in 1957,and he said he bragged about it to his classmates the next day and that he was the first one in his class to have sex.Paul also said in this book,that he would go into strip clubs at only 13 and he was the lad in his class that drew nude women.He also got another girl who was his girl friend,pregnant when he was 17 and she was 16,and Paul's father and her parents wanted them to get married but she had a miscarriage.
 


Hunter Davies says in his 1985 update of his Beatles biography, that The Beatles were no different from any other rock band when it came to groupies and he said they just had more to chose from. He said it was up to the road manager to say to these young women,you,you and you 5 minutes later which is really sexist and disgusting but it's totally typical for every rock band which is what they always were.
 

[fanofthefab4]

I  really didn't want to link to this article because unfortunately it says it appeared in Penthouse, the sexist,woman-hating,degrading and violent pornographic magazine in 1984,but I can't find the full interview anywhere else.


This is a great interview with John Lennon and Yoko Ono at The St.Regis Hotel  in September 1971. And  Yoko was asked if she knew about what really went on during The Beatles tours,and she says she had thought that he's an artist I'm sure he has had a few affairs, and  she said she was really shocked and she said Oh God! when John told her the whole story about what he called all of the raving that went on their tours,Yoko said she had never heard the word groupie before.And Yoko was no innocent either,John was her third husband,she had a daughter with her second husband,and she had quite a few affairs and even abortions in the 1960's.


John is also asked if playing 8 hours a night from 1960-1962 as The Beatles did in Hamburg Germany improved their playing and he said oh absolutely because before that they had only played bits and pieces but in hamburg they played for hours and hours and that's how they developed their rock n roll sound and playing.He also mentions how they took (meaning speed pills) to stay awake playing so long.


http://www.beatlesinterviews.org/db1971.0905.beatles.html

[Hello Goodbye]

Where Or When


http://youtu.be/GGVx3l93uyU
Frank Sinatra   1950

[fanofthefab4]

Where Or when


http://youtu.be/GGVx3l93uyU
Frank sinatra   1950

What is the point of what you are posting? I recently had  several guys who are Beatles fans on The Today Show's youtube channel about Ron Howard's new Beatles documentary Eight Days A Week say back to me,what planet am I on saying that many people misperceive The Beatles as a boy band,they didn't believe me and said they never heard this and that most people they have known call The Beatles The greatest *rock band ever*. I posted MeanMrMayo's great youtube video debunking this,and I told them to just type in google or any search engine The Beatles are or were a boy band,or were the first boy band,and you will find *tons* of people saying this and I said even more unbelievably some fans on Beatles fan forums have called the early Beatles this too.

[fanofthefab4]

This 1999 review of Mark Lewisohn's excellent Beatles studio diary book where many of The Beatles recording engineers and tape operators and their producer George Martin are interviewed (and it shows how truly innovative,brilliant and creative especially John and Paul were in the recording studio),The Beatles Recording Sessions titled, Behind The Creative Genius Of A Groundbreaking Band by a musician himself says it all, he says that as a musician he found Mark Lewisohn's portrayal of The Beatles genius and in parenthesis he says, especially that of John Lennon and Paul McCartney, to be completely thorough and accurate, as well as insightful. He then says if you are to buy any one Beatles book,buy this one.
 

 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R3EHW182TIHFQ2/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1454910054
 
 
 
And this reviewer RAS who became a big Beatles fan after he read The Beatles Recording Sessions book,said,I think The Beatles ARE BRILLIANT and he said he despairs what his life would be like without The Beatles!! He said that when he first saw this book,he said Oh another garbage Beatles book.
 
 
http://www.amazon.com/The-Complete-Beatles-Recording-Sessions/product-reviews/1454910054/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_paging_btm_2?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=helpful&pageNumber=2
 
 
 
 
 

 
 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 

[Hello Goodbye]

What is the point of what you are posting?

The point I was making is that we heard all this from you just a few weeks ago. 

What set you off this time?

[fanofthefab4]

You ''heard'' all of this'' from me a few weeks ago? Well ''this'' that is strong great important information debunking this inaccurate,stupid,ridiculous myth, and I really shouldn't even have to do this,even more so on a Beatles forum,which you for some strange reasons don't want to recognize,(and as a Beatles fan and moderator of a great Beatles fan site it's even more incomprehensible) that The Beatles *WERE NEVER AN UNCOOL,UNTALENTED STUPID,''BOY BAND*''! You really should join the many ignorant Beatles haters who ignorantly believe this! Your on the *wrong* forum!

[Hello Goodbye]

You really should join the many ignorant Beatles haters who ignorantly believe this!

I don't mind your rants, but I won't tolerate your insults.