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Re: McCartney vs. RAM
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2005, 11:06:25 AM »

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Finally (if you're still reading): Paul doesn't do most of his solo songs live. He has a little group (most from the 70s) that he repeats in concerts, but most of his vast repertoire he ignores! He does songs from when he wrote brilliantly - with the Beatles. Could it be that Paul finds most of his solo output too weak, and best left to quietly disappear? I think so!


Oh Ydoll! He has only just started performing many Beatle tunes again in his last tour.
Now I'm not quite sure , had he not gigged for a long time before that?
Also, when he did, it was with Wings?
Basically, he is re-visiting that material which I agree is far better than most his solo efforts. This is something recent. Not something he's always done.
Also, to put on a 2/3 hr show, he would still be leaving out many, many works. Thats just another indication of the mans prolific writing.

The man is in his twilight performing his best works......So why weave this negativeness out of it?
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Re: McCartney vs. RAM
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2005, 11:23:47 AM »

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(1) I don't hate Paul. But I don't adore him either. Look on me as the necessary antidote to the gushing praise of the Paulie People.

No. Your the venom!

(2) This IS a very cliquey forum, with people ganging up on others.
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Re: McCartney vs. RAM
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2005, 02:26:17 PM »

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(1) I don't hate Paul. But I don't adore him either. Look on me as the necessary antidote to the gushing praise of the Paulie People.

The only problem with this is that its always ONLY Paul that you want to be the antidote for. Why do you never comment on the other lads solo efforts? Johns tunes that were almost always so negative minded that after listening to a few of them, I almost feel as if I want to tell him to just get over it already because he didnt have it all that bad. Or maybe George's career that was filled with so many forgetful tunes and albums that even the greatest of Beatle fans would have to dig into their collection to just remember what song somebody might have been refering to. Or Ringo's career,,,,,,well, i'll just leave Ringo alone. We never see you comment on the other three. If you did or do, it would somehow come back to Paul one way or the other.

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2) This IS a very cliquey forum, with people ganging up on others.

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Re: McCartney vs. RAM
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2005, 08:10:10 PM »

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Oh Ydoll! He has only just started performing many Beatle tunes again in his last tour.
Now I'm not quite sure , had he not gigged for a long time before that?
Also, when he did, it was with Wings?
Basically, he is re-visiting that material which I agree is far better than most his solo efforts. This is something recent. Not something he's always done.
Also, to put on a 2/3 hr show, he would still be leaving out many, many works. Thats just another indication of the mans prolific writing.

The man is in his twilight performing his best works......So why weave this negativeness out of it?

No, he has performed Beatle stuff from the 76 Wings Over America tour. He started off touring in 72 as Wings, saying he would not play Beatle songs. But over the decades the proportion of Beatle songs has grown and grown.
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Re: McCartney vs. RAM
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2005, 08:13:15 PM »

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Stop playing the victim if you don't care.

I don't think I'm quite playing the victim here!! Gee, people talk nonsense sometimes.
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Re: McCartney vs. RAM
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2005, 08:15:31 PM »

To all who think I bash Paul too much, and leave the others alone:

It's because there's so many here who gush over and praise Paul McCartney! Like I said, I'm the antidote to that.

You know, it IS a public forum ...
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Re: McCartney vs. RAM
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2005, 09:29:32 PM »

The self acclaimed antidote...Well done. Round of applause for your hard efforts.  ::)
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Re: McCartney vs. RAM
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2005, 11:13:38 PM »

He incorporated quite a few numbers from "Flowers In The Dirt" on the '89-'90 tour. He did a few from 'Off The Ground' on the '93 tour as well. Did some from 'Driving Rain', so I don't know where the notion that he doesn't incorporate new material comes from. How much time can you possibly devote to new material when your catalogue is 40+ years worth, most of it gems? Yet he still will toss a few out.
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Re: McCartney vs. RAM
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2005, 11:23:44 PM »

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To all who think I bash Paul too much, and leave the others alone:

It's because there's so many here who gush over and praise Paul McCartney! Like I said, I'm the antidote to that.

You know, it IS a public forum ...

Youre right.  If theres one thing I cant stand its the countless "Gee golly whizbangers isnt ALL of Pauls post-beatle work SUPERB?!!"  Thank god i have someone who can see throught the bullsh*t for me
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Re: McCartney vs. RAM
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2005, 12:42:49 AM »

^Well I don't think I ever said that.

Ydoll has finally admitted that he does bash on about Paul all the time.

It's just so boring to read about. I happen to like THE BEATLES. It's mainly a BEATLE forum. I get pis*ed off with someone constantly berating a BEATLE. Simple. Dos'nt make me a MACCA Gusher or whatever you want to label it.

I'm glad you got someone to see for you. Can't you see it yourself?

This place sure ain't capturing the spirit or enjoyment of The Beatles with cr ap debates like this. So pointless!
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Re: McCartney vs. RAM
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2005, 12:53:54 AM »

I don't think there's one single forum member that praises all of Maccas solo work.
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Re: McCartney vs. RAM
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2005, 03:20:44 AM »

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Youre right.
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Re: McCartney vs. RAM
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2005, 04:51:51 AM »

I think I sense some sarcasm in Sunnys reply. I'm one of the biggest Paul fans on this board, but even I admit he's released some sh1t over the years.

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Re: McCartney vs. RAM
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2005, 06:03:21 AM »

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I don't think there's one single forum member that praises all of Maccas solo work.

I do.............but I just pretend that someone else wrote all of the bad stuff.  ;D
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Re: McCartney vs. RAM
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2005, 07:16:37 AM »

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Ydoll has finally admitted that he does bash on about Paul all the time.

And that's what I really hate: people saying what just ain't so. I do bash the poor sap, but not all the time. Go and read - for example - my first post in this thread, which set Tkitna off. I think most fair-minded people would find it fairly supportive of Paul. Not totally - but, as I say, fairly supportive.

I have also praised his work with the Beatles (up to AR and LIB). So don't come that "bash Paul all the time" stuff, ta very much!

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It's just so boring to read about. I happen to like THE BEATLES. It's mainly a BEATLE forum. I get pis*ed off with someone constantly berating a BEATLE. Simple. Dos'nt make me a MACCA Gusher or whatever you want to label it.

If it's so boring, stop reading it. I don't touch all those stupid games here, as they bore me to sobs. Do the same, man.

And ah ... I hate to tell you this, but this thread is in the PAUL section of this forum. A quite natural place to discuss Paul!

And no need to get p*ssed at me berating a Beatle. Paul ain't untouchable. I happen to think most of his solo work is a betrayal of his great talent. And when it's appropriate, I'll say so. As I say, it IS a PUBLIC forum.


And lastly: I LOVE the Beatles. Group: I have the lot, including all vinyl, and many many boots. All of George's solo, all of John's, all of Paul's up to about 1990, and most since then. All of Ringo's, except a couple of All-Starr albums. But loving them doesn't mean I ignore shortcomings (as I perceive them, of course). So there you go ...
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Re: McCartney vs. RAM
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2005, 09:17:00 AM »

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(2) This IS a very cliquey forum, with people ganging up on others.  But it's only an internet forum, for crying out loud. It's not real life. It is not important. So I don't actually care whether I'm liked or not. You feel good about "belonging", and I couldn't care a jot!

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I don't think I'm quite playing the victim here!! Gee, people talk nonsense sometimes.

But your so ganged up on and hated.....You've so suffered.

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To all who think I bash Paul too much, and leave the others alone:

It's because there's so many here who gush over and praise Paul McCartney! Like I said, I'm the antidote to that.

You know, it IS a public forum ...

So there you go.


Ydoll. You had to give a reason as to why you diss him so much. An admission of your constant Paul bashing. That's what I was referring to.

You don't need it to be a Paul thread to splurt your garb. You've done it on other threads too. You just give a sprinkle of pro Paul comments so you can repeat in vain your so called un-bias. I've just read Tkitna's sum-up of that too, AFTER writing this.

Of course Paul ain't untouchable. Who said that? That ain't saying whats so. Slightly hypocritical Ydoll. You weave and connive your 'proffesional' words into your own righteousness.
I don't have to read this forum, true. Still, when I do, I find that you have managed yet another pointless debate about McCartney. Like it's the only thing about The Beatles you wanna argue about. So I will be the self-acclaimed anti-dote to that. It IS a public forum.
There you go.... MAN.

Sunny, if that was Sarcasm, then I strongly apologise. You got me. ;)
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Re: McCartney vs. RAM
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2005, 08:13:43 PM »

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You had to give a reason as to why you diss him so much. An admission of your constant Paul bashing. That's what I was referring to.

No it wasn't. Here's what you said: Ydoll has finally admitted that he does bash on about Paul all the time.

And I told you I didn't bash on "all the time". Simple as that. You got it wrong. Admit it like a MAN, man!!
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Re: McCartney vs. RAM
« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2005, 05:15:55 AM »

Is that because your so right? Get outta here!

Shall I quote you again?...Here you go man...


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To all who think I bash Paul too much, and leave the others alone:

It's because there's so many here who gush over and praise Paul McCartney! Like I said, I'm the antidote to that.

You know, it IS a public forum ...So there you go.  



Not an admission then?
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Re: McCartney vs. RAM
« Reply #38 on: May 04, 2005, 09:52:36 AM »

I admit to the bashing. The POINT is, you said I admitted to doing it all the time (Ydoll has finally admitted that he does bash on about Paul all the time. )

But I didn't admit to doing it all the time. THAT's the bit I'm objecting to.

So you've got tangled up in the words again, reading what you THINK I've said, instead of what I actually said. So if you don't want to look silly and stumbling, read carefully in future. Man, y'all are just soooo wrong ...

... again!
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Re: McCartney vs. RAM
« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2005, 10:54:45 AM »

All of the time or a lot of the time,,,,,whatever. Its been established that you do indeed bash Paul and seemingly none of the others (or at least not on the same par. Not even close).

Why is the question. Its already apparent you dont care for him, so why continue? We all know how you feel.
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